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My roommate is doing an essay on the federal assault weapons ban, and he was wondering what ya’ll think about this ban that used to be in effect.

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It needs to be reinstated. There is NO reason for any person other than military or law enforcement to own/possess a military assault weapon. I'm sick and tired of hearing about LEOs killed or severely injured by assault weapons. I'm not against the right to bear arms, I own plenty. But, SKS, AK-47s and the like are just anti-personnel guns and they have no place in the hands of mr. civilian down the street, or mr. gangbanger for that matter. They are not meant for anything, other than taking human life, and many of our fallen brothers have seen it first hand. I know that the Miami-Dade policechief is pushing a law to ban them from Miami, he stated that his officers are severely outgunned, and I totally agree, nationwide.

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Just look at the LA bank robbery a few years ago! What do we do in a situation like that? No need for weapons like that in the streets. JMO.

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My roommate is doing an essay on the federal assault weapons ban, and he was wondering what ya’ll think about this ban that used to be in effect.

HR 922 Assualt weapons ban, sunset on September 14th 2004. It is no longer in effect. *except* for the extreme liberal states such as IL, NY, CA MD, HI and a few others that have slipped my mind, they still retain a version of a ban on assualt weapons.


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Now the only thing that ban did in the first place was make it so you could not have a flash hider, bayonet lug, high capacity magazine, or folding/collapsible stock on a weapon. So these "evil" weapons were modified to these new standards. Which actually made them more accurate. The main restriction on this was the high capacity magazines being banned from public purchase or use. This made the " pre-ban" made weapons and magazines sky rocket in value and price.

Now I must disagree with taking these weapons away from any law abiding civilian. A person whom wishes to commit a crime with a weapon will get a weapon no matter what, they will steal, or get it through a foreign or black market source. They dont go through a background check and hence cannot be stopped from illegally obtaining a weapon. Be it a Hi Point 9mm pistol or a AK 47/74 variant. Taking these weapons away from law abiding citizens only weakens the publics chances of defending themselves from an aggressor be them foreign or domestic. I have more AR-15's and AK's then anyone else i know. I'm a firearms instructor and maintainer for the Air Force. But ill be getting out soon. So does that mean you would want me to get rid of these weapons because i'd be a civilian then? Does the phrase " From my cold, dead hands" mean anything to you? Be it I will be making the transition to civil LE, still I feel every free law abiding citizen should be able to own any weapon they are legally capable of.

And if a Police chief in Miami FL says that his officers are outgunned.. He needs to pull his head out of his liberal ass and arm his officers with hi power automatic rifles and sub machineguns. Thats rule number one brother, if your enemy has a bigger gun then you, then you go find a bigger one and blow his ass away! Stop with the whining and crying about oh these guns are bad, they kill people. Guess what drunk drivers kill people too, so should be ban automobiles as well? I cant recall how many officers were killed while on duty by being stuck by a moving vehicle or in a collision responding to a call. Saying an particular kind of weapons is bad and shouldn't be allowed is like saying a Gateway computer causes child porno and should be banned from public purchase.

Sorry if I offended anyone, But this is a ban that never should have happened and solved absolutely nothing.
The north Hollywood shootout was a tragedy, but that was a wake up call for departments nationwide to start issuing patrol rifles to their officers. Instead of crying, mount up, lock and load, take out the trash and stop infringing upon law abiding citizens rights!


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You sure didn't offend me. A free people should be able to own an assault rifle just like a single shot shotgun. No difference. Laws are not infringing on the criminal element in this world, it just ties the hands of lawful citizens!

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Now the only thing that ban did in the first place was make it so you could not have a flash hider, bayonet lug, high capacity magazine, or folding/collapsible stock on a weapon. So these "evil" weapons were modified to these new standards. Which actually made them more accurate. The main restriction on this was the high capacity magazines being banned from public purchase or use. This made the " pre-ban" made weapons and magazines sky rocket in value and price.

Now I must disagree with taking these weapons away from any law abiding civilian. A person whom wishes to commit a crime with a weapon will get a weapon no matter what, they will steal, or get it through a foreign or black market source. They dont go through a background check and hence cannot be stopped from illegally obtaining a weapon. Be it a Hi Point 9mm pistol or a AK 47/74 variant. Taking these weapons away from law abiding citizens only weakens the publics chances of defending themselves from an aggressor be them foreign or domestic. I have more AR-15's and AK's then anyone else i know. I'm a firearms instructor and maintainer for the Air Force. But ill be getting out soon. So does that mean you would want me to get rid of these weapons because i'd be a civilian then? Does the phrase " From my cold, dead hands" mean anything to you? Be it I will be making the transition to civil LE, still I feel every free law abiding citizen should be able to own any weapon they are legally capable of.

And if a Police chief in Miami FL says that his officers are outgunned.. He needs to pull his head out of his liberal ass and arm his officers with hi power automatic rifles and sub machineguns. Thats rule number one brother, if your enemy has a bigger gun then you, then you go find a bigger one and blow his ass away! Stop with the whining and crying about oh these guns are bad, they kill people. Guess what drunk drivers kill people too, so should be ban automobiles as well? I cant recall how many officers were killed while on duty by being stuck by a moving vehicle or in a collision responding to a call. Saying an particular kind of weapons is bad and shouldn't be allowed is like saying a Gateway computer causes child porno and should be banned from public purchase.

Sorry if I offended anyone, But this is a ban that never should have happened and solved absolutely nothing.
The north Hollywood shootout was a tragedy, but that was a wake up call for departments nationwide to start issuing patrol rifles to their officers. Instead of crying, mount up, lock and load, take out the trash and stop infringing upon law abiding citizens rights!

Yes, I would, cus I'm not sure that 6 months from now, there would be a mental episode where an officer responds, and suddenly finds himself duckin 7.62 like we MPs did in Iraq. Not in my country. They're killin weapons plain and simple, not for target practice, not for collecting as some would say, KILLING, period. As I said, I'm not antigun, I have handguns, rifles, shotguns, I hunt, I go target practice, etc. But, I have no use for assault weapons, saw my LE family ripped apart because of guys using AK-47s, I don;t see any justification for them on my nations streets. Its just a matter of public safety in my eyes, thats all.

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aren't all weapons for killing. don't make laws to restrict my freedom or the freedom of good citizenry. the ban solved nothing and to reinstate it would solve nothing.

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Yes, Chief, all weapons are for killing, and believe me, I'm not saying to restrict freedom, hell I fought for it twice overseas and still will, I just from a police perspective, not a citizen, not a servicemeber, just as a cop, see no justifiable use for a fully-automatic assault weapon in a home, a vehicle, and so on in a civilians possession. And I'm not saying anyones views are wrong, this is a good discussion and I know there are many viewpoints to this one, especially!!

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Yes, Chief, all weapons are for killing, and believe me, I'm not saying to restrict freedom, hell I fought for it twice overseas and still will, I just from a police perspective, not a citizen, not a servicemeber, just as a cop, see no justifiable use for a fully-automatic assault weapon in a home, a vehicle, and so on in a civilians possession. And I'm not saying anyones views are wrong, this is a good discussion and I know there are many viewpoints to this one, especially!!

i'm not saying you opinion is wrong, but if you allow government to start restricting rights especially the 2nd amendment, what rights are you willing to give up next. You'll have no options then, you won't have anything to defend those rights.

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I'm tracking, but, I guess, the way I can sum it up, is that, (personally), I'd be willing to see that slight restriction in place, if it means keeping the ability to encounter those types of weapons, to at the very least, a minimum. I mean, we both know that thered always be a way for the badguys to get their hands on them. And, when thinking into it more, it may not even have to go to a federal level. Leave it up to the individual state, county, municipality. Since, pretty much each area deals with different problems from one end of the country to the next. Its not a great idea, but to me, its not a bad one either.

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I can understand your ideas lawdawgtrav BUT, the bad guys will still manage to obtain these types of weapons. They do not obey the laws, that is why they are called criminals. Granted I am retired LEO and I don't even hunt but I do collect firearms and especially old military types because of the history. So far I do not have any assault type weapons other than an SKS because they are so expensive and I am still collecting all the types from the 1890's. I still do not want the Government telling me I cannot have them. If the world ever does turn to shit then I know that my family and I can survive both through hunting and by protecting ourselves. The 2nd Amendment was not added without very strong thought.

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I can understand your ideas lawdawgtrav BUT, the bad guys will still manage to obtain these types of weapons. They do not obey the laws, that is why they are called criminals. Granted I am retired LEO and I don't even hunt but I do collect firearms and especially old military types because of the history. So far I do not have any assault type weapons other than an SKS because they are so expensive and I am still collecting all the types from the 1890's. I still do not want the Government telling me I cannot have them. If the world ever does turn to shit then I know that my family and I can survive both through hunting and by protecting ourselves. The 2nd Amendment was not added without very strong thought.

Copy that sir! Again, there are a plethora of opinions on this, as I'm sure we've all jump started that. Its not that I hate guns, its just that when you've got a machine gun and the badguy does too, thats still a hairy situation, and I hope to never encounter it on the street here, but if I do, I can only hope my M4 is slung over my shoulder!!! People should be allowed, absolutely, to own guns, I just have a hard time with the scumbags having them too, thats all. And thats something that will always be.
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What was that people did before guns, thats right they used knives, swords, sticks, stones or anything they could a hold of to cause harm to eachother. Which is excatly what would happen if somehow all guns are magically erased from this planet. I have a novel idea instead trying to take away the tools people use to cause harm to eachother do something to modify people's behavior. When a crime is committed using a gun enhance the punishment, instead the typical lets make a deal crap that occurs all to often. Banning guns makes less sense than banning cars and mandating public transportation because more people are killed/severly injured every year with cars than there are with guns. Last I heard driving is a priviledge not a right, where guns are a right. To say 'assault weapons' serve no purpose, therefore should be banned is retarded. If we are going to ban things because they serve no purpose then ban everything that serves no purpose then call our government Socialist or Communist instead of a Democracy. The existing Fedral laws on guns are not being strictly being enforced, what purpose would it serve to add more. I found a convicted felon and also convicted of a DV assault in possession of ammunition, a violation of WA state and federal law and he was not charged. Lets try and enforcing laws that already exist instead of enacting news ones.


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I think there is a bit of mis understanding on your part there lawdawgtrav. You see, when you got out the a gun store and purchase an AK-47, or an AR-15 varient..... these weapons are specificly designed to be SEMI AUTOMATIC ONLY. There is no full auto weapons that you can just go out and buy.

FULL AUTO weapons are called class 3 items and you must go through an extensive background check lasting up to 10 months in most cases to obtain permission to purchase the fully automatic weapon. You will recieve what is called a tax stamp with the weapons serial number on it and you must have a paper in your possesion at all times. Oh, and any machine gun is gernally 12 times more expensive then any semi auto weapon. Ill give you an example=

= Your M4 that you carry on duty, in the exact configuration it is in now, safe-semi-burst, and with the 14.5 inch barrel you would spend $15,000. And thats an avereage price for a machinegun in that configuration. Now you can go out and buy the civilian legal version that is SEMI automatic only and CANNOT BE converted to fire in a burst or full auto mode for around $800.

As stated before, If a criminal wants a gun, they will get whatever they can get. no matter if its a machine gun or a single shot pistol. And I am a Cop as well by the way, Firearms instructor and maintainter, Its my job to be highly educated on topics such as this. By no means am I trying to put you down, but look into "assualt weapons" a litlte bit more to understand what they really are here in the U.S. The AK and RPD's your running into in Iraq are NOT even close to the same kind of AK's you will see here in the states. Just throwing out the facts....


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I agree with CATM. I have had this talk with some of his collegues during weapons qualification training and they all agree with what he said. I trust his opinion and therefore believe the same. The bad guys are not going to Cabela's like I did, ask to see a Springfield XD or any other weapon, hand over their drivers license and let the ATF be called and their background checked. What does need to happen is that when police get these guns either they destroy them or use them. That would save money. Miami is another nice hotbed of liberal activity.


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CATM2005 you couldn't have said it any better. If people think banning these weapons will solve anything they are mistaken. Criminals aren't buying these guns over the counter they are buying them in the back alleys. So why should the good people be punished when the criminals are going to continue to get these guns no matter if their banned or not?

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Guns don't kill people, People kill people. I wonder about the stats of people killed with a beasball bat, yet there is no legislation called upon to ban the baseball bat.

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I agree that the idea of rolling up on the scene and have some A-Hole jump out and start blasting away with an AK is my idea of a very, very bad day. But....you have to look at the percentages. How many "assault weapons" are there and how many are actually used illegally? Of those, how many were obtained legally? The bad guys will always find a way to obtain guns, or drugs and other contraband. Do we then punish all of the law-biding folks to prevent a few that pay no attention to laws from being gun violent? I think not. The so-called assault weapon ban affected far more than just semi-automatic military style rifles. The liberals in the country, mainly Democrats, want an un-armed public. They are far more concerned with the "rights" of criminals than the rights of the average citizen.

Here in Ohio, the first renewal period for concealed carry permits is about to begin. There have been no problems associated with the Ohio CCW laws, but, the people from Handgun Control and the Brady bunch are raising hell...there will be blood in the streets, children will die, and so on. These people are NUTS, plain and simple. They will never be satisfied until all of America is unarmed....of course, except for the bad guys!


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I agree that the idea of rolling up on the scene and have some A-Hole jump out and start blasting away with an AK is my idea of a very, very bad day. But....you have to look at the percentages. How many "assault weapons" are there and how many are actually used illegally? Of those, how many were obtained legally? The bad guys will always find a way to obtain guns, or drugs and other contraband. Do we then punish all of the law-biding folks to prevent a few that pay no attention to laws from being gun violent? I think not. The so-called assault weapon ban affected far more than just semi-automatic military style rifles. The liberals in the country, mainly Democrats, want an un-armed public. They are far more concerned with the "rights" of criminals than the rights of the average citizen.

Here in Ohio, the first renewal period for concealed carry permits is about to begin. There have been no problems associated with the Ohio CCW laws, but, the people from Handgun Control and the Brady bunch are raising hell...there will be blood in the streets, children will die, and so on. These people are NUTS, plain and simple. They will never be satisfied until all of America is unarmed....of course, except for the bad guys!

I agree. The ban did not only go after the guns but some other items that CATM mentioned in his post. Spot on sgt.


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just weighing in; first off I don't even care for the term "assault weapon". The term merely refers to a rifle and is provided a negative connotation by politicians with an agenda. The ban was tried, accomplished nothing other than inconveniencing law abiding citizens so why do it again?

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Hooah on that on that rickjudy!


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Ban twinkies.. they kill people too...

Im for killing criminals... I know they wont be shooting anyone ever again..

its not the gun, its the human... until we ban them we are just piss'in in the wind

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catm2005 said:


phoenixvff said:


My roommate is doing an essay on the federal assault weapons ban, and he was wondering what ya’ll think about this ban that used to be in effect.


HR 922 Assualt weapons ban, sunset on September 14th 2004. It is no longer in effect. *except* for the extreme liberal states such as IL, NY, CA MD, HI and a few others that have slipped my mind, they still retain a version of a ban on assualt weapons.


Um Illinois not so.. maybe parts of Chicago.. but you can buy any title I weapon.. extra cap mags.. as a civilian.

Now to have a Title II weapon (in the 33 states that allow it) you need a $200 dollar tax stamp OR you must be a licenced dealer with a type 01 02 07 08 09 10 or 11 license and pay a Class 3 SOT (SPECIAL OCCUPATION TAX) of $500 per year and then you cal sell them to qualifying individuals/agency's.. Class 3 or Class 2 or Class 1 refers to the Tax you pay and not the weapon type. Class 3 SOT allows you to sell fully automatics... Class 2 SOT allows you to manufacture.. Class 1 allows you to import.

Weapons that qualify as a Transferable firearm (to be able to get the tax stamp.. must have been made prior to May 19,1986.. these firearms are very pricey.. I have seen a Title I Colt SMG 9mm go for 18,000 plus... anything made after this date is a non transferable weapon.


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My roommate is doing an essay on the federal assault weapons ban, and he was wondering what ya’ll think about this ban that used to be in effect.

Personally my opinion.. it did nothing. So they took bayonet lugs off of AR-15's.. and this did what? When was the last time you heard anyone get bayoneted to death. It limited mag capacity sure... to Mags that were made after the date of the ban.. everything made prior was legal to have. This is the way I see it. a firearm is a firearm is a firearm. You put 2 truck and F-150 and an Silverado.. they got 4 wheels a motor and a place to sit. Put a Ar-15 and a Ruger Mini 14 next to each other.. same caliber.. semi auto.. hi cap mags... one just looks nicer cause it has a wood stock... all guns have a trigger... barrel.. bolt.. ect... a round is loaded into the chamber, the trigger is pulled moving the sear to release the hammer striking a firing pin causing a controlled burn of the powder inside the casing increasing gas pressure behind the round forcing it out the barrel... and the SHAPE or esthetic look of the firearm does what? Nothing.. it just doesn’t make it look like grandpa’s hunting rifle.

Now as for individual city's, counties, states making ordinances against it.. if poeple want them they will get them.. look at DC very liberal on what you cant get... drive 8 miles outside the city.. and you can get what the don’t want you to have then hop back in you're car and drive back to DC..

As for the type of weapons for law enforcement. Unless you're SWAT, SRT, ERT you don't need a fully auto.. Full auto is basically suppressive fire.. last thing you want is 8-10 patrol officers (no offence to anyone I am one) in a situation laying down 600 rounds per min in an urban area.. too much liability.. what you want is well placed shots.. I carry a AR-15 in the car and on duty.. it's semi auto... and its mine. My department (much like many others around here) doesn't have the funds to purchase AR-15.. but recognizes the usefulness of the tool and they allow us to put them in our box....


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catm2005 said:

Now the only thing that ban did in the first place was make it so you could not have a flash hider, bayonet lug, high capacity magazine, or folding/collapsible stock on a weapon. So these "evil" weapons were modified to these new standards. Which actually made them more accurate. The main restriction on this was the high capacity magazines being banned from public purchase or use. This made the " pre-ban" made weapons and magazines sky rocket in value and price.

Now I must disagree with taking these weapons away from any law abiding civilian. A person whom wishes to commit a crime with a weapon will get a weapon no matter what, they will steal, or get it through a foreign or black market source. They dont go through a background check and hence cannot be stopped from illegally obtaining a weapon. Be it a Hi Point 9mm pistol or a AK 47/74 variant. Taking these weapons away from law abiding citizens only weakens the publics chances of defending themselves from an aggressor be them foreign or domestic. I have more AR-15's and AK's then anyone else i know. I'm a firearms instructor and maintainer for the Air Force. But ill be getting out soon. So does that mean you would want me to get rid of these weapons because i'd be a civilian then? Does the phrase " From my cold, dead hands" mean anything to you? Be it I will be making the transition to civil LE, still I feel every free law abiding citizen should be able to own any weapon they are legally capable of.

And if a Police chief in Miami FL says that his officers are outgunned.. He needs to pull his head out of his liberal ass and arm his officers with hi power automatic rifles and sub machineguns. Thats rule number one brother, if your enemy has a bigger gun then you, then you go find a bigger one and blow his ass away! Stop with the whining and crying about oh these guns are bad, they kill people. Guess what drunk drivers kill people too, so should be ban automobiles as well? I cant recall how many officers were killed while on duty by being stuck by a moving vehicle or in a collision responding to a call. Saying an particular kind of weapons is bad and shouldn't be allowed is like saying a Gateway computer causes child porno and should be banned from public purchase.

Sorry if I offended anyone, But this is a ban that never should have happened and solved absolutely nothing.
The north Hollywood shootout was a tragedy, but that was a wake up call for departments nationwide to start issuing patrol rifles to their officers. Instead of crying, mount up, lock and load, take out the trash and stop infringing upon law abiding citizens rights!

Hey, good points in your topic post. You stated your reasons, and was clear at where you stand.


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I also agree with catm.

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catm2005 hit it right on the money for one exception. NEVER BE SORRY!!!! I am not sorry nor should you. People who want the ban have their head stuck somewhere it shouldn't be. Go to the Mexican border and you will see signs that say, Guns and Ammunition are illegal in Mexico. That doesn't stop the banditos, smugglers, and cartels from having them. None of which are law abiding citizens in any respect. BANS DO ONLY ONE THING, TAKE GUNS AWAY FROM LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. We are a free country because the government still fears the people. What makes people think a criminal will obey a gun law in the first place, if there intent is to break laws. Isn't that why we call them criminals. If I missed something in my law classes I wish someone would give me the answer. Also take note that if they ban weapons, it will only make it harder for agencies to provide the tools needed for the job.

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look everyone here makes valid points and i am a hunter but like other people i do not see the reason for any one to own a assault riffle its only design is to kill people not animals or even to defend your house it is just a to powerful weapon to defend your home or property. people have to think that a 7.62 bullet just dose not stop when it hits a person, a wall, a vehicle, and other objects it usualy hits makes a hole and keeps on traveling to hit something else in a 3 mile line of travel. so if anyone can give me a valid reason for owning such a weapon then ill agree with it. now let me say this as well if you are a collector or would like to own one of these types of weapons then you should go through the proper background checks and recieve a license for one. the AK-47 is used for nothing but killing people its not a hunting riffle so whats the use for anything other than LE, and the military?


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