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100_1981_3__max50

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Scenario: You go to a local motel to follow up with a suspect who has been fraudulently collecting donations from local businesses. When you attempt to detain the suspect and transport him to the PD for questioning he runs from you. You give chase and ultimately corner the suspect. You have him at gun point. At first the suspect has his hands raised in the air above his head. You order him to lie on his stomach, he refuses. Instead the suspect begins reaching into the back of his waistband and states, "Bitch shoot me before I shoot you." What would you do at this point?


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Shoot. You are in fear for your life.

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Okay, a little twist. You put your finger on the trigger and begin to pull back. The suspect, who is only 7 feet away, sees this and raises his hands back into the air. What now?


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100_1981_3__max50

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I swear there is a point to all this.


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sounds like suicide by cop..............


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okay i didn't type fast enough.................before or after he drops his weapon ?


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He hasn't displayed a weapon. He only reaches into his back waistband continuosly, and will not comply with demands to raise his hands and lie on the ground


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The first time he reached into his waistband he should have been taken out.

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had this happen to me before it goes back to you're training and ability. i did not have back up to count on. had to rely on myself.

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i agree with the lt , but lc what did he do other than run that the officer would have to escalate


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If you are only 7 feet from the suspect it sounds like TAZER time. Thats if you have access to it. If not, OC the SOB. There is not imminent threat to you or the persons around you so deadly force IS NOT an option ( he hasnt displayed a weapon yet). I would either try to 1) taze the suspect, 2) OC the suspect, or 3) wrestle him to the ground and take him in custody. He has already exibited a threatening mannor so PC to taze him is apparent. Then again you can always holster your weapon, take out your ASP and pretend he is a human pinata. Thats my 2 cents

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I know I'm going home!

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10-4 LT. The reason I am asking, I was in this exact situation on Thursday. The suspect, who is a frequent flyer, ran from me. I cornered him and had him at gunpoint, waiting for the cavalry, when he started reaching into his waistband and telling me to shoot him before he shot me. I always keep my finger outside the trigger guard unless I am preparing to fire. I put my finger on the trigger and began pulling, I carry a Glock so you have a little more play in the trigger, when the suspect raised both hands in the air. He kept both hand in the air until my partner arrived. After he was detained I searched him for weapons, he had none.

I began to question "what if". What if I had shot him and later found that he had no weapons. Would I be justified? Just curious what others opinions are.


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

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Taser fell out of my holster while running. It would have been perfect though!


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

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OC didn't work. HE was tanked on meth.


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

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the bad thing is cops think hell yea you're justified, but what about you're gp out there. they do not think like us, you did the right thing, even if you had pulled the trigger. it comes down to you right then, if you felt justified to shoot then you probably would have been right......error in you're favor.

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You went home safe. That's all that matters. Well Done.

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I wouldn’t give him that much time. The very first movement from that waistband would give me all I would need. He said he was going to shoot you. In the end I go back to what one of my Academy LT.’s favorite sayings “rather be judged by twelve than carried by six”. I am going home at the end of the night. The suspect made the choice not to.


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The suspect wants you to shoot him. He doesn't seem to comply with your demands. I wouldn't shoot unless you know for sure he has a gun, but it seems to me he is playing a game on you what until back up comes.

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We had this scenario given to us by one of our instructors in the academy last week. He said that at that point, when they start to reach behind their back and you don't know if they're going to pull out a weapon or not you do what it takes to get yourself home. Tazer...OC...pistol. Whichever, so long as you go home. And then he did the famous quote, "Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six." I agree.

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lc , don't start second guessing yourself ............ it's good to take a look at the situation and ask yourself where i need to improve before escalation


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It didn't shoot, but I damn sure wanted to pistol whip him! As if my blood pressure wasn't high enough, his wife and 5 young children were standing about 25 feet away during the whole ordeal. It was a bad situation that ended the best way possible. He told me afterward that he wanted me to kill him, suicide by cop, because he doesn't have the juevos to do it himself!!!


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

"Well-behaved women rarely make history"

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I could Monday morning quarterback every shift I work, but I don't. We are all placed in bad situations everday and you have to make a life altering decision in a matter of milliseconds and then be questioned by some defense attorney who has had months, a sometimes years, to evaluate your situation. But I couldn't imagine waking up and NOT doing this for the rest of my life.


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

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lc thought so , with the suicide thing , still glad you came home safe


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I'm good. Perp is on his way back to prison. +1 for the good guys!


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"Well-behaved women rarely make history"

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LCarvin...honestly..all that matters is that you are alive and well. Dont let it eat at you or next time you will start second guessing yourself and the results wont be the same. You did a great job and did what you had to do to get the job done. The scenario will be different with each one of us, you have to understand that. Not everyone is going to respond the same way. Some would have dumped hiim as he stood. others would have went through the ladder of escalation. all that matters is that we are here to support you and let you know you did your job and did it well. K?

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cowboycdm said:

LCarvin...honestly..all that matters is that you are alive and well. Dont let it eat at you or next time you will start second guessing yourself and the results wont be the same. You did a great job and did what you had to do to get the job done. The scenario will be different with each one of us, you have to understand that. Not everyone is going to respond the same way. Some would have dumped hiim as he stood. others would have went through the ladder of escalation. all that matters is that we are here to support you and let you know you did your job and did it well. K?

Gracias.


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Lcarvin you showed superior control and sense to be able to watch every move the suspect made. And being that he was a frequent flier it showed you had knowledge of his past. I commend you in your job. You can put any scenario out there and you will have 100 different ways to bring it to the end. That shows everyone is different and thinks different. But as long as the results are with in the letter then now one should have any problems and everyone should go home.

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Thanks, sgtbetterton.


"It would be better for one to have a stone tied around their neck and thrown into the sea, than to cause a child to stumble."

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Just like everyone else has commented, every one handels every situation as it presents itself... I had an Old man that I was security checking, come out of the bushes as I was checking around his house, with a bat in his hand yelling... I pulled my weapon and jumped back as I recognized him, and had to duck a swing of the bat, but managed to make the drunk bastard stop long enough to recognize me as a cop, and not a prowler... Was I justified? yes, would I have been happy with the result? NO! But like you, I was blessed with a choice that was reasonable and worked at the time, and everyone went home for the night. You just have to take it one call at a time, one situation at a time, and remember Your safety comes first, and while hind sight is 20/20, they look at what the situation is at the time of occurance, not what is found after the fact.... Good Job

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