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Posted about 1 year ago

 

First, I must say that though I don't have a "badge" next to my avatar here on PL, I am a sworn officer.  I understand that without this aforementioned "badge", my statements will be taken less seriously than those issued by someone with it.  That's understandable, and expected.


 


I have noticed lately (in the last few months) that it seems like sworn personnel are too quick to pounce upon someone who may be asking a legitimate question.  Don't get me wrong, I know there are trolls among those who post questions.  My issue is that this further reinforces the negative stereotype that police are agressive and overly judgemental.


 


I think there are better ways to deal with these folks.  If it's a question that can be answered without giving away L.E. sensitive information, why not answer it with a disclaimer that additional research should be done?  When someone "Googles" a question (as many are directed to do when they ask a question in the forums on PL) did you know PL is often one of the first sites that comes up?  That is why some end up here.


 


So, if they are asking a question as any other citizen would (who isn't as familiar with LE as many of us are) why can't they get a respectful answer as someone would if they approached you while you were on duty?  If you feel they are a troll, report them and politely decline to answer their question.  This is one (of very few times) where we as police officers can "kill'em with kindness". 


 


Just my humble opinion......what do you think


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You are preaching to the choir gn13, I have often brought up this very same suubject. Thank you for bringing back up. Hopefully some will listen.


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I think the kind sworn officers (whether they have the verification star or not) need to step up more and show they are actually in the majority--which I believe (hope?) is the case. Thanks for doing your part.




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Hostile?  Here on PL?  I think it may be a matter of perception.  I am all about answering legitimate questions here on PL.  I am also all about mentoring on this site.  I have mentored to many who are interested in LE careers and I have even mentored to those seeking answers to questions about the trouble they have found themselves in because of the choices they have made.  Many times my answers are accepted while other times, maybe not so much.  While I give useful information, I do not tolerate s-t-u-p-i-d either.  I offer encouragement where warranted but I do not pull punches or sugar coat my answers simply to spare the widdle feewings of the poster from being butt hurt.  If they choose to be butt hurt by my answer, that is their choice.  Everyone chooses how they will respond.  Sometimes the truth just hurts and I can't help or change that.  I can't help that some people may not really want to hear the obvious answers to the question(s) they ask.  I can't help that some of the people who find their way to this site after making some very illadvised life choices and now seek validation for those choices as they attempt to fulfill their "lifelong dream" to be in LE.  I will not make or give someone validation or excuses for their bad behaviors or the choices they have made.  I do the same in my career dealing with juvenile offenders.  Sometimes you have to have the serious, no nonsense, matter of fact approach and get the preverbial foot in their fleshy hindquarters in order to start the ball rolling and effect change in their behaviors before the real mentoring or teaching begins.  I have had many get upset or butt hurt at first only to have them tell me later that no one, including parents, have ever talked to them like that before and what I said caused them to think once the original shock wore off.  Many have changed their behaviors while others chose not to listen, have admitted to me that they should have listened.  It's all perception.

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Ditto to SkoolCop. I totally agree. Many do not get the response they seek and close their accounts. I do not believe in sugar coating.

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gn13, i do know exactly what you are referring to. I will admit that i have read some posts on various topics where i have had a "WHOA "moment. That snap back of the head and the "what tha?". and ya gotta go back and reread what you have just read again. I also am aware of not calling out one another on this site. I know bill has taken a very active roll in monitoring alot of the recent threads and conversations and has been right on in calling time outs so to speak. I think with the help of a few more moderators to assist bill and tim, maybe after a few members get a pm to cool it, we can selfpolice our passions. There are alot of egos in any police department locker room and there are some here on policelink. It doesnt make us bad, it is the alpha personallity most of us possess, it is  what helps us survive out there. Hows about some of that ole "do unto others" kinda stuff.   m.

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6/26/13


 


Skoolcop, I am not referring to members gining legitamate answers to questions, I am talking about when someone new comes on and asks what we might consider a dumb question the gang jumps on the wagon and brow beats that person. Like I have said in the past, let them go, watch their behavior and then if they are a troll call out the troops.


Many times I have gone to Google looking for something only to be pointed to PoliceLink. of course I go further down the list looking for different answers that don't end up here.


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 BUMP!!!!  I have stated the same thing before on this topic in other threads.  


Awesome topic.


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I dunno. Maybe I'm just as bored by those who castigate lazy short-cutters as I am by those who castigate castigators.  lol


As a student who has been assigned many criminal justice research projects, I kind of resent it when it appears another student is short-cutting the labor involved in legitimate research by using a social websites as convenience.  My cop profs made me go out there and get it. I remember a particular ret FBI who NEVER answered anything, just sent me back out again. What a taskmaster!  I LOVED it!


Anyway, I wonder how short-cutters plan to corroborate Forums-derived material or cite their sources if they have NO idea who is answering them.  So yeah, it looks sloppy! 


Having said that, LEOs don't need to tear a helpless 'short-cutter' a new one. They can post a brief answer or not and just let them stew in their juices.  Or, as Skoolcop often does, post a detailed post. Gotta love it.


 


 


 


 

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Castigate, what a lovely word. 


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Rated +1 | Posted about 1 year ago

 

Possibly, DonnaLynn, you should be castigated hardest for your stout denial. Keep protesting your innocence!  lol


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DonnaLynn says ...



Castigate, what a lovely word. 


I'm innocent!  That's all I'm saying. 



Word of the day?  YIKES

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Rate This | Posted about 1 year ago

 

I agree but also most 1st posters are proving themselves to be badge bunnies and trolls more often then not.

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6/26/13


 


Skoolcop, I am not referring to members gining legitamate answers to questions, I am talking about when someone new comes on and asks what we might consider a dumb question the gang jumps on the wagon and brow beats that person. Like I have said in the past, let them go, watch their behavior and then if they are a troll call out the troops.


Many times I have gone to Google looking for something only to be pointed to PoliceLink. of course I go further down the list looking for different answers that don't end up here.


 


This is one of the reasons I think we end up with so many people asking questions here on PL. Also, I am only referring to people exhibiting at least moderately good behavior.  If someone is obviously causing trouble, then by all means shut them down.  However, even instances related to obvious trolls, we can remain the better people.  We don't have to stoop to their level by arguing with them in a thread just to have them close their account or get booted.  That can happen without a single LEO (or other PL member) losing their temper.  Again, we are (and should remain) the better and more respectful people.  Just my take, though.....



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I am w/ you gn13.  I have made mention of this subject before, stating that sometimes the LEO members can be overly harsh towards new members/citizens who are simply asking a question - I believe the term I used to describe the LEO members aggressive tones and/or statements to be "Rodney Kinging" the new member!  LOL.  I, along w/ you, do not have a badge next to my avatar; I tried to get verified, but b/c I am not a LEO, only a Probation Officer, I was denied.  However, I still believe that I can be a valuable asset to the site, even without the verification.

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I am in agreement with the premise of this topic. In fact, I have posted a number of 'take it easy'-type discussions in how to handle noobs who ask elementary questions without much of a history. 


Again, I would suggest, with gn13, that we give people some rope.


I illustrated the 'dumb question' thing by asking our peeps this: At work, if a citizen asked you a dumb question, would you tell them to drive to 123 Elm Street and ask them there because you answered it once a few months ago and they have the answer? No, you just go answer the question, dumb or legit, forget about it and go about your business. It's what we do. To ask someone to research it on our site doesn't give the petitioner a fresh answer.


Also, I recently took a couple of online courses. In some of the requirements I saw the thing we see here: "Go to an place or find a person and ask them the following questions." For some criminal justice students, they inquire online, discover PoliceLink, come here and look for someone to interview. I think collectively we have always thought they should go in person to create the interview. BUT, what is the harm in answering 10 questions from your keyboard? If they get too probing, then I wave them off. If the questions are opinions and such, yeah, I can answer them. If the instructor wants to verify the conversation, the student needs to provide a link to my profile. Simple.


As far as hostile, most of us are territorial around here and tend to keep the the gate closed to noobs. Some of the jabs are just folks putting up the shield and wanting a peaceful place to put up their feet. It's not a closed environment but we do keep an eye on people....


And to the folks who might too quickly shut someone down, yeah, give them a little rope. We'll know when to give it a tug. We're a lot more clever than we will acknowledge. 



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Good reply Sarge.I have also seen this and felt embarrassed by it. As you said, is it not easier just to answer the question then go and look it up and then bad-mouth him and tell him it was answered way back when and making the poster go back and find the answer. More often than not they won't, they will simply leave the website. As The Sarge said, treat them like you would a civilian who walks up to you in public and appear professional.


 

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Good reply Sarge.I have also seen this and felt embarrassed by it. As you said, is it not easier just to answer the question then go and look it up and then bad-mouth him and tell him it was answered way back when and making the poster go back and find the answer. More often than not they won't, they will simply leave the website. As The Sarge said, treat them like you would a civilian who walks up to you in public and appear professional.


 


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TheSarge says ...



Robocop33 says ...



Good reply Sarge.I have also seen this and felt embarrassed by it. As you said, is it not easier just to answer the question then go and look it up and then bad-mouth him and tell him it was answered way back when and making the poster go back and find the answer. More often than not they won't, they will simply leave the website. As The Sarge said, treat them like you would a civilian who walks up to you in public and appear professional.


 


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How do I appear professional wearing flip-flops, beach shorts and a worn out Giants batting practice hat?


 


Sarge,


I'd pay more attention if you were decked out in Niners gears 



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Good topic,  try and take questions more or less seriously when I choose to reply if they seem legitmate.


TheSarge, it doesn't matter how you look, it's how you act that is a true test of professionalism (I know I'm preaching to the choir LOL).

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TheSarge says ...



Robocop33 says ...



Good reply Sarge.I have also seen this and felt embarrassed by it. As you said, is it not easier just to answer the question then go and look it up and then bad-mouth him and tell him it was answered way back when and making the poster go back and find the answer. More often than not they won't, they will simply leave the website. As The Sarge said, treat them like you would a civilian who walks up to you in public and appear professional.


 


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How do I appear professional wearing flip-flops, beach shorts and a worn out Giants batting practice hat?


 


Sarge,


I'd pay more attention if you were decked out in Niners gears 


 


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Oh-oh, no you dinnint. I've got a trunk load of Niner stuff. In fact I have a stadium coat that I will be selling. We are on the precipice of the last season of the 49ers in Candlestick. So, yeah, we're there...just not the season quite yet.


Now what was the question that was originally asked....?



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 Sarge, thanks for "stopping by" this thread and giving your 2 cents on this.  Now if we could just get you rooting for a better NFL team.....


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gn13 says ...



 Sarge, thanks for "stopping by" this thread and giving your 2 cents on this.  Now if we could just get you rooting for a better NFL team.....


 


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Whoa-whoa-whooooooa. A better team?Uh, no. With Kaepernick at the helm, we should be heading the direction of the Super Bowl. Seattle will be tough though.



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Good topic...what I find more disturbing , is when none LEO's give advice about the job...