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Hi All


i decided to write this post after reading a discussion about non-citizens and noticed something that hit a soft spot and thought i would reply to it on the forum in question only to find out it had been locked, so i shall mention it here in its own forum. One member (non-citizen of the US), simply asked for constructive infomation on the process of becoming a LEO in the US. Most people who did reply to the thread did give info that was helpful and some said it was going to be a hard task, all of which is correct and i find no problem with it.


I did however notice a comment by a couple of members (and i have noticed it more and more on policelink forums as well as other website forums), that some US citizens feel very strongly against the idea of having a non-us citizen wear a badge, carry a gun and have access to certain info or places. First off, I myself am not a US citizen but it has been a dream of mine since a young boy to be a policeman in USA. I have a major passion for anything American, I watch all your sport and have teams i support and i admire anyone who has visited, lived or is currently living in the US. Even more so i have the highest level of respect and a deep deep admiration for any man or woman who puts on their badge every morning and goes and does their job everyday by putting their life on the line for complete strangers. I RESPECT and SALUTE you.


My dream to become a LEO started when a family friends life was taken from us in a very very violent and gruesome manner, the offenders were caught but were given lighter sentences and one got off without a sentence due to the forensic team at the crime scene putting all eveidence into one bag and compromising the case!!! it is blatant ignorance and incompetence like that which makes me want to join the force of competent departments who know how to do the job such as the ones in the USA, and to help solve cases so families under the same circumstances do not have to experience what i have experienced.


i would like to say that i find it very self-centred and ignorant that comments like this would be posted, to some it might seem a small topic i am blowing out of proportion, but to others who have been abroad and seen countries such as mine (South Africa), will know how hard it is to live on a daily basis with such high crime rates (someone murdered every 60 seconds and someone raped every 20 seconds) and it is only getting worse. the reason people like me and other immigrants want to move to USA is to give ourselves and our families a better life. we want to be protected by competent and respectful policeman. It is not a crime to want that for us and our families, but yet everytime we post a thread or topic regarding the matter we are looked down upon and treated as if we are criminals that are not coming to your country to do good. I fully understand why alot of US citizens are paranoid about "outsiders", but please do not treat us as criminals. You have thousands coming across your borders illegally on a monthly basis (not a allegation but a proven fact), but yet you want to treat the ones coming legally who are looking for honest jobs as the criminals?


My personal opinion on the fact is that US citizens should be given preference over immigrants in any form of employment and i support that notion fully, but in the cases where a non-citizen are given the chance in LE dont you think it is fine seeing as 99% of departments have such rigorous selection and screening tests done on applicants? these tests are done in order to weed out the bad elements or ones that arent cut out for the work and the ones that make it through surely they are competent enough? if they meet the standards of the department who is screening then why should they not meet your personal standards?


This is my personal opinion, please feel free to oppose it or agree with it. but at the same time just remember that us "outsiders" join this site simply to speak to the people we respect who LEO's in the country we want to become a part of. So please do not discriminate against us

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sir, i understand, i think, where you are coming from. However in your 2nd and 5th paragraph you have answered your own question. One of the first rules in law enforcement applications is that applicant be a United States Citizen. period. You can have the highest goals but if you are not a citizen, you cannot even take an entrance exam. And just to add, if you will take some time and read alot of the posts by many members here and on other sites, there are literally thousands seeking these jobs who are naturalized citizens, who have college degrees and whom have fought for our country and are on waiting lists to as many departments and organizations as they can apply to.

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I'm not going to respond for any other members of this site. I will not apologize for comments made by other members (who may or may not be LEO). This is an international, public forum. That means that we welcome members from all over the world. Anyone who posts anything derogatory or discriminatory is generally called out immediately by some of the most well-respected senior members of this site.


As for members openly discriminating against foreign born persons for desiring to become police officers in this country, I suggest you ignore them for being the ignorant fools they no doubt are. I welcome ANYONE who wishes to become a police officer regardless of country of birth. Agencies set their standards for employment. If you meet those standards and are lucky enough to get hired, that's good enough for me.


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BigNTS says ...



I'm not going to respond for any other members of this site. I will not apologize for comments made by other members (who may or may not be LEO). This is an international, public forum. That means that we welcome members from all over the world. Anyone who posts anything derogatory or discriminatory is generally called out immediately by some of the most well-respected senior members of this site.


As for members openly discriminating against foreign born persons for desiring to become police officers in this country, I suggest you ignore them for being the ignorant fools they no doubt are. I welcome ANYONE who wishes to become a police officer regardless of country of birth. Agencies set their standards for employment. If you meet those standards and are lucky enough to get hired, that's good enough for me.


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Thank you to both your replies, bigNTS your reply was very understanding and shows what a respectful individual you are and which ever department you are employed with is lucky to have you. Mikiesplace i appreciate your reply as well and i understand and am aware that the requirements are to be a US citizen but thats beside the fact, whether the Citizenship requirement applies or not it was the personal opinions of certain individuals that offended me and other members. Please understand by no means was i disrespecting or opposing the law to be a US citizen to work LE, i fully accept and respect that requirement. It was just a problem with members openly stating their negative opinions on immigrants

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One thing I've learned over the years is that we live in a society that encourages idiots to speak out when they should just shut up. My mother always told me that if I don't have anything nice to say, I shouldn't say anything at all. Now with the wave of technology constantly changing and the prevalence of instant interaction through social media and such, these idiots pop up just about everywhere. Don't let them bother you. They live lonely lives and the only joy they get is from insulting others.


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If I wanted to relocate to South Africa and become a police officer would I be required to hold citizenship. Viewing your other post I only noticed comments that citizenship is required in the USA to become a police officer. This is a matter of fact and not discrimination. Please comment.

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BigNTS says ...



One thing I've learned over the years is that we live in a society that encourages idiots to speak out when they should just shut up. My mother always told me that if I don't have anything nice to say, I shouldn't say anything at all. Now with the wave of technology constantly changing and the prevalence of instant interaction through social media and such, these idiots pop up just about everywhere. Don't let them bother you. They live lonely lives and the only joy they get is from insulting others.



Nick, I think our mothers must have know each other, mine always said the same thing. (of course I don't see your mom telling you to act like a lady, which mine was always saying as well LOL)


 


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What's next? A non-citizen President!  Oh, well, now that I think about it....nevermind! lol

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uncledennis1 says ...



If I wanted to relocate to South Africa and become a police officer would I be required to hold citizenship. Viewing your other post I only noticed comments that citizenship is required in the USA to become a police officer. This is a matter of fact and not discrimination. Please comment.



UncleD I concur. How does an agency of say........3 conduct a background investigation of an immigrant from South Africa.......or any other foreign country for that matter? The resources are not available for that type of thing, hence that person would be passed over for someone else. It's not descriminatory, it's logical.


You can't cure stupid.

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I wish the OP had referenced the "discriminatory" posts/threads.  Just because someone doesn't want a Naturalized Citizen to be a police officer does not make them bad.  I worked with a guy from England.  He became a citizen and married his pen-pal from 4th grade.  Great story there, but my point is this fellow was a top notch cop! 


Everyone has something that gets them up on their soap box.  Maybe all the illegal ailens pouring into this country and bleeding us dry or the others blowing us up makes some people rant. 


Good luck to you.


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Bump again! 


 


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BigNTS says ...



I'm not going to respond for any other members of this site. I will not apologize for comments made by other members (who may or may not be LEO). This is an international, public forum. That means that we welcome members from all over the world. Anyone who posts anything derogatory or discriminatory is generally called out immediately by some of the most well-respected senior members of this site.


As for members openly discriminating against foreign born persons for desiring to become police officers in this country, I suggest you ignore them for being the ignorant fools they no doubt are. I welcome ANYONE who wishes to become a police officer regardless of country of birth. Agencies set their standards for employment. If you meet those standards and are lucky enough to get hired, that's good enough for me.



"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

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uncledennis1 says ...



If I wanted to relocate to South Africa and become a police officer would I be required to hold citizenship. Viewing your other post I only noticed comments that citizenship is required in the USA to become a police officer. This is a matter of fact and not discrimination. Please comment.



UncleD I concur. How does an agency of say........3 conduct a background investigation of an immigrant from South Africa.......or any other foreign country for that matter? The resources are not available for that type of thing, hence that person would be passed over for someone else. It's not descriminatory, it's logical.



Hey Guys.. question here.. are you saying that you have to be a US Citizen to become a Police Officer in the USA? Because you don't have to be a US Citizen to Serve in the US Military.  I would think that most Agencies would just want you to have the Documentation, showing permanent residence status, however I guess that could vary by department.  Let me know your thoughts on this, because maybe I am not understanding the statement.  


 


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The City of Los Angeles requires that a Police Officer candidate be a United States citizen, or that a non-citizen be a permanent resident alien who, in accordance with the requirements of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), is eligible and has applied for citizenship.


During the selection process, each non-citizen is required to prove that USCIS accepted his/her application for citizenship prior to the date the Police Officer written test was taken.


California State law (CA Govt Code Sections 1031 and 1031.5) requires that citizenship be granted within three years after the employment application date. For information regarding citizenship requirements, contact the USCIS.


California Vehicle Code Section 2267 requires that Highway Patrol Officer be citizens at time of appointment.


I also saw on another website dedicated to LEO job requirements, that citizenship requirements can vary from State to State.  They can also depend on job title/description.


Catwoman,


There are provisions to obtain citizenship through honorable military service.  h t t p://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=26d805a25c4c4210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=ce613e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD

 

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I have never read a post on here nor seen any discrimination of any kind, not saying it has not happened.

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uncledennis1 says ...



If I wanted to relocate to South Africa and become a police officer would I be required to hold citizenship. Viewing your other post I only noticed comments that citizenship is required in the USA to become a police officer. This is a matter of fact and not discrimination. Please comment.


 


To be honest you would probably not be required to have citizenship, South african police department is in a shambles, crime is on a major increase and criminals know they will get away with their unlawful actions. It has just recently been discovered that some officers are taxi bosses and if you know the taxi situation in South Africa, taxi's are a major cause of violent and non violent crimes. People in South Africa are more scared of the police than the criminals, it is for this exact reason i would like to work and live for good in The States.


im not saying the law to have citizenship is discriminatory, i am saying members are being discriminative 


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Hi all, i would just like to set something straight. I stated before and i will state again. When i say discriminination, i am not reffereing to the law or rule that departments have regarding citizenship, I fully understand and accept that fact! What i am referring to as discriminatory is members on this site looking down on "outsiders", i intend on going the whole 9 yards to gain citizenship and doing it legally, i just dont respect the fact some members have disrespectful things to say

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I (we) wish, and have stated, that we would like for you to give some (more than one please) forinstance of such discriminatory statements as you describe so we may have a better understanding of what you are referring to.  Please.


as a side note, and this is my personal response to many newbies who feel that they are somehow being discriminated against or bullied. Let us imagine you are a new freshman college student, just graduated high school and here on  your first day at college, after doing administrative tasks go into the lunchroom/cafeteria and sit down at a large table filled with what is evidently many college professsors and instructors, and instead of either introducting yourself, asking permission to join the group at the table and then enjoying your meal and sitting quietly, listening and learning, You begin to interject you opinions and make comments on topics you most likely have no real grasp of and no real experience in.  However in this day and age, many younger, less mature and less experienced folks just like to jump right in without looking around, quietly and easing their way through the front door. 


A further example is: You would be surprised at how many folks joining policelink have been lurking about for awhile before making their first posts but HAVE NEVER TAKEN THE TIME TO READ SOME OF THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, and SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW MEMBERS AND SUCH AS POSTED ON THE FORUMS PAGE, nor THE TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT POSTED ON THE BOTTOM OF ALL PAGES, nor HAVE READ OTHER MEMBERS POSTINGS ON THE INTRODUCTION FORUMS TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE AND WHAT WORKS IN POSTING AN INTRO OF ONESELF.


AND FINALLY, IF YOU ARE WISHING TO BECOME AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND BECOME A POLICE/LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, I WOULD HOPE YOU TAKE MY WORDS AS GOOD ADVICE AND FURTHER GROW SOME THICK SKIN BECAUSE AMERICA IS A VERY DIVERSE AND OPEN SOCIETY BUT CAN BE KINDA RUDE AND NON TOLERANT OF IGNORANCE AND NON CONFORMITY.


Best of luck in your lifes pursuits.  m.

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Hi all, i would just like to set something straight. I stated before and i will state again. When i say discriminination, i am not reffereing to the law or rule that departments have regarding citizenship, I fully understand and accept that fact! What i am referring to as discriminatory is members on this site looking down on "outsiders", i intend on going the whole 9 yards to gain citizenship and doing it legally, i just dont respect the fact some members have disrespectful things to say



 And you still have not cited one instance of this "discriminatory behavior" with reference to the topic it was posted (a link would be nice)....


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Non-US Citizens are not allowed to possess firearms. (at least in the States I am familiar with) If you cannot possess a firearm, how in the world could you be a cop? Now for anyone who talks about the US Military not requiring you being a citizen, that falls under a different ruling but even then, they are not allowed to possess a firearm outside of their duties such as if they wish to go hunting game animals etc. This is the same ruling that allows men and women to serve that are under 21 but who are not allowed to possess a firearm in many states! Bottom line is this, if you wish to become a LEO in the United States, get your citizenship first and also make darn sure you are very fluent in our speech and even our saying that may be of local origin.

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I'm kinda fond of people with an Ozarks twang.Love my daughter-in-laws Joysey accent and my nieces Texas lingo.Guess that's being prejudiced.