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Go to Parade.com, there is a pretty good article about the age old debate about the drinking age. See what you think.

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Dealing with many underage drinkers on my shift on weekend tours, leads me to believe that teenagers, or at least the largest portion of them, are not capable of being reasonable or responsible when it comes to drinking booze. This may be a no brainer for most of us, however, I thought it would make for some interesting discussion. Thanks

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There is the age old debate that if they are old enough to vote and go to war, they should be old enough to drink. I strongly disagree. That's again like comparing apples and oranges. I personally don't think that most 21 year olds have the maturity level to drink responsibly. If people would just demonstrate some self control when drinking, there would be no debate at all. Unfortunately, for most, that will never happen. This is one of those subjects where there will never be a winner.

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It has been researched and found that the part of the brain responsible for decision making in the area of right or wrong, the frontal lobe, is not fully formed until about the age of 23. If we are killing brain cells at 18, it's possible that function of the brain will be impaired, in some destroyed. Then what happens is the kid that use to buy his beer at 7-11 becomes the adult you arrest ripping the same 7-11 off. Why make it legal for kids to destroy their own reasoning ability before it's even fully functional??. I think the age should be raised to 25. Give the brain enough time to form before you destroy it. Following is a post from the web site, this guy sounds like your typical, I destroyed my brain and I'm alright, drinker. I'm still trying to figure out what "Imboming fluid" is....................................."(when i first joined the air force in 1951 i was 17 yrs old we had a airmen club we could drink in but we drank 3.2 beer dhen i was stationed in ellsworth air force base south dakota all of the bars served 3.2 beer because most if us were under 21 yrs old you get such a head ach the next morning you will limit your self beleive it or not you cannot tast the difference. but iff you are a old seasoned budweiser drinker you can tell the difference. but on a hot day even them will drink it. i served in two wars and spent twenty one years in the air force and drinked plenty of beer over sease in nam the beer was made with imboming fluid i would like to have had a 3.2 beer)" ............................I rest my case. Stay Sober, Stay Safe


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I know its an overused example, but I think one of two things should happen. 1) Lower the drinking age to 18 since you can serve in the Armed Forces and fight and die for your country. or 2) Raise the age to allow people to enlist in the Armed Forces to 21.

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I read the report on the frontal lobe and i think everyone under the age of 23 should have their marriages overturned, if you can't handle a beer at 18 19 20 21 22 23 then you probably can't handle a spouse and kids. i do believe that if you are old enough to die for me and my family then by all means knock back a cold one.
I have said it before age is rarely a factor when it comes to responsibility, too many drunks out there that are killing people are over the legal drinking age. if you look at other cultures you will see we have too many excuses for our faults. again as soon as you sign up for selective service you should be able to drink.
WE have kids walking around in a foreign country right now making life and death decisions and they may never see native soil again, who wants to tell them that they are not responsible enough to kick back a long neck, now get in a hummer without armor try to avoid IED and kill the enemy.

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hate to tell my son that because someone else did not raise there child correctly he has to pay for it.

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Check the stats, those younger marraiges are due to fail. Most do. Does this mean if your old enough to enlist, then you should be eligible for Social Security too. As said before, apples and oranges. Unfortunately we all pay for someone elses mistakes in some way or another. Stay Safe


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I do agree with the enlistment age being raised. These are just kids dying in foreign countries. Let them be kids, have a few years out of high school before you send them off to war. Stay Safe


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I remember a few years back in DUI Instructor school about this issue being raised. The instructor states that "medical research" has shown that alcohol affects teenagers bodies different until about the age of 22 or 23. Something about metabolism, I think, and its too easy for them to get drunk on less beer. Me as the father of teenagers, and a former MADD award winner, I say no. BUT, if they are in the military yes let them drink. The USCMJ will sanction them off or on base..... Just my opinion....Doesnt mean I am right.

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I know when I was in the military, all I needed was my my military ID to drink off post. I agree with Det Sgt Darryl. It's the physical and mental issue that is in play here. Not so much as to whats fair or not. A lot of factors involved that need to be weighed against each other. Stay Safe


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how many officers have caught a minor in possession of alcohol and did not charge.
how many intoxicated minors have you taken back to momma in stead of taking them to jail.

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Any of them that didn't swing and some that did. why, the point? We're no animals. Kids are going to get booze and drugs law or no law. Doesn't change the need for laws. Or the need for LEOs. However, we do have discretion in a lot of cases and I'm not going to ruin a kids day over a little fun and games. The person who sold or supplied it are in my sights though. Stay Safe


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thats my point we let the ones we think are just cutting loose some slack. if you really think it is that bad as to deny a 18 year old alcohol why cut slack at all. I still think if you can make life and death decisions at 18, go to war get married and have kids you might be able to handle beer. im not talking about abusive drinkers we have them at every age.i have seen alot more adults making bad choices when it comes to having to much to drink, i work close to military bases we just dont have as much problems with the kids that are 18 as we do with the much older ones.

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Maybe in this case, as in most others, stiffer punishment is warranted. You can get charged with a felony for driving while suspended, and the conviction is easier than driving while intoxicated, yet statistically speaking, DWI causes more human and property harm than assaults. Charge rent for jail beds, longer sentences, recoupment for local and state government for prosecutorial expenditures, etc. etc. As always, its all about money, so lets hit the bad guy in his pocketbook. We look down on "dead beat dads" yet continue to pay out the nose for repeat offenders. Where is a tree hugger when you need one?

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Point taken, but what I'm am looking at are the physical and mental ramifications to the younger drinker. Not whether they should or could but what it will do to them physically. I still say let them grow up, then send them to war or the bar. Stay Safe


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By the time you are old enough to handle the booze, they don't want to go to war. Pick 'em while they are young, easier to mold into a lean mean fighting machine. Historically, we have sacrificed our young men to war. Why stop now? Freedom ain't free, bro's. The price must be paid......

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Maybe, the price is a little to high, we need to negotiate it a little. If Bush wants to protect his oil interests, send Bush. Just a thought. Stay Safe


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You are exactly right, let's fight the war HERE! Saves on travel expenses.

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Teens are by majority, morons. This has a lot to do with parents in my opinion. Let's face it though, we call 18 y.o. an adult, so we might as well let them drink, right? No. Alcohol related deaths among teens is high, making it legal won't make them less likely to drink and drive. Deaths will increase, insurance will rise, and we will mourn the legalization of lowered drinking age.


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I agree with AZ, well except the moron part. Teens are just teens. Because they are not fully functional, they can't can't handle the booze in the same manner as someone older. Once their inhibitions are lowered, they do stupid things. Face it, teens think they are indestructable, get em drunk and now they are superman. Young deaths on our highways are very high due to drinking. We would just be making it legal for them to kill themselves or others. Don't make it easier on them by dropping the age limit again. Stay Safe


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ODIN said:

how many officers have caught a minor in possession of alcohol and did not charge.
how many intoxicated minors have you taken back to momma in stead of taking them to jail.

Quite a few provided however they didn't act like fools.