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 Hi, I recently turned twenty years old and have a question about my former drug use. I know this has been discussed before but I can't find a thread talking about pot use AFTER the legality of it was changed in Washington State. I live in Washington State and as you know it has been legalized for people twenty one and older. I have smoked pot only five times in my life; twice two weeks before my twentieth birthday(March 1st) and three times RIGHT after my twentieth birthday. I also drank alcohol ONCE for the first time after my twentieth birthday. I plan on joining the Army within a year and plan to stay there for AT LEAST four years. If I like it a lot I might stay another four years. When I leave the Army my plan is to go into Law Enforcement. My question is: When I eventually apply to become a police officer will I be turned away because of my pot and alcohol use? I've read that normally they only accept people with only 1-3 times of experimental pot use that was five years ago in their lifetime, but I've only read that on threads that were at least two years old, before the legalization of pot in WA. Does that change anything? Does my underage pot and alcohol use DQ me? Would my career in the Army make me a lttle more desirable? I'm pretty scared that I screwed up royally and some honest answers from experienced people would be much appreciated.

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You need to axe the agency.

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I'm guessing you have 'screwed up royally' apart from gurgling bongfulls.


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 (snip)  I'm pretty scared that I screwed up royally (snip)


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 I want replies from EXPERIENCED people, not people that are just going to scold me like MarlyB. 

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'Experienced views vs scoldings"? RAMPAYJER you just said a mouthfull. 


Looks like you're trawling. 


Since you couldn't get a general sentiment of 'experienced views' off past posts, maybe you'll get lucky. 


Stand the **** by.

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all departments have different standards. You would not be considered for employment when I was chief.

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Like Uncle Dennis said, each department has its own standards.  If you were of age right now and had applied. . . . .I think that would be an easy no, you would be denied.  Eight to ten years down the road, you may find a more receptive attitude. . . .depending on what you did between now and then.  Either way, you will have many questions that a person that did not use would not have to answer.


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 For all of you that gave me good answers I thank you. uncledennis1 I have a follow-up question. When you say that I would not be considered for employment when you were chief do you mean if I was of age and applied now? Let's say eight or ten years down the line after I was in the Army and had some years behind me, would I still not be considered?

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Did you just decide to become a cop? It doesn't seem like FORMER drug use if it just happened in the last month. 

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 I've wanted to be a cop since I was fourteen. I definetly should have thought more before I did what I did, I guess the legality of the drug led me to believe it wasn't as big of a deal as it actually was.

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 I have a question for the OP, why did you try cannibis? I am curious most studies I have done lately in college lean more to early teens trying pot and alcohol. I have never tried drugs, but I have consumed a good bit of alcohol in my late teen years and early twentys.

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 I know right now you are kicking yourself in the behind. You should!!! I will tell you like I tell my kids. You can only move forward from here. You can't change the past. Learn from it and try your best to rectify the situation. I hope you take my advice to heart. Good luck to you....

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 Hi, I recently turned twenty years old and have a question about my former drug use. I know this has been discussed before but I can't find a thread talking about pot use AFTER the legality of it was changed in Washington State. I live in Washington State and as you know it has been legalized for people twenty one and older. I have smoked pot only five times in my life; twice two weeks before my twentieth birthday(March 1st) and three times RIGHT after my twentieth birthday. I also drank alcohol ONCE for the first time after my twentieth birthday. I plan on joining the Army within a year and plan to stay there for AT LEAST four years. If I like it a lot I might stay another four years. When I leave the Army my plan is to go into Law Enforcement. My question is: When I eventually apply to become a police officer will I be turned away because of my pot and alcohol use? I've read that normally they only accept people with only 1-3 times of experimental pot use that was five years ago in their lifetime, but I've only read that on threads that were at least two years old, before the legalization of pot in WA. Does that change anything? Does my underage pot and alcohol use DQ me? Would my career in the Army make me a lttle more desirable? I'm pretty scared that I screwed up royally and some honest answers from experienced people would be much appreciated.


I find it interesting you describe your situation as unique because marijuana is "legal" in WA. However, you are under the age of majority so your usage was still illegal. Illegal is illegal. Pretty black & white. You knew it was illegal every time you did it and had to have a clue it would affect your chances at a LE career. Yet you CHOSE to do it again and again, and now want to brush it aside and state it shouldn't prevent you from being a LEO. Oh, and no scolding either. 


Now, your plan to join the military is admirable and I respect you for that. Have you talked with a recruiter yet? The military is cracking down on prior drug usage as well. I'm not saying you're going to be DQ'd, just that you are going to have to explain your decisions and live with the consequences. And that is going to hold true for the rest of your life, no matter the career choice.  


With the current extreme competition for LE careers you are definitely going to be facing an uphill battle. Candidates with clean backgrounds will be chosen first and you are going to have to work exceedingly hard to stack the "positives" column to outweigh the "negatives" you are bringing to the table. A military career may assist you with that. Then again, it may not.


Contact the agency you are interested in and ask them directly. Every agency has its own criteria as to what constitutes a mandatory DQ. But ethics and morality are universal. Regardless of whether this is a career end-er or not, you have definitely muddied the water needlessly.


Best of luck, whatever your path may be.


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 I've wanted to be a cop since I was fourteen. I definetly should have thought more before I did what I did, I guess the legality of the drug led me to believe it wasn't as big of a deal as it actually was.



Again, IT IS NOT LEGAL!!! You are 20 years of age which means any usage by WA standards is illegal! The fact you've wanted to be in LE since the age of 14 and still chose to smoke marijuana is truly worthy of a face palm.


Stop breaking the law, work like a fiend to overcome your poor decisions and criminal choices, and you may be able to compete with the average applicant. Any applicant with a clean background and a few "extras" will be chosen over you, every time. Just the way it is...


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@GS76 I tried Cannabis because my friends offered it to me. I wasn't peer pressured or anything it was just simply in front of me and I decided to give it a go. I can walk away from it forever right now, it's not a part of my life. I tried it at this age because when I was in school I wasn't interested in drugs at all (or have access to them) and neither were my friends, then I graduated and my friends started it so I gave it a go. It's not like I have to "go with the crowd" or anything the decision was mine and mine alone based purely out of curiosity.

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If you were of age and applied I would say no. There has not been that much time between your last toke and your 21st birthday. Keep clean for the next 5 years and then apply.

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 @uncledennis1 Thank you for your input, you gave me some light at the end of the tunnel. I blame nobody but myself and will try to turn this into a learning experience. Hopefully my future military career will help me get a job.

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Sorry but I do not know what I said that was wrong especially since you deleted the entire message. I was offering this young man some excellant advice that was not only helpful but good advice and hope. If PL does not want my posts then say so and I will leave. Seems like I get these red 'warnings' posts about inapproprate words even when I do not use any words that were not used in other posts!

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"Did you just decide to become a cop? It doesn't seem like FORMER drug use if it just happened in the last month."


Bingo, KCecala.  The expert eye of a cop's wife.  Gotta love it.


As in, "I'm planning to put my recent poor judgment behind me during a stint in the military while I increase my marketability to LE, but I want advance notice if it's gonna make a diff.  Don't anybody question my integrity now or I'll bite your arsche off."


Applicants love to focus on criminality as if it's the only criteria department's care about.  Credit history is also looked at in terms of poor judgment and risky behavior, along with a whole bunch of markers.  It's not illegal to be in debt, just undesirable. 


As is...opportunism.


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 Hi, I recently turned twenty years old and have a question about my former drug use. I know this has been discussed before but I can't find a thread talking about pot use AFTER the legality of it was changed in Washington State. I live in Washington State and as you know it has been legalized for people twenty one and older. I have smoked pot only five times in my life; twice two weeks before my twentieth birthday(March 1st) and three times RIGHT after my twentieth birthday. I also drank alcohol ONCE for the first time after my twentieth birthday. I plan on joining the Army within a year and plan to stay there for AT LEAST four years. If I like it a lot I might stay another four years. When I leave the Army my plan is to go into Law Enforcement. My question is: When I eventually apply to become a police officer will I be turned away because of my pot and alcohol use? I've read that normally they only accept people with only 1-3 times of experimental pot use that was five years ago in their lifetime, but I've only read that on threads that were at least two years old, before the legalization of pot in WA. Does that change anything? Does my underage pot and alcohol use DQ me? Would my career in the Army make me a lttle more desirable? I'm pretty scared that I screwed up royally and some honest answers from experienced people would be much appreciated.


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 @uncledennis1 Thank you for your input, you gave me some light at the end of the tunnel. I blame nobody but myself and will try to turn this into a learning experience. Hopefully my future military career will help me get a job.

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 @Robocop I've noticed that this forum is kinda glitchy sometimes. (It's my first time using this site) Well I posted something and noticed that it said I posted it twice. I deleted the second post. Maybe the thread was glitching and was showing your post as mine so I accidently deleted yours. Sorry, if you could post what you said again I would greatly appreciate it.

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RAMPAYJER, most agencies that accept marijuana 'expermentation' draw the line at 5 uses, over 5 and you are no longer considered to have been expermenting.  Thus, never use marijuana again and if you are still in WA or CO when you turn 21, don't think that will give you a pass to use marijuana again, it's still illegal in the other 48 states and in all 50 at the federal level. If you hope to be a cop, your marijuana using days are over.

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The handle Rampayjer in and of itself ,which you evidently use to portray yourself,speaks volumes.Perchance Killer,headknocker or BadA$$ would be just about as appropriate for a "Wannabe".It may also be noted that the vast majority of leos are known as Police Officers,NOT cops,which is a thinly veiled derogatory name for those in the law enforcement field.

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 @ssu459 I used RAMPAYJER as my name because it is my Xbox Live gamertag. I simply used it because it is easy for me to remember. I don't consider myself a "rampager."The first email I got from this website used the word cop so unless you have anything constructive to say to me that is on topic then please leave this thread. 

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 You will never make it in this business. You are way too sensitive and believe you have not done anything wrong. You have benn given sage advice by several "cops" on this site. You should do everyone a favor and deal with the consequences of your actions by going away and maturing quite a bit. Don't like the responses you are receiving in here? Go back to your fantasyland on Xbox and find better answers. At this point in time you are unhirable by training and standards in most states. Have fun joining the Army too as they are downsizing and are being extremely choosy right now. You may think you are owed a job in this business because you have always "wanted to be" but it has been my experience that type of attitude generates "wannabe's". Coming on here and disregarding advice and telling people to stay out of the discussion is disrespectful at best. Stop with the attitude (and the bong hits) and listen up.


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Many agencies are also picky on who they want as officers and in this economy, there are plenty to select from so of course they will pick candidates that have squeaky clean or near perfect histories. The exception is if they have relatives or know people from the inside but even that does not guarantee jobs within the agencies and are usually per-case basis. 


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4/9/2013  11:20 PM


ssu459, I use the word 'cop' all the time in threads, but interchange the term with LEO.  I think it depends on who you are directing your remarks to and what you intend.  But...hmmm have to think about that one.  I will PM you.


RAMPAYJER, ok, your username is easy for you to remember.  Manners aren't, apparently.  A respected law enforcement officer in this community took objection to the immaturity of your choice of username.  Fine, you disagree.  But your reaction is very telling about your character.  Throughout this thread you come across as immature - a risk-taker, a self-ingratiating opportunist and an arrogant, rude little man. 


Your relationship to authority stinks.  Maybe the military can straighten you out.  Maybe not.  But go on as you are?


Uh uh.  I wouldn't want you patrolling my streets.  Not now.  Not ever.


 


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 @ssu459 I used RAMPAYJER as my name because it is my Xbox Live gamertag. I simply used it because it is easy for me to remember. I don't consider myself a "rampager."The first email I got from this website used the word cop so unless you have anything constructive to say to me that is on topic then please leave this thread. 


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Rampayjer. You dissed ssu459 who is a respected member of this site and is a retired law enforcement officer. I could not believe when you told him to leave the thread. This is our house and you are a visitor. I suggest you get it together and show respect to members of this site.

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 @ssu459 I used RAMPAYJER as my name because it is my Xbox Live gamertag. I simply used it because it is easy for me to remember. I don't consider myself a "rampager."The first email I got from this website used the word cop so unless you have anything constructive to say to me that is on topic then please leave this thread. 



Rampayjer: First, don't get nasty with members of this site. That's not an option for brand new folks. Learn to "Agree to Disagree". If you plan on becoming an LEO, you're going to need thicker skin than this. "Leave this thread"? You do understand that anyone can read this thread, even if they are not a member of Police Link. Any Member of Police Link can post. You have absolutely zero control in that.


I noticed an earlier post of yours that said you accidently deleted someone else's post. Nope, not possible. Moderators and Administrators are the only ones that can do that.


Take a deep breath, relax and listen to the good advice from folks here. If you don't like what someone posts, ignore it and move on.


Best wishes.


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The OP would most likely not even be eligible to work any sort of Security with drug use that recent.  His attitude also stinks to high heaven.


Son, you would do well to remove your head from your hind quarters, stand at attention and listen up.  Failing that, I don't see a future for you in either LE or Security.  Too many red flags - your responses thus far on this thread are one of them:  untrainable, unteachable, and a seeming attitude that "I'm owed something because I've wanted it since I was in the womb."

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