For a second there I thought, "What has mz66 got against President Van Buren for crying out loud??!" BWAHAHA!!! 

  O THOU UNCOUTH!

mz66 says ...

Yes, I am quite uncouth, Marly Van Buren. I shall endeavour to use the correct fork next time.

And then there's...

SGT405 says ...

1/25/2013

This President has used more executive orders than Clinton,Bush1 and Bush2 combined according to the stats I read.  That is nothing more than circumventing our system of government.

An administration that wants to ban all guns yet illegally sends Mexico hundreds in operation Fast&Furious.

The republicans cry that our individual rights are being eroded yet they under Bush2 gave us the Patriot act which eroded more civil liberties than at any time in U.S. history.

The argument that the 2nd amendment is a states militia/guard right and not an individual one is laughable. The entire Constitution and the Bill of Rights are solely INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS granted by our creator. It grants the branches of government authority FROM US! If the gun control advocates argument is to hold water then everywhere in the constitution the word PEOPLE must be replaced with the word STATE. This would in effect make the Constitution worthless.

 All Politics aside (YA RIGHT) , it's obvious to Stevy Wonder the difference of the Patriot Act in the hands of someone trying to protect the United States during a time of crises and the Present Administrations usage of it's powers to put the squeeze on the Constitutionality of the separation of Powers in the three branches. No doubt in my mind that pretty much all Politicians once elected forget about the promises they made to get elected , "ALL BECAUSE OF THE GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK IN WASHINGTON". Any elected official with a heart of gold gets it's introduction to the "REAL WORLD OF POLITICS" with the Freshman introduction speeches , "EITHER DO AS YOU ARE TOLD OR YOU WILL BE BANISHED TO SOME COMMITTEE THAT STUDIES BED BUGS LONGEVITY IN A MATTRESS" ! The initial seat holders in Washington have the power to do as they please be they Republican or Democrat , they are all part of the same "CORRUPT ELEMENT LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES ONLY AS A PRIMARY ON GOING FILIBUSTER TO GET RE-ELECTED". They do only what they have to do "BECAUSE OF PUBLIC PRESSURE" and right now the pressure is from the "LAZY UNEMPLOYED WHO WANT A FREE PAY CHECK , FOOD STAMPS , A NO JOB LOAN FOR A HOUSE" , I could right a novel on the Lefty Free Loading Socialist Society that refuses to earn a living but you guys and girls already know that because the present day working Officers are having to do more with less and the Left Wing is now trying to remove the only "BACK UP YOU HAVE IN THE ARMED AMERICAN CITIZEN" that is a Law Abiding creature by nature not to mention trusting in Big Brother to keep the Law and Order. The Left Socialist side of Politics is presently on display in almost every facet of our lives right now . The only hindrance to a total socialist dictator ship is "THE SECOND AMENDMENT". In small incremental ways , the Left has eroded (with the help and guidance of the ACLU and others) to remove certain Polymers that Hold This Country to a Much Higher Standard then anyone else. Our Patriotism to our God (regardless of Religion) , our Flag , and our Founding Fathers far reaching visions of Human Greed were foreseen by the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION that they so aptly conceived for our Republic to outlast any and all other forms of Government. It's not perfect because of GREED but it is workable because the "WE THE PEOPLE" concept keeps it viable against the Power Hungry Politicians. If I haven't made my point by now , I guess I never will because "YOU THE WORKING CENTURIONS" are dealing in it's pit falls for the past four years and for the next four years to come. It's a matter of survival and with Gods guidance the right people in the right places will come forward to end the power grabs presently in progress. "MUCH LIKE TODAYS DECISION THAT THE PRESIDENT OVER REACHED AND BROKE THE LAW IN MAKING APPOINTMENTS WHILE CONGRESS WAS IN SESSION" , that was stated by the appeals court of three federal Judges stating in the decision that technicalities do matter when it comes to Law and regardless of the hundreds of decisions made by the Illegal Appointments , they will all be reversed on an individual basis. Lies don't get it when it comes to the Court on a fact finding mission . Now if they will only press Hillary after they get some whistle blowers from the inside to pony up "WHO REFUSED THE MILITARY INTERVENTION TO SAVE OUR FOUR AMERICAN DIPLOMATS??????????????????????

mz66 says ...

It looks like snopes has done a write-up on that hoax, Al:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

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You know...it's really disheartening to see people I know normally do a little fact checking just roll over and spew the first chain letter that lands in their email. This whole topic has made normally sensible people lose all perspective. Very depressing. :(

Under ordinary circumstances, Al, I would've PM'ed you advising this--but the way people in general have been going full steam ahead with complete fantasy in order to advance their own paranoid agenda has really tweaked me off. I apologize that you had to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. For you, I will assume that this was an honest mistake.

 

Thanks for being passive/aggressive!  I guess asking me was out of the question?

With this I am out of this. So don't bother. I will not even check this thread anymore.

mz66 says ...

Those are not executive order counts, Al--those are the file numbers associated with the executive orders.. In other words, the 13632 number you quoted is not a total, but a serial number of sorts. Sigh. 

And no, I don't have it out for you. I also have a plumbing emergency here, so I can't give this the attention it deserves.

Allright. I misunderstood the table in the F.R.  . I made a mistake. I guess thats a foreign concept to you. You have insulted me and my intelligence  now in 3 posts.  In the future, if your ego will allow, take any problem you have with me in private. I would never say what you did in public. How sad.

It's the weekend!

Instead of fact checking one another and worrying about how many EO's each pres has made, let's all go get a beer from the fridge and toast one another for surviving another week and plan to toast one another next weekend for surviving next week...

I do sometimes lose my composure and I have done so much more often lately since this whole stinkin' debate started a few weeks ago. I've actually alienated people with whom I had been friends for decades over this stupid crap recently--color you not surprised, right? Yes, cry you a river for me, right? Go ahead--I can take it.

I don't see how I insulted your intelligence in 3 posts. I did cross the line with the chain letter quip and I do sincerely apologize for that.

Like I said, Al--you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. My frustration with the huge amount of dis- AND mis-information being propagated has reached epic proportions and you just happened to light a spark under some very dry kindling. I PM people all the time when a correction is called for. Occasionally I feel it would be a more economical use of my time to post a correction publicly. This was one of those times. Nonetheless, I wish I had found the wisdom to do it more tactfully, but I was too angry.

Although I stand by my analysis in general, I am ashamed of my outburst and very sorry you were at the receiving end.

P.S.  I'm sure a lot of people here assume I'm anti-2nd amendment. You are wrong. Perhaps this is why I'm so fracked up about this--I am constantly in the middle, pointing out disingenuous soundbites, hypocrisies, etcetera on both sides. Unfortunately, both sides have their hands clamped over their ears going "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" 

Utter poppycock. Fact checking is needed...I'm tired of the constant stream of mis-and-dis-information. My indiscretion was with Sgt405, not you. You have a nice day.

The bid for Fire with Fire.  A call to combat In Cold Blood. 

Or...don't bring an accusing finger to a massacre?    That's a whole lotta smoke in the background.  And... Psychos Plural. 

This gun control poster uses humor to push the envelope on the definition of 'militia' and the uninfringed 'right to keep and bear.'

(Pours a Sapporo) Skol, darsavmo!

Going further, this gun control poster wants you to dismiss altogether the notion of a maverick State.

It relegates 'The People' (self-governed elect) to 'The Populace' (population) to infer Second Amendment guarantee covers state militias only.  Going further, it suggests that any role of 'The People' is part of a twisted notion of anarchy and chaos.

Check out the use of diminishing type - something like a western frontier poster - in red.

An ugly one that recruits Ronald Reagan as Poster POTUS for Gun Control.  The textwall color recalls a Western Union telegraph, police crime scene tape, AND the Don't Tread On Me banner.

That's quite a smorgasbord.   

President Reagan looks irritated.  Is he being squeezed??

Share if you agree. 

BUMP

What I think when people claim Obama's coming to take away their guns: