I think this is one of those cases that we, as civilians (even though I was a dispatcher, i'm still a civilian), need to leave the opinions to the trained LEOs. Civilians DO NOT know enough to be critical of what happened (pro or con). Civilians just do not know enough about the day to day stresses, the training, the use of force matrix, etc to make any kind of educated call on this one.
I'm not trying to say you're not entitled to an opinion, just that in this case it would be a good idea to read and learn from what the LEOs see in this.
dt15... become a police officer, experience something... you are a student .. you have no idea how or what you will do in an emergency... i say shame on you ... those officers will question what they did for the rest of their life.. they do not need some student who (wants to be a cop) telling them what they should or should not have done.. how about you pick another career... i think we need more fire fighters
I think if proper procedures were followed, everyone would have been ok. You dont ever run up on a car after you finally get it to stop. didnt follow procedure
I can not really second guess these officers since I was not there but I can say…
Training Training Training…In a high stress situation such as this we all fall back on training without thinking…By watching this video I can see that these officer do not have the proper training that they so desperately need…We never do a rolling road block on any chase, just not done. We do not run up on someone who mostly has a weapon expressly if you want to go home in the morning. We do not stop beside a vehicle that just ran from us…This situation was handled the PROPER was most likely the shooting would not have happened. I just hope all involved will come out of this ok and I hope who all see this video will learn from the officer’s mistakes in this video and go home at the end of their shift alive and not in a box….
One of the CIA’s former counter-terrorism chiefs and pioneers in covert operations, Roland Carnaby retires.
In the past few months, Mr. Carnaby, who has led a private intelligence firm in Houston, Texas has been delegating more and moredaily responsibilities to his lietenants and is completing his succession planning, say people familiar with the matter. A decision about his departure could come within weeks, though the situation remains fluid, say these people.
Alan Premel, 32 years old, whom CIA recruited in 1997 and whom Carnaby personally recruited in 2002 to work with the private intelligence firm in Houston has emerged as the leading candidate to succeed him, added these people. A spokesperson familiar with the retirement plans stated that Premel and his current worries with the US Senate over allegations and ties to the CIA’s Rendition program and his recent resignation from CIA amid a slew of disclosure cases pulls him out of the race for President and chief of such a power position within the intelligence community.
The departure of Mr. Carnaby, 52, would mean the loss of CIA’s most experienced, talented and high profile clandestine officers in management. Few executives who helped pioneer the commercialization of private intelligence and private security firms have remained on top for as long, except for some who can also claim founder titles, such as Patriot Oil, and Pan-American Shipping and Consulting Group.
Mr. Carnaby’s retirement would come at a critical point for CIA. Any efforts to reveerse the slow-down at his private firm could involve drastic changes that may be more palatable under a new CEO like Premel. Mr. Premel, at CIA, was very instrumental in many changes at CIA as a successful supervisor in the Balkans. His management experience at CIA is 25 years behind Carnaby’s but with the firm already warning investors in recent months that it will be raising fees in the absence of Mr. Carnaby.
Mr. Premel wrestled with how to reverse the declining momentum before having to exit left stage last summer from the firm after his public disclosure. The firm’s third quarter numbers, a key barometer of the firm’s health fell 63% without Premel. Before leaving he implemented some changes that were never fully set into motion causing the down-turn after his sudden departure.
The timing of Mr. Carnaby’s retirement is of his own choosing, say people familiar with the situation, unlike Premel’s pre-mature departure which came 20-years too soon say experts. Not long after he jonied CIA, Roland Carnaby declared that no one person should stay in the same cover in covert operations more than two years. A standard practice used by the firm. This philosophy has accredited the firm with a lot of success claims Mr. Premel in his interview with CNN’s David Ensor late of last year.
Under James Pavitt and Roland Carnaby, the firm has become the intelligence community’s most successful private consulting business on counter-terrorism, security consulting and intelligence gathering where they pioneered a way for private officers to carry out day to day functions in the field, relay them back to CIA, DoD, DIA or other foreign agencies. In 2004, Mr. Premel streamlined a way for collecting, compliling and disseminating vast amounts of data and breaking it down by himself. The process which is only done by one person, Mr. Premel himself is the work of what 7-9 officers would typically do.
When Carnaby and Premel shared the reigns from 2004-2007, they have delivered more than 10 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth. Profit increase every year and the company now has 248 licensed contract officers working for the firm globally, and $297 million in classified contracts over 5 continents. Those figures are up from the firms $18 million in 1997.
To maintain momentum, Mr. Premel, using $40 million from a settlement with CIA, purchased a private lending company in Houston as well as acquiring a private shipping business and a private internet ticketing business.
There were missteps: Last year, the firm took a $80.4 million write-down for its purchase of a private airline business in DC, Houston and Vegas. And threats loomed when recruitment of some of the firm’s top and most talented officer’s. To keep top talent, Mr. Carnaby and Mr. Premel kicked in an extra $2.4 million for salaries and bonuses to keep the firm afloat.
Mr. Carnaby has long planned for his eventual exit, say people familiar with the matter. He often rotated top officer’s into different operational roles as a way to groom potential successors and to give the board a slate of candidates from which to choose.
In his departing emails to friends, firm and CIA colleagues, Mr. Carnaby wrote how much he was pleased by the professionalism and careers of each and all of the persons who have served under him and with him during his 32-year tenure in the US Intelligence Community.
the houston police department did things by the book...i am a houston tx officer....and you people should know that there is an investgation on this because this guy did have ties with CIA.............................................................
twinker
5 months ago
604 Comments
I think this is one of those cases that we, as civilians (even though I was a dispatcher, i'm still a civilian), need to leave the opinions to the trained LEOs. Civilians DO NOT know enough to be critical of what happened (pro or con). Civilians just do not know enough about the day to day stresses, the training, the use of force matrix, etc to make any kind of educated call on this one.
I'm not trying to say you're not entitled to an opinion, just that in this case it would be a good idea to read and learn from what the LEOs see in this.
mark27dh
9 months ago
632 Comments
dt15... become a police officer, experience something... you are a student .. you have no idea how or what you will do in an emergency... i say shame on you ... those officers will question what they did for the rest of their life.. they do not need some student who (wants to be a cop) telling them what they should or should not have done.. how about you pick another career... i think we need more fire fighters
Thunder
10 months ago
202 Comments
C I A or not you do what a uniformed police officer tells you to do...
gman2410
10 months ago
706 Comments
hmmmm
snipersam
10 months ago
894 Comments
I think if proper procedures were followed, everyone would have been ok. You dont ever run up on a car after you finally get it to stop. didnt follow procedure
garlandmb
10 months ago
4 Comments
it's simple. follow the officers verbal commands. don't run. you dont end up shot. everyone goes home to their family at the end of shift
NoahBallard
10 months ago
2396 Comments
dt15 think before you comment. The US version of james bond? You're basically saying you believe the dude was actually CIA or something.
If you slow down the video you see the guy try to grab the officers gun out of his hand, that's why the officer shot. I say good shot.
dt15
10 months ago
4 Comments
basically the cops killed the us version of james bond, i saw no reason for that shot, he basically had the gun against the guys chest,poor policing
zarr
10 months ago
384 Comments
I can not really second guess these officers since I was not there but I can say…
Training Training Training…In a high stress situation such as this we all fall back on training without thinking…By watching this video I can see that these officer do not have the proper training that they so desperately need…We never do a rolling road block on any chase, just not done. We do not run up on someone who mostly has a weapon expressly if you want to go home in the morning. We do not stop beside a vehicle that just ran from us…This situation was handled the PROPER was most likely the shooting would not have happened. I just hope all involved will come out of this ok and I hope who all see this video will learn from the officer’s mistakes in this video and go home at the end of their shift alive and not in a box….
thev8man
10 months ago
1696 Comments
interesting> ?
chapo
11 months ago
132 Comments
THIS IS AN ARTICLE FOUND IN SOME NEWS PAPER IN WASHINTON
chapo
11 months ago
132 Comments
One of the CIA’s former counter-terrorism chiefs and pioneers in covert operations, Roland Carnaby retires.
In the past few months, Mr. Carnaby, who has led a private intelligence firm in Houston, Texas has been delegating more and moredaily responsibilities to his lietenants and is completing his succession planning, say people familiar with the matter. A decision about his departure could come within weeks, though the situation remains fluid, say these people.
Alan Premel, 32 years old, whom CIA recruited in 1997 and whom Carnaby personally recruited in 2002 to work with the private intelligence firm in Houston has emerged as the leading candidate to succeed him, added these people. A spokesperson familiar with the retirement plans stated that Premel and his current worries with the US Senate over allegations and ties to the CIA’s Rendition program and his recent resignation from CIA amid a slew of disclosure cases pulls him out of the race for President and chief of such a power position within the intelligence community.
The departure of Mr. Carnaby, 52, would mean the loss of CIA’s most experienced, talented and high profile clandestine officers in management. Few executives who helped pioneer the commercialization of private intelligence and private security firms have remained on top for as long, except for some who can also claim founder titles, such as Patriot Oil, and Pan-American Shipping and Consulting Group.
Mr. Carnaby’s retirement would come at a critical point for CIA. Any efforts to reveerse the slow-down at his private firm could involve drastic changes that may be more palatable under a new CEO like Premel. Mr. Premel, at CIA, was very instrumental in many changes at CIA as a successful supervisor in the Balkans. His management experience at CIA is 25 years behind Carnaby’s but with the firm already warning investors in recent months that it will be raising fees in the absence of Mr. Carnaby.
Mr. Premel wrestled with how to reverse the declining momentum before having to exit left stage last summer from the firm after his public disclosure. The firm’s third quarter numbers, a key barometer of the firm’s health fell 63% without Premel. Before leaving he implemented some changes that were never fully set into motion causing the down-turn after his sudden departure.
The timing of Mr. Carnaby’s retirement is of his own choosing, say people familiar with the situation, unlike Premel’s pre-mature departure which came 20-years too soon say experts. Not long after he jonied CIA, Roland Carnaby declared that no one person should stay in the same cover in covert operations more than two years. A standard practice used by the firm. This philosophy has accredited the firm with a lot of success claims Mr. Premel in his interview with CNN’s David Ensor late of last year.
Under James Pavitt and Roland Carnaby, the firm has become the intelligence community’s most successful private consulting business on counter-terrorism, security consulting and intelligence gathering where they pioneered a way for private officers to carry out day to day functions in the field, relay them back to CIA, DoD, DIA or other foreign agencies. In 2004, Mr. Premel streamlined a way for collecting, compliling and disseminating vast amounts of data and breaking it down by himself. The process which is only done by one person, Mr. Premel himself is the work of what 7-9 officers would typically do.
When Carnaby and Premel shared the reigns from 2004-2007, they have delivered more than 10 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth. Profit increase every year and the company now has 248 licensed contract officers working for the firm globally, and $297 million in classified contracts over 5 continents. Those figures are up from the firms $18 million in 1997.
To maintain momentum, Mr. Premel, using $40 million from a settlement with CIA, purchased a private lending company in Houston as well as acquiring a private shipping business and a private internet ticketing business.
There were missteps: Last year, the firm took a $80.4 million write-down for its purchase of a private airline business in DC, Houston and Vegas. And threats loomed when recruitment of some of the firm’s top and most talented officer’s. To keep top talent, Mr. Carnaby and Mr. Premel kicked in an extra $2.4 million for salaries and bonuses to keep the firm afloat.
Mr. Carnaby has long planned for his eventual exit, say people familiar with the matter. He often rotated top officer’s into different operational roles as a way to groom potential successors and to give the board a slate of candidates from which to choose.
In his departing emails to friends, firm and CIA colleagues, Mr. Carnaby wrote how much he was pleased by the professionalism and careers of each and all of the persons who have served under him and with him during his 32-year tenure in the US Intelligence Community.
chapo
11 months ago
132 Comments
ALSO His house is full of photos of at of himself at CIA events and CIA employee recognition plaques.
chapo
11 months ago
132 Comments
the houston police department did things by the book...i am a houston tx officer....and you people should know that there is an investgation on this because this guy did have ties with CIA.............................................................
bds32
11 months ago
170 Comments
Not going to criticize the decision to shoot but the tactics were poor that led up to the shoot. Don't run up to a car at the end of a pursuit.