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Sorry guys for bugging you. I tryed looking on line for this answer. I really dont like making new forums. But I want to make a B.O.B. and I want to keep it in my car. But my B.O.B. would consiste of a rifle being in the bag. So my question is if it's legal to do that? I dont know because I'm not a hunter. Just getting into guns really. I live in Michigan. So if anyone could help that would be awesome. Please no negative comments. 

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Check with the laws in your state. Generally, you cannot carry a rifle in the passenger compartment of a vehicle. It needs to be unloaded and stowed in the trunk. The ammo needs to be in a separate and secure container. 


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Why would you want to leave a rifle in your vehicle? When you say "your vehicle" do you mean patrol vehicle? Or your personal vehicle? My personal opinion, and I have a rifle and this is what I do, keep loaded magazines of whatever calaber the rifle is in the bag and keep the bag with you when you have access to your weapon. Leave the rifle at home safely stored away avoid the possibilty of your car getting stolen with youe rifle in it. Just my 2 cents anyway 


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Why would you want to leave a rifle in your vehicle? When you say "your vehicle" do you mean patrol vehicle? Or your personal vehicle? My personal opinion, and I have a rifle and this is what I do, keep loaded magazines of whatever calaber the rifle is in the bag and keep the bag with you when you have access to your weapon. Leave the rifle at home safely stored away avoid the possibilty of your car getting stolen with youe rifle in it. Just my 2 cents anyway 


 


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rypete says ...



Why would you want to leave a rifle in your vehicle? When you say "your vehicle" do you mean patrol vehicle? Or your personal vehicle? My personal opinion, and I have a rifle and this is what I do, keep loaded magazines of whatever calaber the rifle is in the bag and keep the bag with you when you have access to your weapon. Leave the rifle at home safely stored away avoid the possibilty of your car getting stolen with youe rifle in it. Just my 2 cents anyway 


 


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rypete, I believe this poster is a security guard.


 


would never ever leave a bug out bag in a wehicle  mignt as well leave an invotation to break in and steal it


 


 


 


 


 


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 Again, negivtave comments arn't welcome. Im not an officer therefor I was asking your expert opinion. Ive never made a B.O.B. so I don't know what people usally do. Ive heard of dozens of people putting one in there car. 

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 Again, negivtave comments arn't welcome. Im not an officer therefor I was asking your expert opinion. Ive never made a B.O.B. so I don't know what people usally do. Ive heard of dozens of people putting one in there car. 


 


 


OH, REALLY?  You have the audacity to ask for expert opinions and then get pissy when they give them?  Who do you think you are?  Grow  up, build a bridge and get over it. Or move on.


 


 


 



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 Again, negivtave comments arn't welcome. Im not an officer therefor I was asking your expert opinion. Ive never made a B.O.B. so I don't know what people usally do. Ive heard of dozens of people putting one in there car. 



Eric, what comments are you referring to as being "Negative". Unless someone deleted their comment, I didn't see any. You asked for an expert opinion, and you got them. It is strongly recommended to not leave a weapon in your vehicle when you are away from the vehicle. That's just giving the bad guy another weapon when they steal the vehicle, and puts us in worse danger.


As suggested by TheSarge, check with the laws in your state about weapons in the vehicle.


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i really didn't know is i was going to respond to this after your comments however;  Lets take it from the top, TheSarge answered your exact question professionally and accurately as pertaining to laws in most states.  Now lets have a few answers to a few questions of mine and along with those questions, a few hints.  A bug out bag is usually a knapsack device that one would keep in his home, pretty much packed and ready to go with just a few additions, to get out of dodge quickly and bug out to a safe area, retreat, camp, or other bug out location to escape either a man-made or natural disaster, Katrina, forest fires, and maybe an upcoming WROL (without rule of law) event, civil disturbance caused by total blackout of electric grid, the release of a biologic attack etc. The situations are very varied and one only has to go on youtube or national geographic and watch preppers and survivalists prepare and offer varied advice and instruction.  If that is your desire, to prepare a bug out bag, you need not keep your weapon in your car until it is bug out time and then follow sarge's advice and drive to your bug out location and hunker down for the duration.  Since you live in Michigan, i was wondering what you wanted a rifle for? is it to provide food for the table or a self protection device? Are you proficient with long guns and shotguns? Your needs would dictate what type of weapon to carry with you.  Remember, your vehicle may, while bugging out, become disabled or trappen on a highway and you may be forced to abandon it and hoof it on foot for some distance to your bug out location and you definately do not want to look like john j rambo, all cammied up, with an ar strapped to your pack, you will just make yourself a target. If you feel you need a serious weapon for survival, it can be cached at your bug out site already. If you feel you may need a defensive weapon while traveling from your home to the bug out site, I would suggest you apply for a license to carry a firearm (a sidearm), train with it, and let that be your personal defense weapon while travelling.  As to a suggestion for a rifle for survival, I would suggest a .22 such as a ruger 10/22 or an AR--7 platform, both break down and be easily stashed in a backpack and ammo is cheap, plentiful, light to carry.  A .22 can take down a dear, great for varmints of most sizes, is already quiet enough so as not to give away your location and hide site and can be modified more. Also, a .22 can take down a person easily at up to 200 yds and since most firefights occur way under 100 yds, i would say you have a winner there.  Well, I gotta go take care of some business so i will leave you with this to ponder on, i shall return though and discuss with you that maybe what you are looking for is a get home bag, a bag which you will carry in your vehicle to help you get home during an emergency and from there either bunker down at home or load up the bug out bag and gitty up.  and please, lose the thin skin, this is a big boys site and you were already on the defensive when you posted in your original question "please no negative comments".  hope this gave you pause for thought.   m.

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Bump rypete and 36TR.  Not sure what "negivtave" comments the OP is referring to - I didn't see any.


From his avatar, he's a security guard.


Dude, I'm a security guy too, and the only reason I can see for a bugout bag would be if you need to get to work from a location other than home, if you don't keep your uniforms at work.  Plus, like my esteemed friends have said, I'm hesitant to leave anything valuable in a vehicle, especially a weapon or anything that could be stolen and used for fraudulent purposes.  For personal stuff, my question would be why do you need a BOB?  If you want one, more power to you - just be sensible and comply with all your applicable laws.

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First, I'm sorry for my "no negative comments". I was wrong for saying that. Your all right I asked for your professional opinion, and that's what I got. Second, Mikiesplace your right, what I need in my car is a "get home bag". I plan to get a ar-7 for a BOB. I do carry when im not working. But if you could PM me Mikieplace about a GHB that would be great, From now on I wont have a thin skin. Again I'm sorry. 

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hey eric, thanks for the reply.  We all, at some time or another have maybe written or said something we were sorry for. You recognized your temporary lapse in judgement and have corrected it with a nice appology.  It shows maturity to stand up and admit it when we err.  Now to a Get home Bag.  What a get home bag is exactly that.  Something that would get you home when normal travel or circumstances do not permit. I remember a former airforce colonel commenting that though it would not have saved all or most or even a few of those who tragically died in the towers on 9/11, can you imagine the amount of replays we would have watched had one of those trapped on the upper floors, above the fire zone, been a base jumper and had leaped with the over 250 other poor folks but pulled his cord and floated to safety in the streets below. Why would one with the skills of being a  base jumper or parachuter maybe keep a chute stored in the closet of his office on the 110th floor of a tall building?  because normal travel or circumstances do not permit his normal way of travel home.  I know many companies that sell and some companies that provide to their employees with highrise self rescue kits which include flashlights, chem lights, smoke hoods which cover the head and allow temporary breathing while escapeing down in a high rise fire and other devices. This is an extreme example of get  home bags in an urban environment for folks working in tall buildings. But i am sure what most of are talking about  when we talk about GHB is what we may need to carry in our vehicle when suddenly we cant drive that one hour and 15 minute drive home which equates to 60plus miles due to a natural or man made disaster. I spoke of this in another forum recently, I had mentioned that i had wondered how many people who live on long island new york and make that 50plus mile commute to and from New York City daily packed a get home bag. Last winter on a midweek day,  the snow started early in the day and the drive to work for the commuters was bearable.  However, for the afternoon drive home, the snow had picked up in intensity, winds were causing huge drifts, snow plows were unable to keep up with clearing the roads.  Soon roads were impassable with stalled cars, accidents, vehicles running out of fuel while waiting as traffic backed up more and more and the snow got over the 3 foot height with drifting. Now i can assure you that most of these folks wear nice clothing such as suits and dresses for their work in the big apple business world, but how long do you think they will survive if they have to abandon their vehicles and attempt to walk to safety or try to hunker down in their vehicle till rescue. Remember, those vehicles get like iceboxes without adequate fuel to keep those engines running and if  you do have a full tank, you have to go out occasionally to clear the snow and debris from the exhaust pipe or another problem will arise. This is just one or two examples of why a get home bag,  specifically designed and stocked by you personally, to enable your survival depending on your specific and individual needs and concerns.  The people working on the 110th floor of the WTC would have a different GHB than one would pack in his vehicle working outside san diego california to one working 20 miles outside of buffalo ny in the winter months.  Yeah, change of seasons will dictate a change of gear necessary in our Get Home Bags.  This is my part one of Get Home Bags in response to your request. Part 2 to follow shortly after a trip to the local store for more Corona's and limes. All this typing can make a man thirsty.

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 Thank you Mikiesplace, part one was awesome. Do you write survival books?


 


 

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Survival books? Nah, well maybe you could look at most that i write, my ole war stories and tales are ultimately meant to educate, plant seeds for thought.  To provoke my brothers and sistas to think the WHAT IF. What would i do in that situation? How can i prepare myself to survive, to control the situation, to ensure my fellow officers and I all go home at the end of our tour. Here is a side tale brought on by the most recent episode of BLUE BLOODS:  (by the way, i have stocked up on Beer, all the chores done, so this may end up being a long rant).


Last friday nite, the most recent episode of Blue Bloods was broadcast and i know i had written something on policelink years earlier about survival in a potential officer hostage situation. When i was still pretty much a rookie, working a sector car in the 77th precinct (bed-stuy do or die) with my partner Jack, i was and still am a voracious reader, Cop stories were on the top of my list of course. Joe Waumbaugh a retired LAPD Cop had and has written many novels. One of his first and to which i am referring to was THE ONION FIELD. Long story short, this book tells of two LAPD officers in a situation where one officer has a gun to his head and the bad guy orders his partner to drop his own firearm or watch his partner be killed, sadly the officer surrenders his weapon and both cops are executed.  WHAT IF... I read the part to Jack while we were parked on a side street and we developed a plan, a strategy, in case we should ever find ourselves in such a situation. SURRENDER OF OUR WEAPONS TO A BAD GUY WAS OUT OF THE QUESTION.  What we came up with was a simple plan.  If confronted with a hostage situation, the still armed officer would move in a way as to enable him to get the best shot possible all the while talking to the perp, trying to calm the situation and bargain with the bad guy to release the hostage officer.  AS SOON AS THE ARMED OFFICER, WHILE SPEAKING, UTTERS HIS PARTNERS NAME (the one being held hostage) THE HOSTAGE WOULD IMMEDIATELY GO FAINT, DEAD WEIGHT IN THE PERPS ARMS, AT WHICH TIME THE ARMED OFFICER WOULD DRAW AND FIRE  AND PUT THE PERP DOWN.  We tried it many times with all sizes of brother officers playing the bad guy, and Jack and I taking turns being hostage or shooter.  It worked every time.  As soon as Jack, while talking to calm the bad guy, says MIKE, I am immediately limp, full dead weight, and sliding down past the bad guys hips while Jack had drawn and done the deed.  Putting the bad guy down. The TV show, Blue Bloods showed a similar situation.  Detective is confronted with hostage situation where his sister is  being held,  it turns out all through their childhood, their father had taught them a phrase that when uttered, would cause you to hit the deck immediately. Sure as anything, it worked, bad guy down, planning for WHAT IF won again. Preplanning and preperation and training will make the difference.  Most humans are pretty much alike, it is the preperation and training that makes one prevail over the other. How's that for an opening for part 2 of putting together a get home bag?    to be continued shortly after a word from our sponsors...   m.

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So, part 2 of a GET HOME BAG or what shall be now known as a GHB to save my typing fingers.  Hopefully we have addressed and readers now understand the difference between a BOB or BUG OUT BAG and a GHB.  A bug out bag should be 90% packed and ready to go in your household. It is normally used to get out of dodge,  to evacuate your home during times of man made or natural disasters and periods of  Civil disobedience. It is used to get you to a new safe environment where you can sit out the storm so to speak.. Not only is the preperation of a BOB and its maintenance suggested (hurricaines sandy, katrina, Colorado flooding) but a place to evacuate to, routes to be taken (always plan alternates-REDUNDANCY) and hopefully a prepositioning of supplies at your bug out site are all recommended.


A GHB is a small, light backpack which will carry necessary gear to get you home safely usually from a workplace. Size and weight constraints should always be a consideration as most likely a GHB will end up on your back and attempting to carry a 60lb pack thru a snowstorm is counterproductive. Also remember it really does a woman no good to have a GHB stashed in the trunk of her vehicle parked in a lot 3 blocks from her office building when she works on the 70th floor of that building, is wearing 3inch heels and no flashlight. A small gym bag with running shoes, flashlight, maybe a pair of work gloves, industrial dust mask and goggles in the corner of her office closet would help ensure her making it to her vehicle and GHB cache.


Each and every GHB should be different and constantly being upgraded and refined. How far you travel from home on a daily basis, what type of environment do you travel from, through, and to is important. Weather and seasons should cause changes in your GHB. You cannot pack gear to address all circumstances. Someone who works just 5 miles from home and takes public transportation to work can easily get by with a small shoulder bag carring a bottle of water,a candy bar, sneakers and a flashlight and pepper spray.  Constantly educate yourself and evolve and update your gear. A most important factor in your gear should be that you MAINTAIN A LOW PROFILE AND ATTEMPT TO BLEND IN. No tactical gear or cammo especially in an urban setting. You do not want to make yourself a target for the WOLVES. Be redundant if your preps. Most folks should have a knife and flashlight among other things on their person always, what we call EVERY DAY CARRY  or EDC. A back up flashlight with spare batteries and a fixed blade knife would definately be part of my GHB. A removeable highly reflective leg band attached to your pack can make it easy to find in a dark or smoky atmosphere and after you have located your pack,  put the reflective band on your wrist or leg to assist rescuers or others to find or follow you to safety (sheep or sheepdog?). Earlier on i had spoken about people who commute 60plus miles per day to work,  this is not abnormal.  A human walking in good weather, NOT DEEP SNOW, can cover hopefully 3 miles per hour, so after 12 hours, you are gonna have to hunker down, rest, eat and drink something, and prepare to finish your remaining 24 miles to go.  In a blizzard as i described in the Long Island New York scene last year, you cannot walk one mile in a day through 3plus feet of driving snow without adequate clothing, goggles, ski poles, snow shoes etc.. And remember alot of people use public transportation to go to work, remember the pictures of people walking out of southern manhattan during 9/11 and women carrying their high heels in hand walking barefoot across the brooklyn bridge? How about being in a subway system when the power is black out and you happen to have a chem light stick and small flashlight in your briefcase or shoulderbag. Below i will list somethings i would consider packing in my get home bag, maybe look over the suggested items and see what may fit into your personal needs to get you home safe. Remember if  you have your vehicle with you at the start of you get home trek, such things as running or hiking shoes, change of clothing suitable for season, spare water, etc can already be cached in your car or truck .


Pack should be a backpack of neutral color to blend in, a water botte filled, an alternate way to filter water, removable reflective leg bands, at least one load bearing carabiner, a large hankerchief, a 2"pillar candle in holder, a minimum 50' paracord, leatherman  or comperable multi tool, 2 forms of firestarter,an emergency radio, preferably a hand crank such as dynamo or grundig, pepperspray,whistle, signal mirror,compass,flashlight with spare batteries,chem light sticks,gloves-work variety such as mechanix, sunglasses, small first aid kit,firearm(check local laws), super glue and gorilla tape, and at  least one meal plus nutrient bars, candy bars, hot chocolate and maybe some chicken boullion cubes with a stainless cup for cooking meal and water.  sneakers or hiking shoes with a spare set of good socks should round out your ghb.  I sincerely hope this article has given some to think about what they keep available to them during their everyday travels.  Be safe out there my brothers and sistas.     m.


 


 

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LOL @ MIKIE "typing finger saving" abbreviations along with his wonderfully detailed (decidedly not "typing finger saving") tutorial.


BTW--GHB (Get Home Bag) should not to be confused with Gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid aka "the date rape drug".


Hat tip to Mikie for handling this question like a gentleman.




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Mikie bows head in abject sign of humility. 

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Wow, very detailed and very very helpful. Thanks Mike, stay safe out there brother.

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I seldom post anymore but man I came very close to going off on Eric! I am glad I continued to read the posts and didn't just savage Eric for the "negative comments" remark. Thank you for the apology Eric, that was mature of you and also well called for and handled. Yeah, the Sarge and frankly the rest of the guys were spot on about the BOB etc. I completely agree, never leave a weapon in your vehicle unless it is secured in a locking bracket or in a container that cannot be opened nor can it be removed from the vehicle without a key or a combination.

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Those are CA rules, only thing WA requires is they may not be loaded. Which reinforces check the OP's local laws


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Check with the laws in your state. Generally, you cannot carry a rifle in the passenger compartment of a vehicle. It needs to be unloaded and stowed in the trunk. The ammo needs to be in a separate and secure container. 



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