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This is a half-way biatch-fest, half-way seeking advise......


I am in FTO in a civilian position. We do monor crashes, found property, illegal dumping, criminal mischief.....the minor things that free up the sworn personnell for the more important calls....it's a GREAT PROGRAM!!


The FTO is a nice guy and a pretty good teacher, however, he tends to go overboard on the, "do things my way" when the way i'm doing them is just fine!  For example, I used the sentence, "the complainant advised...." in a report. That wasn't OK. He said, "You should have used the word "stated."  Are you kidding me??  It means the same dang thing!!   This is one example of a few things and i've had to bite my tongue, but I am one to, not argue, but to question.  I'm applying for a full time position with the agency and need really good DORs as a reference. 


I'm wondering what y'all's take is on this and what I should do?


Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!

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I am not an LEO, but I have to say if I were in the same position I would listen to whatever my FTO had to say and grin and bear it.  Later down the line if I found a better way to do it (or more preferred way), I could make the choice to do so.  Also you never know who is lurking in the forums...

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I am not an LEO, but I have to say if I were in the same position I would listen to whatever my FTO had to say and grin and bear it.  Later down the line if I found a better way to do it (or more preferred way), I could make the choice to do so.  Also you never know who is lurking in the forums...



That's what i'm doing....I just wasn't sure if there was a tactful way of bringing up the questions I have regarding this or if I should continue to leave it.


I'm not worried about the lurkers...I haven't said anything improper, but thanks for the heads up and taking the time to give your opinion.


Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!

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Don't sweat it.  I know it can be extremely frustrating.  Just smile and agree, soon you will be on your own and out from underneath the microscope.  Until then, learn all that you can.  Also remember,  there may be a reason for his advice.  Sometimes its the District Judges preference, not necessarily the FTO making those weird requests.

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As someone who has written a lot of reports, I would agree with your FTO, advised and stated have slightly different meanings (look them up if you don't believe me) and I suspect that stated better clarifies what was said.  Your FTO is trying to help you make your reports as good as possible thats why he is a F-Training-O, he is trying to train you to do a good job.  Remember your report may end up in court to be picked apart by an opposing attorney.


My 'take' is you should listen to and learn from your FTO and try and do things his way, when you are on your own you can work on developing your own style.  The 'fun' part comers when you have different FTO's each with their own way of doing things (been there done that, learned from each one).

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Do exactly as he instructs you. Like a police Sgt your FTO speaks directly to God. Do not test him. Once you are on your own you may be able to word the reports as you wish. I am a certified FTO and it can be a difficult position. It is time to put on your big girl panties.

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uncledennis1 says ...



Do exactly as he instructs you. Like a police Sgt your FTO speaks directly to God. Do not test him. Once you are on your own you may be able to word the reports as you wish. I am a certified FTO and it can be a difficult position. It is time to put on your big girl panties.


Y'all are right!  Guess i was just frustrated today and needed to be "reeled in."



Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!

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Civilian position or sworn position, if you are taking a report that may go to either criminal or civil court, "told" or "stated" is better than "advised."  Do as your FTO instructs and your life will be easier...... TRUST ME.

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I'm a FTO and our program is spelled out with a lot of "Do it this way" on things that don't matter if you really looked closely. Like everyone else said, do it his way until you're cut loose. Once you're on your own you will find yourself taking his style and adding parts of yours. He is there to train and sometimes test you to see how you'll react.

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Good evening Lori.After having been an F.T,O, for tons of years I have to say you're receiving great advice.I know you are a sharp lady and going to do well at whatever you do.When you become a F.T.O. you will have the opportunity to train a person in your way.My F.T.O, told me I would never become a cop.When my training period was complete he told me I was the best recruit he ever had.On my Dept. we made out "Fitness Reportrs" on our recruits,as is done in the Army.Nobody needs a "Bad "fitness report...Dave

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Good evening Lori.After having been an F.T,O, for tons of years I have to say you're receiving great advice.I know you are a sharp lady and going to do well at whatever you do.When you become a F.T.O. you will have the opportunity to train a person in your way.My F.T.O, told me I would never become a cop.When my training period was complete he told me I was the best recruit he ever had.On my Dept. we made out "Fitness Reportrs" on our recruits,as is done in the Army.Nobody needs a "Bad "fitness report...Dave


Thanks, Dave.



Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!

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As a Retired Police FTO, I'd like to interject three (3) points into the conversation:


  1. You very well might be right.

  2. Your assigned FTO will always be righter.

  3. On September 30, 1859, Abraham Lincoln included a story in an address before the Wisconsin State Agricultural Society in Milwaukee.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true   and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away."

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Just a thought, what if he is a member of Police Link and he sees your post? You never know, interesting thought he could be on here and befriend you. He could have 0 pics up and use a different name. I could be him. I'm not but you never know.

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Tysyty says ...



Just a thought, what if he is a member of Police Link and he sees your post? You never know, interesting thought he could be on here and befriend you. He could have 0 pics up and use a different name. I could be him. I'm not but you never know.



I suspect the FTO would pay her no mind. Isn't one of the first truths of training a rookie is that they always complain? So long as they do it on their own time--eh?




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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You would know that more than me. lol, good point

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Matt,that was beautiful.I am old enough to remember and appreciate Churchill.He was blessed with the wisdom of Mark Twain and the cleverness of Will Rogers..

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Tysyty says ...



Just a thought, what if he is a member of Police Link and he sees your post? You never know, interesting thought he could be on here and befriend you. He could have 0 pics up and use a different name. I could be him. I'm not but you never know.



Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!

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Tysyty says ...



Just a thought, what if he is a member of Police Link and he sees your post? You never know, interesting thought he could be on here and befriend you. He could have 0 pics up and use a different name. I could be him. I'm not but you never know.


Appreciat it, but it's not likely that he's on here and I said nothing that would offend him.



Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely, with a well preserved body...but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting.... HOLY SH*T... WHAT A RIDE!!!