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Poll: do you think any one has the right to grab your arm and shove u agnst the wall?

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I'm still laughing from a CNA referring to a "rotator cup."  Me likes this story.  

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Again, a CNA is not a nurse. It's someone who changes bedding and perhaps delivers meals, etcetera.  Woe unto you if you are hospitalized and you rely on a CNA to address a medical issue. If I were a sadistic person, I would be laughing at you for expecting a CNA to have this (or any) medical knowledge.




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Again, a CNA is not a nurse. It's someone who changes bedding and perhaps delivers meals, etcetera.  Woe unto you if you are hospitalized and you rely on a CNA to address a medical issue. If I were a sadistic person, I would be laughing at you for expecting a CNA to have this (or any) medical knowledge.



Matt I'm not a nurse either or a doctor for that matter, I know what the terminology for a rotated cup is. she still tried to come off as someone that has knowledge of the medical field.


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A certified nursing assistant, or CNA, helps patients or clients with healthcare needs under the supervision of a Registered Nurse (RN) or a Licensed Practical Nurse (LPN). Also known as a Nursing Assistant (NA) a Patient Care Assistant (PCA) or a State Tested Nurse Aid (STNA), the individual who carries this title needs strong work ethic and ability, but issues of liability and legality prevent CNAs from performing certain procedures.


 


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bill, when she brought up the "rotator cup" (or however she referred to it), she mentioned they saw the doctor that day. She didn't bring up being a CNA in the same response. Perhaps she was trying to imply some knowledge, but it didn't look like it to me. In any event, I don't think all the attacks on her are all that appropriate. Yes, she has very poor spelling and grammar (as she admitted herself), but not everyone is blessed with a proper education.




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bill, when she brought up the "rotator cup" (or however she referred to it), she mentioned they saw the doctor that day. She didn't bring up being a CNA in the same response. Perhaps she was trying to imply some knowledge, but it didn't look like it to me. In any event, I don't think all the attacks on her are all that appropriate. Yes, she has very poor spelling and grammar (as she admitted herself), but not everyone is blessed with a proper education.



while I am going to let this go, it doesn't matter when she brought it up....she said she was a CNAso going along with your reasonong I can say something in one sentence and then later on say something else and it is ok?


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Okay--well, to clarify, I don't think someone who says they are a CNA and then exhibits poor spelling, grammar and a total lack of understanding of basic medical conditions is necessarily misrepresenting themselves. I have encountered plenty of nurse's assistants who I would be hard pressed to hold an actual conversation with. Sad, but true.


Way off track, though. Again--not everyone is blessed with basic reading / writing / comprehension skills, yet they still are contributing members of society. I was just reminding people of that. I see some people ridiculing her based on these issues. What are these people's issues? Why belittle people? Does it make you feel good? I can't imagine.




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I was bored so I started reading through this. I resisted setting my hair on fire in an attempt to comprehend what happened. The best description I can give what I read is a bowl of spaghetti. It sure sounds like a fishing trip by somebody attempting to find some "LEO" that will tell you what you want to hear. The local LEO's involved, that would know what the local statutes were; according the what was written,were unimpressed with this story(also I am reasonably sure they got both sides). So that would end it for me. As far as the communication skills; or lack thereof, that cannot be blamed on a physical injury. It can be because young people today do not learn them, but like many things look for shortcuts.(Better to look bad here that in Court-something to remember) Much like signing up here to ask us to second guess the local law enforcement people there. But, just to respond to what you don't want to hear, I could give you a dozen good reasons/circumstances as to why and how you can "put your hands" on a person to prevent the consequences of a theft.

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Thank you, Skoolcop.  I totally agree with your guess.  I guess all the years of hearing and reading cops describe scenarios, I'm starting to 'see' things play out.  The customers were observed eating as they proceeded through the store.  An empty potato wedge bag, maybe other empty fast food bags, napkins, etc...who knows. 


They were approached and asked for a receipt for the contents of their bags.  The boyfriend copped an attitude because he was embarrassed at the idea of going through things in public view. Or, he had something to hide.  He became confrontational.  The security man tried to prevent him from leaving the store which resulted in a pushing match.  The police later viewed the ensuing scene on Walmart's video-tape.  The police probably admonished the couple not to file a report as it would only escalate their already precarious position. 


Petty theft is just that. Technically, they appeared to have shop-lifted the potato wedges into their stomachs with the intention to escape with the goods.  Walmart security confronted to discern what had occured.  Walmart has policies about detaining shop-lifting suspects.  Excessive force?  Might want to wiki 'rotator cuff' before winding up for the pitch.


Regarding CNA's -


I had about ten years experience with many.  From bed-sore prevention and care, to personal hygiene, to ambulation assistance, dietary supervision to medication delivery these professionals are down on the front line - serving with unflagging patience, congeniality and encyclopedic knowledge of in-home and in-facility care.  No CNA worth his or her salt wants to go on record as part of a taped commission of a misdemeanor leading to an embarrassing public scene. 


Turns out cops have plenty to do with CNA's performing in-home care.  I expect they have a rough idea and don't need to be schooled on what veracity sounds.like.


I would not dismiss the officers' well-founded skepticism here, nor would I belittle their judgment, nor would I insult them with an accusation of reckless ridicule for sport.


Ma'am, you raised a red flag about your lack of conscientiousness as you are not only aware of your writing skill deficits but have had to compensate for them in the past if you are a CNA.  CNA training has much to do with incident report-writing and no CNA wants to look bad.  I wonder, did you take the time to help resolve the matter by going through the bags to show contents against the receipts? Or did you stand back and video?

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 they thaught we had stolen potato wedges lol it only cost $2.00.... Walmart has offered a settlement of 50k do u think we should take it it will barely pay the bills due and we haven't even gotten in to rehabilitation for his sholder and the video copy was a copy of Wal-Mart's video

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 they thaught we had stolen potato wedges lol it only cost $2.00.... Walmart has offered a settlement of 50k do u think we should take it it will barely pay the bills due and we haven't even gotten in to rehabilitation for his sholder and the video copy was a copy of Wal-Mart's video



I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Nobody, let alone Wal-mart, moves this quickly to settle. You still haven't explained how you managed to get them to cough up the video so quickly and willingly. 


If this was real, your lawyer would be advising you not to discuss these details with strangers. I commend you for creating a source of entertainment for the board here, but you should find another hobby.




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 they thaught we had stolen potato wedges lol it only cost $2.00.... Walmart has offered a settlement of 50k do u think we should take it it will barely pay the bills due and we haven't even gotten in to rehabilitation for his sholder and the video copy was a copy of Wal-Mart's video



I'm going to have to call BS on this one. Nobody, let alone Wal-mart, moves this quickly to settle. You still haven't explained how you managed to get them to cough up the video so quickly and willingly. 


If this was real, your lawyer would be advising you not to discuss these details with strangers. I commend you for creating a source of entertainment for the board here, but you should find another hobby.



Bump the above (underlined/bold). Additionally, I find it hard to believe someone would receive a torn rotator cuff as a result of being grabbed by the arm and pushed against a wall.


Cowgirl, do you by chance have a link to any news articles? Also, how long ago did this allegedly happen?


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IF (notice big if) you were offered anything you better take the money and run, do ot stop do not pass go, run to the bank and cash in! because if you continue I will give you a scenario that you may hear again: loss prevention employee has observed a possible theft, after the "customer" has passed through the check out, passing the last point of sale asked said party to stop. Repeats this request several times while approaching his suspect. Person ignores request so LP reaches for and takes hold of suspect to get the suspect's attention. Now the LP starts to make an investigation of the facts. Now you will claim you heard nothing so therefore not ignoring request to stop. But how does he know your state of mind? ignoring/disregarding or did not hear anything. such would explain the managers observation and not his involvement. Many  an officer has filed resisting arrest to have the dirtbag then claim the officer just came up out of the blue and jumped them. Sometimes that defense works often not, because others heard even if arrestee did not, seen this happen.

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Kudos to Marly. Well said and to the point, as always. I have had CNAs take care of both Mom and Dad; no complaints here. Don't really know what to think about the OP.  It is obvious that she has not had the best of educations.


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IF (notice big if) you were offered anything you better take the money and run, do ot stop do not pass go, run to the bank and cash in! because if you continue I will give you a scenario that you may hear again: loss prevention employee has observed a possible theft, after the "customer" has passed through the check out, passing the last point of sale asked said party to stop. Repeats this request several times while approaching his suspect. Person ignores request so LP reaches for and takes hold of suspect to get the suspect's attention. Now the LP starts to make an investigation of the facts. Now you will claim you heard nothing so therefore not ignoring request to stop. But how does he know your state of mind? ignoring/disregarding or did not hear anything. such would explain the managers observation and not his involvement. Many  an officer has filed resisting arrest to have the dirtbag then claim the officer just came up out of the blue and jumped them. Sometimes that defense works often not, because others heard even if arrestee did not, seen this happen.



Sounds exactly spot on to me Chief and there's NO doubt that the patron acted out infront of his girl, but this is Walmart we're talking about.  A place I wouldn't be caught dead in.


A little history......


Walmart is the type of retail establishment that prepares for the 'beginning' of the month stampede.  Products are priced upward, sale items are only items they want to push so they can free up space in the warehouse for something new.  They save on labor cost  by shipping manufacturing jobs overseas, yet they are known to pay staff so low (way under a normal  projected  labor cost of  %24), that employees are either eligible or partially eligible for benefits.  Being they have employees receiving partial benefits, Walmart receives a huge tax-write off. 


Walmarts CEOs are amongst the richest people in the USA, It's truly a work of art.


Given Walmart is profit driven, my best guess is that corporate is reluctant to foot the money for a LEO, a LP Officer certified to use cuffs, or a Contract a security team that's independently insured.  I would be  surprised if they hire an actual undercover LP Investigator around the holidays to work an assignment, they may think a secret shopper will suffice. lol.


The only power of arrest probably comes into play when the local PD arrive I think.


So, is it plausible to add into the equation here that one may get what one (doesn't) pay for?


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 they thaught we had stolen potato wedges lol it only cost $2.00.... Walmart has offered a settlement of 50k do u think we should take it it will barely pay the bills due and we haven't even gotten in to rehabilitation for his sholder and the video copy was a copy of Wal-Mart's video


 


More Red flags then a can of raid, It may not even be intentional on the OP's part.  I think I may see some of what is going on here.


Cowgirllemmon, I need you to answer the following questions, and remember answering honestly and in a timely manner will help expedite answers from the folks here at PL.  Fair enough? 


Okay, let's move this forward.  I'm sur the folks here can gain some clarity so they will be able to properly advise if you can kindly answer some  questions that may be of importance.


Cowgirl,


~You mentioned the word "we", Are you injured, or are you involved with paying or sharing the bills?,


~Is your BF employed?


~Have you seen this tape yourself, yes....no?


~If not, who exactly has possesion of this tape and who said it exists and/or they saw it?


~Is all the discovery regarding the lawsuit and/or lawyers action coming soley from what your BF is telling you?


I look forward to your reply CGL.



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I work in a jurisdiction that has a Walmar (WOW big suprise).  I am very knowledgeable about the LP procedures.  The would NEVER detain someone for two dollars worth of food.  They would NEVER grab anyone.  This whole story is complete BS.  Additionally Walmart NEVER settles.  They always at the very least drag things out for years to wear down the plaintiffs.  Don't hold your breath LonnaNJ.  She will not provide any answers becasue she has none.  If anything occurred her boyfriend was arrested for shoplifting and she is trying to drum up a story.  

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I work in a jurisdiction that has a Walmar (WOW big suprise).  I am very knowledgeable about the LP procedures.  The would NEVER detain someone for two dollars worth of food.  They would NEVER grab anyone.  This whole story is complete BS.  Additionally Walmart NEVER settles.  They always at the very least drag things out for years to wear down the plaintiffs.  Don't hold your breath LonnaNJ.  She will not provide any answers becasue she has none.  If anything occurred her boyfriend was arrested for shoplifting and she is trying to drum up a story.  



I want to see you in your uniform, please?  lol, just kidding.  I thought the boyfriend was blowing smoke, but this^ seems very plausible.


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Hey LonnaNJ have you ever been arrested before? Say in 2008?  You seem to be some sort of expert.


 



WOW...... Really?  Hit and run..... Too bad no one caught and flagged this before it went Anonymous.  Sounds like the work of a troll to me.

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Hey LonnaNJ have you ever been arrested before? Say in 2008?  You seem to be some sort of expert.


 



WOW...... Really?  Hit and run..... Too bad no one caught and flagged this before it went Anonymous.  Sounds like the work of a troll to me.



He's a hundred times worse than a troll...he's a wuss who has to go Anonymous before being confronted.

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Wait what? 


 Hit and run in what, my wheelchair?  LOL Because if you would have done a thorough stalking you would know that a good part of 08, I was hospitalized then in OT and unable to walk.


So Capt. Crunch, I believe this would fall under defemation of characterk, or perhaps our opinions differed here and you took it to the (_Y_) ?


It's the internet, what's your point?


EDITED-Misread-thought he said 'hit and run.  LOL, good lord....  I've never been in trouble, few shenanigans perhaps, but NEVER in trouble.  Ever.


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This is a thread with a life of it's own.


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 LonnaNJ, another puzzling thing is how did they get a copy of the tape or dvr? I can not believe Walmart just provided a copy of anything to anybody without a discovery motion being granted by some judge somewhere. I can she her having some misconception that any documentation Walmart may possess is subject to an "Open Records" request. As a private entity and not subject to such request, I believe their response to such request would be something to the effect of take a hike.

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I had a case when I was a Campus Police Officer where one of our students got her purse stolen from her car.  She came to file a report and called her credit card company to cancel her credit card.  The credit card company told her someone had just used it at a Walmart to make a purchase.  I called the Walmart where her credit card was used and tried to get information and possibly a video of the cash register where her card was used. I was given such a run around by Walmart management. If I remember correctly I think they told me I needed to get a warrant for the video. I brought this up to my Chief and we suggested that she file a report with the city agency where the incident occured since they might have more resources and maybe a little more "muscle" in getting walmart to cooperate. So, I don't think walmart would just give cowgirllemmon a video just by her asking for it. 

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 No, Ocampo, they should not and can not. if do it for one then you will be compelled t do it for all. Remember it is a private business and as such they have every to protect their business. Just think what could happen to them and other businesses if they gave out security rlated information to every nuckle-head that found out all he had to do was ask. 

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Eye dun Gest sawed this for the furst tyme,tooday.That iz sew two bad that all thoz nasty things happenned to yer boyfreend.Instred of sum kinda snacks eye think he shoulda bout yew som kinda English self help boook.I wish you and him a lotta luk in the fewchure.

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This is becoming curiouser and curiouser in regard to these rotating cups.Are we speaking here of "B" cups--"C" cups or "D" cups.It could mean a great deal of difference in a court of law.

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oh boy, here we go in another direction, me thinks dave forgot his meds this am

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As to the poll question; no, no one has the right to grab your arm and slam you against the wall.....without cause. Those last two words are the key, without cause.


With your boyfriends grabbing snacks and running them through the self-checkout and immediately allowing you to eat them in the store you are on shaky ground. It is easy to believe that they thought you were eating the item to avoid paying for it. Apparently the Police feel that his actions were justified as well. The police and anyone else who has any pride in themselves are not going to do what he did as it does look suspicious. My best advice, chalk it up to life's lessons that you don't do anything stupid like that again and probably would be best to stay out of there unless you wish for a trespassing after notice arrest.

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Hey LonnaNJ have you ever been arrested before? Say in 2008?  You seem to be some sort of expert.


 



WOW...... Really?  Hit and run..... Too bad no one caught and flagged this before it went Anonymous.  Sounds like the work of a troll to me.



I happened to be looking, but not logged in yersterday when Anonymous posted.  The post was 2 minutes old and the poster had already gone anonymous.  He went anonymous as soon as posting it seems.

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