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mz66, not sure what the peace-making reference to' jumping on the bandwagon', 'contingents of members' and 'chasing away' is about. 


This is just a matter-of-fact discussion. 


Fortunately, Policelink, as a social website, is not ruled by a centralized authority.  Rather, members respectfully care for the site in coordination with Moderator/Admin activity.  If somebody's got a beef they take it to the Sarge.  It's always been like that.  Kinda like real life.


So no, I wouldn't describe the content of this thread as in any way antagonistic.  Neither do I find the content in any way off-putting to new members.  I'm certain any LEO newcomer "gets" the prevalence of a natural suspicion in such a community.  It ain't rocket science.


Comes with the territory.  Verification is a good idea.  A process is in place.  However, it's not mandatory to sit in a drum circle and sing Kumbayah either. 


If someone publicly arm-waves LEO status but stinks in PM, nobody's calling a kangaroo court, nor issuing a gag-order.

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I wasn't referring to this thread in particular, MarlyB--but it is undeniable that there's been the kind of effect, like a pebble thrown into a pond, where other members want to participate in the activities and end up showing an uglier side. 


I am not saying we should sit in a drum circle and sing, but we should recognize the reality that the userbase has shrunk significantly and we could do well to be more civil. Is it really necessary to treat every new member claiming to be a LEO like a recruit that needs their nerves tested? I'm sure there are genuine LEOs who have come here with the daily stresses of the job on their mind only to be jumped on because they're "new"...and they went elsewhere...because who needs that? 


Because I know, MarlyB, you frequently want to drag me into a tit-for-tat (I don't know why--I sure don't enjoy it), I'll leave it at that. Bait me if you wish, but I've said my piece and I'm happy with it.




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I hope everyone recognizes I'm taking great pains to not single anyone out (at least in this thread). I also hope everyone realizes that I have the best interests of the site at heart when ranting about this. I worry that in the community's zeal to help with taking out the trash that we may chase away potentially valuable members simply because someone wasn't there to show a little finesse. People want to be treated with respect.


Also, I'm sure you can see that there is a contingent of members who are all too eager to jump on the bandwagon and do a little pitchfork waving themselves...and they take cues from the veteran members. It makes us look like a bunch of bullies--and we definitely have lost membership on that score.


Please understand I am not saying the community shouldn't keep a watchful eye and help keep the board clear of fakes, instigators, and other undesirables. All I'm asking is that you try to see the shoe on the other foot when you're doing it. When in doubt, report your concerns to TheSarge and his team. They have the experience to pry without seeming antagonistic--and we can benefit from the valuable new members we retain as a result of a more nuanced approach.


I hope that makes sense.



 


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mz66, talking of civility, or the lack - I don't like your insulting inference that I derive frequent petty satisfaction from dragging anyone into a "tit for tat. "  What a patronizing remark!


I am totally baffled by your self-assigned, peace-keeping role over what is essentially a non-dispute about unwanted police  impostors. 


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I wasn't referring to this thread in particular, MarlyB--but it is undeniable that there's been the kind of effect, like a pebble thrown into a pond, where other members want to participate in the activities and end up showing an uglier side. 


I am not saying we should sit in a drum circle and sing, but we should recognize the reality that the userbase has shrunk significantly and we could do well to be more civil. Is it really necessary to treat every new member claiming to be a LEO like a recruit that needs their nerves tested? I'm sure there are genuine LEOs who have come here with the daily stresses of the job on their mind only to be jumped on because they're "new"...and they went elsewhere...because who needs that? 


Because I know, MarlyB, you frequently want to drag me into a tit-for-tat (I don't know why--I sure don't enjoy it), I'll leave it at that. Bait me if you wish, but I've said my piece and I'm happy with it.


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Thanks for capturing LimpNoodle in his fugue state, MH557.  I can see the fine perspiration on his upper lip.  That gimp suit gets hot in the basement.


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Yep over the years PL has been home to many bullies who hide behind "verification'. A lot of them are no longer here thanks to my efforts.  Verification means nothing.  There is a well known member of this site that was arrested several years ago, charged with a disgusting act yet he is a member in good standing.   


I will continue to go after the bullies.


 




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Bob!!! That is the first good screen name that you have ever had!!!


You should stencil that on your tightie whities!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting topic and a special "Thanks" to UncleDennis for the fine work he has put in to rooting out the imposters.  However, whether it is an imposter or even a verified officer, it is always aggravating when trying to have a discussion with someone, someone else butts in and while their intent may be pure, they overstate their knowledge a bit. . . . .or a more to the point, A LOT!  OR, when an honest discussion is in progress and someone else feels the need to stick their corrosive 2 cents in just to inflame the situation with no positive effect expected.  While I'm sure some may point a finger at me on that last comment, but at least I have done my best to back up my "opinions" with the facts as I have understood them at the time. Yes, there have been a many a "troll" on this site that has done their best to trouble those that are here legitimately.  It appears there actually may be one that has already posted in this thread, whose intent is not yet completely known. . . .other than to stir up some trouble.


In the beginning, I thought this could possibly be a site that, while it wouldn't take the place of the "cop bar". . . . .it would be a place where people, not just police officers but family members and supporters (people that understand our need to decompress and our "darker" or "bluer" humor), could come together and share their likes/dislikes, highs/lows, fears. . . . . .and yes tears of the job.  Unfortunately, with the trolls and even the picture Nazis, it magnifies the difference between the "cop bar" and this site. . . .there is no place to blow off steam and set the professionalism down a notch or two (relaxed) and allow the officer a place to decompress with people of like mind.  This is probably the biggest reason many of the "old crew" have left.


We have to watch our professionalism to a "T" out on the road. . . .I don't want to have to examine every word I utter, or type when I am off duty.  Thus, I don't go to places that I have to watch what I say and do and because this site has tightened up so much, this is the reason that I have pulled back quite a bit from this site.  While the commaraderie may still be there. . . . .it has definitely taken a beating from the trolls that have gone after officers employment AND from those that feel the officers on this site must keep their on-duty public demeanor here on this site. . . . .i.e. Political Correctness is killing Police Link.  JMHO


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Interesting topic and a special "Thanks" to UncleDennis for the fine work he has put in to rooting out the imposters.  However, whether it is an imposter or even a verified officer, it is always aggravating when trying to have a discussion with someone, someone else butts in and while their intent may be pure, they overstate their knowledge a bit. . . . .or a more to the point, A LOT!  OR, when an honest discussion is in progress and someone else feels the need to stick their corrosive 2 cents in just to inflame the situation with no positive effect expected.  While I'm sure some may point a finger at me on that last comment, but at least I have done my best to back up my "opinions" with the facts as I have understood them at the time. Yes, there have been a many a "troll" on this site that has done their best to trouble those that are here legitimately.  It appears there actually may be one that has already posted in this thread, whose intent is not yet completely known. . . .other than to stir up some trouble.


In the beginning, I thought this could possibly be a site that, while it wouldn't take the place of the "cop bar". . . . .it would be a place where people, not just police officers but family members and supporters (people that understand our need to decompress and our "darker" or "bluer" humor), could come together and share their likes/dislikes, highs/lows, fears. . . . . .and yes tears of the job.  Unfortunately, with the trolls and even the picture Nazis, it magnifies the difference between the "cop bar" and this site. . . .there is no place to blow off steam and set the professionalism down a notch or two (relaxed) and allow the officer a place to decompress with people of like mind.  This is probably the biggest reason many of the "old crew" have left.


We have to watch our professionalism to a "T" out on the road. . . .I don't want to have to examine every word I utter, or type when I am off duty.  Thus, I don't go to places that I have to watch what I say and do and because this site has tightened up so much, this is the reason that I have pulled back quite a bit from this site.  While the commaraderie may still be there. . . . .it has definitely taken a beating from the trolls that have gone after officers employment AND from those that feel the officers on this site must keep their on-duty public demeanor here on this site. . . . .i.e. Political Correctness is killing Police Link.  JMHO



AMEN!!! Couldn't have said it better!


Especially the part about people "overstating their knowledge!!!"

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Yep over the years PL has been home to many bullies who hide behind "verification'. A lot of them are no longer here thanks to my efforts.  Verification means nothing.  There is a well known member of this site that was arrested several years ago, charged with a disgusting act yet he is a member in good standing.   


I will continue to go after the bullies.


 



Vigilantetroll, I can only assume that you do this for one of two reasons. . . . .1)  you think you are helping keep PL up to a certain standard, OR  2)  you do this for fun because it is a way for you to get revenge for some perceived wrong that maybe an officer in your past had done to you.  I won't even flip a coin to try to devine your reasoning, but if your reasoning is from the first reason I gave, I don't think you are getting a very good picture of why this site is here.  A picture that every one of us faces every day.  If your reasoning is for the second one I listed. . . . .you are definitely a sick individual and should seek some help from a counsellor.  While I don't know all of the people that have left PL because of your activities, I do know a couple of them and whatever you may have thought of them, they are still honorable people and will continue to do their job with Honor, Character and Integrity that you for some reason cannot, nor may never see.  Let me try to explain. . . . .


If you read my previous post in this thread, you will see what MY feelings were of this site when I first joined. . . . and to a certain extent, it met those needs. . . . .YES NEEDS!  You see, NOBODY can run at 100% for 24/7, not even the adrenalin junkies.  When a person has to be ever vigilante on keeping a lid on their speech, the expression of their emotions and just their demeanor in general. . . .THEY WILL BURN OUT!  if there is no release, or decompression, a person (yes, including police officers, firepersonnel, EMS personnel AND dispatchers) will start to become a statistic for. . . . .Mood Swings, Violence, more and more dangerous activities, Drug use and. . . .  .even Suicides.  There are other things in there but I hope you get the point.  Because officers realized this, many generations of officers (and the others mentioned) started going to specific bars that were friendly to them and would look the other way when the commaraderie started getting a little rough.  What do I mean by that?


I assume that from some of the television shows and movies that Hollywood pushes on us, you have mabe an inkling of what the police, fire, EMS and dispatchers face. . . . .everyday.  However, when you have a bad day. . . . .the boss has yelled at you.  When one of these people mentioned have a bad day. . . . .they may have come close to not coming home after that shift.  One of their shift mates may have come too close to not coming home. . . . .OR, maybe someone from the shift DIDN'T get to home after their shift and now people are preparing for a funeral.


While I doubt you will ever know the commaraderie that is shown in a "cop bar" (or firemen's bar, etc.) because as an outsider, those officers are on their guard when "outsiders" are present.  IF, you were ever "welcomed" into that setting, you would hear the stories that haunt them and they are trying to deal with.  You would hear the foul language (IN SPADES) that they cannot use in public (or shouldn't).  You would see the knockdown dragouts (fistfights) between officers. . . .YET, afterwards you would probably see at the minimum a handshake, but more than likely you would witness something along the lines of (hard to describe other than this way) a "manly" hug with a whispered, "Love ya' brother but don't piss me off like that again."  Unfortunately, even as I type this, I look back and I can see where the "newer" generation of officers don't even respect this for some reason and I for the life of me don't know why, but it seems that many of the newer generation are more ladder climbers than police officers and are strictly out for themselves.  So, you actually are kind of with the newer generation of police officers. . . .sort of.


I don't know how to really explain anything else and I can only hope that maybe this helps explain the damage you are doing by headhunting officers as you have done in the past.  I just wish you could see what your actions have caused from "our" eyes and with the experiences that we have.  If you could, while you may not agree with what a lot of officers do (you are entitled to your opinion like everyone else), maybe, JUST MAYBE you might find it within yourself to have a little more respect for what the officers (and others mentioned here) do and why they come to places such as this to hang out and tell tall tales in some cases.


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Thanks for the intelligent input and feedback here. It's good to know that folks still consider being verified as something of legitimate value.


To 36TR: Thanks for your Moderator prowess.


To UncleDennis: Thanks for your personal passion for PL.


To Beowulf: Thanks for the in-depth insight.


To mz66: Thanks for connecting the dots.


To Marly: Thanks for the huge support.


To Treehugger: Thanks for hanging in there in spite of being harassed by The Antagonist.


To Cedardale: Thanks for being the keeper of institutional memory.


To MH557: Thanks for keeping a watchful eye.


To All: Thanks for making PL filled with LEO DNA that is incredibly worthwhile. Only in America. Only on PL !


 


By way of past info, the Kimber Carruthers incident grew in the petri dish of trust. Her credentials were verified by an unknown and untrained civilian a long time ago. The process was not as accurate as we verify today. We now call and check people out. She was exposed by someone in her own city. Some scouring of normal channels revealed the whole death thing as being a fake. We all learned to be careful of people with whom you didn't have first hand knowledge or knew someone who could vouch for another person. From that point, we determined that all 'deaths' and 'grievous hospitalizations' would be authenticated. We also improved the verification process. There still may be a few wannabes out there from a long time ago.


As far as rooting out the phoneys: Dennis employed a common technique. He simply engaged a person in conversation. You can learn a lot in just a few sentences. If you find a LEO mannequin snaking around, give any Moderator a jingle. We can correct the problem quickly. Just make sure you remember the username of the phoney in case they go dark and anonymous.


Lastly, the Federal Agent thing: This is a default label that was put in place by PL technicians a long time ago to 'designate' a banned user. The only problem is when there is a real Federal Agent on board. I have yet to have a real deal Federal Agent complain about the default designator.


Again, thanks to All. And please, go easy with each other. There are lots of opinions and lots of personalities. The art of listening and learning personal interaction is key to our success on the site.


Ciao for now.


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 Sarge,


I clicked the thumbs down on accident, meant to be a thumbs up!!! 


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so sad but true. we military veterans have a common term for such acts. it's known as "stolen valor." it is an absolute insult not to mention  feeling  like u were punched in the stomach. sociopath's are notorious for these acts although not everyone who pulls or tries these stunts is one. i've only read it's a common thing among people who have the disorder. those who don't, scam artists or any number of things. i support u all 100% even if i am not nor have been LE.


thank you uncle dennis for what u r doing, it is making a world of difference.

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Having been taking in by the aforementioned imposter (won't use her "name"), I particularly appreciate the efforts of everyone who takes on the task of calling out the phonies. The Sarge is very dilligent in attempting to maintaining the integrity that this site has garnered since he became the head honcho. But he can't do it alone. Thanks to all of you who look out for the rest of us by weeding out the unsavory and those with ill intentions.


Uncledennis rightly deserves praise for his tenacity and determination for keeping another faker out of our circle. Everyone else who take on the badge bunnies, haters in disguise, and the other malcontents should stand proud for keeping PL the great site that it has become. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's the best in town.


 


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 Comrades,


Policelink is and has always been a open public website. This is nothing new. It may have members and staff that happen to be police officers or deputies, but make no mistake it is a civilian social media website. The verification process has gotten better but is not iron-clad. The only true verified LEO is the one standing next to you on your call.


I say this because many of my brothers and sisters here, over the years, have expressed a desire to have a place where they can "let their hair down" and relax. Unfortunately, due to the very nature of social media websites, public access and the very real possibility that your writings/thoughts will be a permanent record, no website on the entire internet is truly secure.


If you would not talk about ANYTHING to a civilian, or, have information disseminated to civilians DO NOT talk about it here. If you would not want anything repeated back to you during a formal District or Superior Court trial, do not talk about it here. If you would not want to have your statements read back to you by your Chief or Sheriff, do not talk about it here. There is no such thing as a "secure" forum. This is common sense.

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Thank you for your diligence Uncle D. I know for sure I'll never see Keith Richards on this site either.

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There have been dozens over the years, and will probably be dozens more still to come. Like Caligirl said, anyone can say anything about themselves on any website. it's a matter of anonimity. They feel they're anonymous, hiding behind a computer screen and fake name. Worst one I've seen here was one who portrayed themselves as an officer and faked their own death, using this site and the "Family of Members". Some of you know exactly who I'm talking about.


Keep up the work UncaD. Root them out, and we'll oust them.



 


36TR, I know exactly who you are talking about and she even had a husband that really was a LEO which made it all the worse! I really tore up the members on this website as we take care of our own which we thought was her. Like UncleD says, we worked hard for that title both physically and mentally and continued all of that hard work physically and mentally all the time and while doing that faced the very real danger of being seriously hurt, disabled, or even death. Naturally we take it very serious when someone impersonates a LEO.


UncleD has done this website a great service hunting them out and everyone here should be grateful for his actions. I know he doesn't do it for any accolades, he does it because it is a passion of him. Way to go Chief!

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 Comrades,


(see above) 


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Hey Daynge, I would say that the verification process now is not only iron-clad but as good as any simple background check. I can't account for unsure civilians who didn't bother checking anything during a few years back.


And, yes, everyone needs to know that Law Enforcement investigators have lots of back-door and back shop access that the average bear does not. So yup, sitting in the LEO-Only pub in town is one thing. Letting our collective short-long hair down here is another. Still, interaction can and does remain 'free'. By the way, .... nice to see you !!!



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Hey Daynge, I would say that the verification process now is not only iron-clad but as good as any simply background check. I can't account for unsure civilians who didn't bother checking anything during a few years back.



And, yes, every one needs to know that Law Enforcement investigators have lots of back-door and back shop access that the average bear does not. So yup, sitting in the LEO-Only pub in town is one thing. Letting our collective short-long hair down here is another. Still, interaction can and does remain 'free'. By the way, .... nice to see you !!!



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As one of the members who was hornswaggled by the un-named imposter you all have been talking about. Yep, 36TR was getting PHONE CALLS from me the night she "died". Anyway, not going there, that is why if I say someone if verified, I have CALLED their agency  and spoken to either HR or their supervisor. So if you don't want my calling your agency, don't ask for LEO only access !!!


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[snip] So if you don't want my calling your agency, don't ask for LEO only access !!!



I know some have raised this in the past as the reason they were reluctant to get LEO-only access. Perfectly understandable under the current anti-social media climate. Some agencies frown upon such registrations. Others are so long retired (are retired still eligible?) they may not have any avenue or contact that can confirm their past position.


Bear in mind I'm not suggesting relaxing the criteria--just underlining legit reasons why legit LEOs may choose not to apply for access. Another legit reason is they simply don't want to. I've got no gripe with the casual conversation method of exposing posers/wannabees, but IMO people should approach it with the assumption that they may be talking to one of their own.




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TheSarge says ...



Hey Daynge, I would say that the verification process now is not only iron-clad but as good as any simply background check. I can't account for unsure civilians who didn't bother checking anything during a few years back.



And, yes, every one needs to know that Law Enforcement investigators have lots of back-door and back shop access that the average bear does not. So yup, sitting in the LEO-Only pub in town is one thing. Letting our collective short-long hair down here is another. Still, interaction can and does remain 'free'. By the way, .... nice to see you !!!



Hair?


 


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Yes, sir. It's a genetic thing that qualifies you to be a mammal. You don't have to have a lot. Even that stuff poppin' out of your ears will work.



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Hair?


 


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Yes, sir. It's a genetic thing that qualifies you to be a mammal. You don't have to have a lot. Even that stuff poppin' out of your ears will work.



I was going to mention nose hair, but people like to trim those here in the colder climates to avoid icicle hazards.





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This is the PL I knows and loves.


Launches atttack on impostors, lists past crimes, segues into conflict, handles incoming, revisits protocols, underscores loyalty, lands on NOSE HAIR!!!

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mz66 says ...



Cat_D says ...



[snip] So if you don't want my calling your agency, don't ask for LEO only access !!!



I know some have raised this in the past as the reason they were reluctant to get LEO-only access. Perfectly understandable under the current anti-social media climate. Some agencies frown upon such registrations. Others are so long retired (are retired still eligible?) they may not have any avenue or contact that can confirm their past position.


Bear in mind I'm not suggesting relaxing the critiera--just underlining legit reasons why legit LEOs may choose not to apply for access. Another legit reason is they simply don't want to. I've got no gripe with the casual conversation method of exposing posers/wannabees, but IMO people should approach it with the assumption that they may be talking to one of their own.



You my Friend are going to find yourself helping me track down something to show a retire is legit !!! LOL


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 Thank you UncleD for being overly perceptive. I enjoy your posts and someone can learn a whole lot reading the forums. It actually shows some of the finess of policework. Keep up the good work.

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TheSarge says ...



Dayngerus says ...



 Comrades,


(see above) 


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Hey Daynge, I would say that the verification process now is not only iron-clad but as good as any simple background check. I can't account for unsure civilians who didn't bother checking anything during a few years back.


And, yes, everyone needs to know that Law Enforcement investigators have lots of back-door and back shop access that the average bear does not. So yup, sitting in the LEO-Only pub in town is one thing. Letting our collective short-long hair down here is another. Still, interaction can and does remain 'free'. By the way, .... nice to see you !!!


 


It's good to be seen. I'm almost always lurking here somewhere Sarge. It's just about the only place in my career where I've ever remotely been "under cover". I couldn't pull off a plain clothes vice post if my life depended on it.


I'm not doubting your skills on the verification process, just the security of the worldwide web.


You're right, the "cyber cops" (aka: nerds) are able to pull an unbelievable amount of data on a particular user and we (the cops) aren't the only ones using those skills and that equipment. Just about every day I read the news story fodder about an officer's embarrassing Facebook account, Twitter, etc... Just want folks to be mindful but not paranoid. ;-)


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I see "vigilantetroll" has been booted (again) from the site.  Wonder when and under what name he will return next time?


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

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We have to watch our professionalism to a "T" out on the road. . . .I don't want to have to examine every word I utter, or type when I am off duty.  Thus, I don't go to places that I have to watch what I say and do and because this site has tightened up so much, this is the reason that I have pulled back quite a bit from this site.  While the commaraderie may still be there. . . . .it has definitely taken a beating from the trolls that have gone after officers employment AND from those that feel the officers on this site must keep their on-duty public demeanor here on this site. . . . .i.e. Political Correctness is killing Police Link.  JMHO



 


Bravo!  Very well said and right on target.     You are not the only one limiting their time here for those same reasons. 

DL

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