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Whats going on people, today my question is about Private Property signs (Stop sign and No Left turn permitted in particular).


 


I'm a Police officer in the state of GA and our signs are state certified with either a white, blue, or yellow sticker from the state indicating that it is a State Certified traffic control device. However, there are officer's out here who wish to wrtie citations for people who violate the non certified stop sign and no left turn sign that is on private property. For example, coming out of Quicktrip on Panola Road there are 2 signs attached to a pole, 1 indicating "STOP" and the other right below it thats states "No Left Turn" neither are certified and the pole is not a certain lengt in height. 


So the question i'm trying to ask here is, how are officers allowed to get away with giving citations for non certified signs and also does it matter in your county, city, or state?


 


 


 

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Whats going on people, today my question is about Private Property signs (Stop sign and No Left turn permitted in particular).


 


I'm a Police officer in the state of GA and our signs are state certified with either a white, blue, or yellow sticker from the state indicating that it is a State Certified traffic control device. However, there are officer's out here who wish to wrtie citations for people who violate the non certified stop sign and no left turn sign that is on private property. For example, coming out of Quicktrip on Panola Road there are 2 signs attached to a pole, 1 indicating "STOP" and the other right below it thats states "No Left Turn" neither are certified and the pole is not a certain lengt in height. 


So the question i'm trying to ask here is, how are officers allowed to get away with giving citations for non certified signs and also does it matter in your county, city, or state?


 


 


 



11-19-13 0925PST


Reckless_Rookie...... Your question almost sounds like a citizen who has just received a citation for such an offense and is looking for a way out of the ticket when they (you) go to court. If you are who and what you say you are, please check the box on your profile that will verify you as LE and give you a verification star by your avatar.  As for your question, my advice is for you to ask one of the traffic supervisors for your department.

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 I agree with you SkoolCop.  He's been on the site for about 3 years and not too many posts from him, which makes me curious.  However your answer seems the best that can be given.  Rookie you need to check with your traffic supervisor, as these things vary from State to State.

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I'd also check your local/State Ordinances. We have a local ordinance that is called "Fail to Obey Traffic Control Device". I enforce that if the signs/pavement markings or curb design is within the roadway right of way.  We also have an ordinance that stipulates vehicles must stop before crossing the sidewalk or entering a roadway from a parking lot (includes lots that are public and "private open to the public").


Check your ordinances/state laws; and/or your supervisor.


Also, County Agencies and State Patrol do have jurisdiction inside the city - at least in Ohio.


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I would axe the city manager. This should be an internal question. Why axe us instead of conducting your own research.

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Your State Traffic Code will usually define what is a traffic control device and what is authorized.  Usually in a Traffic Code Book, there will be a section called Traffic Legend.  This section will give you the definition.  Most States now use the MUTCD manual, which is a National Highway Safety Standard Manual.


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In California, Section 23103(b) is defined as reckless driving (no pun intended) on an "Off Street" parking facility.  "Off Street" would indicate a parking lot as opposed to a public steet.  The elements which would constitute the violation of this section would be:


#1) That the defendant drove a motor vehicle in or on an "Off Street" parking facility / parking lot


#2)  The defendant did so with an intentional or conscious disregard for the safety of persons or property


Conviction of the offense is a misdemeanor.


The thing to remember is that the operator of a motor vehicle has an obligation to obey the rules of the road and drive in a safe manner with due regard for pedestrians and property.  Therefore, rules of the road are not only applicable on a public roadway, they also apply and are enforceable in parking lots.

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Bump SkoolCop.

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And another HUGE bump to SkoolCop.Do you ,Officer Reckless,have anything to present us to prove you are a leo???

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And another HUGE bump to SkoolCop.Do you ,Officer Reckless,have anything to present us to prove you are a leo???



A member for just under three years and named himself "Reckless_Rookie" which almost invites one to read into as to why he named himself as such.  Has only 6 posts to date and there is no indication that he is in fact working for anyone.  All very odd.  That said and loosely giving the benefit of the doubt, the term "Rookie" indicates an officer who is either in his / her FTO phase or completing his / her first full year and is still on probation.  "Reckless" is pretty much self explanitory.  We recently had a recruit wash out because he was not responding to training.  In addition to more serious officer safety issues and concerns, he argued a lot with his FTO's and other senior officers about the inerpitation and application of laws.  Reckless_Rookie reminds me a lot of that guy for some odd reason.  Wonder where he went and why he hasn't responded to any of the answers that he has been given.  Has he read the responses? Has he taken the advise to go to his traffic supervisor(s) and ask?