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 Let's see Lawsuit is a CIVIL action. . . .not criminal.  A CIVIL action is brought about by a person that believes that they have been wronged by another, such as those that were outed as legitimate, law abiding gun owners by a newspaper that was trying to score points for their own agenda.  This LAWSUIT was not brought about by the government.  The Constitution and the Amendments attached to it are only there to keep the government in check, keep them from retaliating against the common person for speaking their minds.  A person that has been maliciously defamed has the right to have a trier of facts determine if they have suffered injury either by monetary or physical, due to some knuckleheads irresponsible use of the 1st Amendment rights.  Rights do require a certain amount of responsibilities.  Unfortunately, many of our fellow "citizens" have forgotten that



I don't know about you, but I was raised in a time when seatbelts and car seats were "optional".  Lived through a couple of different accidents also.  No, I don't have a problem with seatbelts or car seats.  I do believe that wearing a seatbelt should be a choice just like wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle should be also.  The information is out there as to the effectiveness of helmets and seatbelts and if a person wishes to become an organ donor (as long as it isn't their brain) then so be it.  Kind of goes back to that responsibility thing there.  What I was responding to is that with the laws governing the licensing, insuring and driving of a motor vehicle. . . . .the courts will not hold people responsible for driving suspended, driving without insurance, driving while intoxicated and general driving in particular.  At one time in Germany, a first offense drunk driving was AUTOMATICALLY a 3 year sentence to prison!  No, they did not have to crash into anything, they just went to prison and did not pass "GO" on the way there.


We kill 10's of thousands of people with motor vehicles every year, yet there is no call to ban automobiles.  Many of those people killed are children. . . . yet nothing comes about against the automobile.  Some lunatic decides to kill people in an elementary school and all of a sudden the gun is the bad guy.  Driving a motor vehicle is a PRIVILEDGE. . . .not a right.  Possession of a firearm is a RIGHT THAT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.  While you are more apt to be killed by a motor vehicle than with a firearm, the firearm is the badguy????


As for the words you are attempting to put into my mouth. . . .refer to the last paragraph, I think it will answer your statement/question.  If the paragraph isn't clear enough for you. . . . .YEPPERS!  My gun comes first every day of the week and twice on Sundays!


I don't post to offend you. . . .OR garner "teammates".  I just post the facts that history has parlayed into learning experiences.  If one refuses to learn from history and continue to pursue the same tried and true course that led to failure before and think that it will somehow magically become a good thing. . . . .THAT is the definition of INSANITY!


I see you still insist upon putting things into people's mouth. . . .why is that?  Do you think that you putting something into someone else's mouth will automatically make them think that way?  OR, is it that you are attempting to sway others thinking that they will believe the words you put into someone else's mouth?  I only made an observation of how Obama is following the same path in history as Hitler.  For those that DO know history. . . .it wasn't a pretty sight back then.  Roughly 6 million Jews lost their lives because their government started with the taking away their means of defense.  How many of their own people were killed because they were attempting to stop the government's genocide of it's own people?


You reference my quote of Ben Franklin but you dismiss it because he was neverr president???  WOW!  So, unless a person is President their words don't mean squat?  He was one of the framers of both the Declaration of Independence AND the Constitution of the United States.  He was also one of the signers.  Let's see, I would go through and list all of his contributions to our country like forming the first fire fighter department and putting together the post office but I don't have the space here.  Did I forget to tell you that he was one of the ones that pushed for our form of government to have a resemblance to the Swiss Constitution.  He was also the one that spent a lot of time in Europe getting support for our troops in pushing the British out of what would become our country.  I think the man had some semblance of intelligence and I find his quote right on the mark.  If you don't. . . .that is your opinion and you are welcome to it.


As for the "doing something". . . .let's enforce the laws that we already have instead of writing new laws that won't do a thing except make a whole new class of criminals.  I think that would go a lot further to solving the problem than writing new laws that the criminals won't follow anyways.



Ben F, was satire, I'm well aware of whom he was, but it made for a nice attack eh?  I look at these compiled pics from the likes of some Blogosphere who shares hate and disrespect for the POTUS.   Guilable, you say I am, that's laughable. Look at that last image, reminds me of that old Sesame Street Song, "One of these things, don't belong together".


Please stop power suggesting I don't believe or I don't think the USC is not Paramount, your dead wrong there.  I said there are other Amendments just as important, the 2nd isn't the most important or I think it they might have put that one first eh?


In other news.....I've heard you protest any aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and imo you talk in odd circles when it comes to helping/protecting people. 


I started this topic so others can mull over the Executive Orders, not as a Left vs Right,  It's beyond me why ranting started, heck, there are atleast  2-5 articlesposted daily in the news section for that.  This topic was a call to PL cristical thinkers to discuss the Executive Orders, will they work, why they may not work, is there a solution, ect.



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When Obama surrounds himself with children and says his actions are to protect children, and we know where he stands on abortion, the typical liberal stance, I think  the picture is very revelant to the discussion since we are talking about saving children, clearly no concern about the most helpless ones.

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When Obama surrounds himself with children and says his actions are to protect children, and we know where he stands on abortion, the typical liberal stance, I think  the picture is very revelant to the discussion since we are talking about saving children, clearly no concern about the most helpless ones.



Why are the helpless?  Because they have no voice in the matter.


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Beowulf_7 says ...



 Let's see Lawsuit is a CIVIL action. . . .not criminal.  A CIVIL action is brought about by a person that believes that they have been wronged by another, such as those that were outed as legitimate, law abiding gun owners by a newspaper that was trying to score points for their own agenda.  This LAWSUIT was not brought about by the government.  The Constitution and the Amendments attached to it are only there to keep the government in check, keep them from retaliating against the common person for speaking their minds.  A person that has been maliciously defamed has the right to have a trier of facts determine if they have suffered injury either by monetary or physical, due to some knuckleheads irresponsible use of the 1st Amendment rights.  Rights do require a certain amount of responsibilities.  Unfortunately, many of our fellow "citizens" have forgotten that



I don't know about you, but I was raised in a time when seatbelts and car seats were "optional".  Lived through a couple of different accidents also.  No, I don't have a problem with seatbelts or car seats.  I do believe that wearing a seatbelt should be a choice just like wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle should be also.  The information is out there as to the effectiveness of helmets and seatbelts and if a person wishes to become an organ donor (as long as it isn't their brain) then so be it.  Kind of goes back to that responsibility thing there.  What I was responding to is that with the laws governing the licensing, insuring and driving of a motor vehicle. . . . .the courts will not hold people responsible for driving suspended, driving without insurance, driving while intoxicated and general driving in particular.  At one time in Germany, a first offense drunk driving was AUTOMATICALLY a 3 year sentence to prison!  No, they did not have to crash into anything, they just went to prison and did not pass "GO" on the way there.


We kill 10's of thousands of people with motor vehicles every year, yet there is no call to ban automobiles.  Many of those people killed are children. . . . yet nothing comes about against the automobile.  Some lunatic decides to kill people in an elementary school and all of a sudden the gun is the bad guy.  Driving a motor vehicle is a PRIVILEDGE. . . .not a right.  Possession of a firearm is a RIGHT THAT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.  While you are more apt to be killed by a motor vehicle than with a firearm, the firearm is the badguy????


As for the words you are attempting to put into my mouth. . . .refer to the last paragraph, I think it will answer your statement/question.  If the paragraph isn't clear enough for you. . . . .YEPPERS!  My gun comes first every day of the week and twice on Sundays!


I don't post to offend you. . . .OR garner "teammates".  I just post the facts that history has parlayed into learning experiences.  If one refuses to learn from history and continue to pursue the same tried and true course that led to failure before and think that it will somehow magically become a good thing. . . . .THAT is the definition of INSANITY!


I see you still insist upon putting things into people's mouth. . . .why is that?  Do you think that you putting something into someone else's mouth will automatically make them think that way?  OR, is it that you are attempting to sway others thinking that they will believe the words you put into someone else's mouth?  I only made an observation of how Obama is following the same path in history as Hitler.  For those that DO know history. . . .it wasn't a pretty sight back then.  Roughly 6 million Jews lost their lives because their government started with the taking away their means of defense.  How many of their own people were killed because they were attempting to stop the government's genocide of it's own people?


You reference my quote of Ben Franklin but you dismiss it because he was neverr president???  WOW!  So, unless a person is President their words don't mean squat?  He was one of the framers of both the Declaration of Independence AND the Constitution of the United States.  He was also one of the signers.  Let's see, I would go through and list all of his contributions to our country like forming the first fire fighter department and putting together the post office but I don't have the space here.  Did I forget to tell you that he was one of the ones that pushed for our form of government to have a resemblance to the Swiss Constitution.  He was also the one that spent a lot of time in Europe getting support for our troops in pushing the British out of what would become our country.  I think the man had some semblance of intelligence and I find his quote right on the mark.  If you don't. . . .that is your opinion and you are welcome to it.


As for the "doing something". . . .let's enforce the laws that we already have instead of writing new laws that won't do a thing except make a whole new class of criminals.  I think that would go a lot further to solving the problem than writing new laws that the criminals won't follow anyways.



Ben F, was satire, I'm well aware of whom he was, but it made for a nice attack eh?  I look at these compiled pics from the likes of some Blogosphere who shares hate and disrespect for the POTUS.   Guilable, you say I am, that's laughable. Look at that last image, reminds me of that old Sesame Street Song, "One of these things, don't belong together".


Please stop power suggesting I don't believe or I don't think the USC is not Paramount, your dead wrong there.  I said there are other Amendments just as important, the 2nd isn't the most important or I think it they might have put that one first eh?


In other news.....I've heard you protest any aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and imo you talk in odd circles when it comes to helping/protecting people. 


I started this topic so others can mull over the Executive Orders, not as a Left vs Right,  It's beyond me why ranting started, heck, there are atleast  2-5 articlesposted daily in the news section for that.  This topic was a call to PL cristical thinkers to discuss the Executive Orders, will they work, why they may not work, is there a solution, ect.



Power suggesting. . . . hmmm, hadn't thought that bringing facts to the table was considered power suggesting.  The problem is, you have no argument for the facts and so you bypass the facts and attack people. . . .myself in this instance, on why I bring the things to the table that I do.  Oh well, he who can't stand up to the heat, tries to argue another way by attacking the messanger.  I can handle that.  As for the your response here. . . . .If you choose to start putting further parameters to the Constitution, then you don't think very highly of the men that wrote the document. . . .nor of the document itself.  The Contitution has a mechanism in place to alter it if it is deemed out of date on an issue. . . .it's called the Amendment process but it takes 2/3 of the states to approve the new Amendment.  Alterations cannot be taken at the Congressional/President level.  So for the President to think that he can alter the Amendments with the stroke of a pen shows how close to being king he actually thinks he is.


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Cedardale says ...



When Obama surrounds himself with children and says his actions are to protect children, and we know where he stands on abortion, the typical liberal stance, I think  the picture is very revelant to the discussion since we are talking about saving children, clearly no concern about the most helpless ones.


If you choose to see my point Cedardale, try rereading your comments starting with the first one.  It's started off sounding reasonable(your words) then it's just followed by verbal assualts and the constant reiteration of that dirty word (kinda like the C word) Liberal trying to connect the dots with someone that's abousolutly NOT.


If you never see my point about the topic being presented for the critical thinkers here at PL to discuss these EO's and see how they word, I can except that too.


That is all.



 



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LonnaNJ says...

Ben F, was satire, I'm well aware of whom he was, but it made for a nice attack eh?  I look at these compiled pics from the likes of some Blogosphere who shares hate and disrespect for the POTUS.   Guilable, you say I am, that's laughable. Look at that last image, reminds me of that old Sesame Street Song, "One of these things, don't belong together".


Please stop power suggesting I don't believe or I don't think the USC is not Paramount, your dead wrong there.  I said there are other Amendments just as important, the 2nd isn't the most important or I think it they might have put that one first eh?


In other news.....I've heard you protest any aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and imo you talk in odd circles when it comes to helping/protecting people. 


I started this topic so others can mull over the Executive Orders, not as a Left vs Right,  It's beyond me why ranting started, heck, there are atleast  2-5 articlesposted daily in the news section for that.  This topic was a call to PL cristical thinkers to discuss the Executive Orders, will they work, why they may not work, is there a solution, ect.



Power suggesting. . . . hmmm, hadn't thought that bringing facts to the table was considered power suggesting.  The problem is, you have no argument for the facts and so you bypass the facts and attack people. . . .myself in this instance, on why I bring the things to the table that I do.  Oh well, he who can't stand up to the heat, tries to argue another way by attacking the messanger.  I can handle that.  As for the your response here. . . . .If you choose to start putting further parameters to the Constitution, then you don't think very highly of the men that wrote the document. . . .nor of the document itself.  The Contitution has a mechanism in place to alter it if it is deemed out of date on an issue. . . .it's called the Amendment process but it takes 2/3 of the states to approve the new Amendment.  Alterations cannot be taken at the Congressional/President level.  So for the President to think that he can alter the Amendments with the stroke of a pen shows how close to being king he actually thinks he is.


I had to delete part of the quote because they are cumbersome.


I present facts from 21st century, doesn't mean I don't know or acknowledge history.  FACTS:  When I presented that aprox 33 children killed and about 700 adults died in gun violence since Newton-I got that from a reliable source, not the blogosphere.  So you have to be dubbed a "liberal" if our concern is for innocent Children and Adults victims?  Funny thing I'm not Dem or Pub, surprised-Don't ASSume??.


FOR THE LOVE OF GOD-NO ONE is asking to eradicate anyones weapons, I reiterate, If you read the EO's (which is the topic)  I think their rather laxed, but h3ll let's keep pushing the Redcoast are coming........smh.


ONE's PARANIOD FEAR OF a DYSTOPIC FUTURE, SHOULDN't MEAN PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP and sit with our tails between our legs and BECOME totally COMPLACENT because we don't TOTALLY assert your view BW7. Because if that is the case, the only amendment that is sacrosanct to you is your 2nd, and not the first or the others.


Rant away, put posters, Take more jabs at me, grab some teamates.   It's all good, Have a Blessed Day!



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 In my opinion, there is not one provision in this law that will stop a criminal. Only law abiding gun owners are being dragged over the coals for the acts of the mentally ill who commit heinous crimes.

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LonnaNJ says ...



Beowulf_7 says ...


LonnaNJ says...

Ben F, was satire, I'm well aware of whom he was, but it made for a nice attack eh?  I look at these compiled pics from the likes of some Blogosphere who shares hate and disrespect for the POTUS.   Guilable, you say I am, that's laughable. Look at that last image, reminds me of that old Sesame Street Song, "One of these things, don't belong together".


Please stop power suggesting I don't believe or I don't think the USC is not Paramount, your dead wrong there.  I said there are other Amendments just as important, the 2nd isn't the most important or I think it they might have put that one first eh?


In other news.....I've heard you protest any aid to victims of Hurricane Sandy, and imo you talk in odd circles when it comes to helping/protecting people. 


I started this topic so others can mull over the Executive Orders, not as a Left vs Right,  It's beyond me why ranting started, heck, there are atleast  2-5 articlesposted daily in the news section for that.  This topic was a call to PL cristical thinkers to discuss the Executive Orders, will they work, why they may not work, is there a solution, ect.



Power suggesting. . . . hmmm, hadn't thought that bringing facts to the table was considered power suggesting.  The problem is, you have no argument for the facts and so you bypass the facts and attack people. . . .myself in this instance, on why I bring the things to the table that I do.  Oh well, he who can't stand up to the heat, tries to argue another way by attacking the messanger.  I can handle that.  As for the your response here. . . . .If you choose to start putting further parameters to the Constitution, then you don't think very highly of the men that wrote the document. . . .nor of the document itself.  The Contitution has a mechanism in place to alter it if it is deemed out of date on an issue. . . .it's called the Amendment process but it takes 2/3 of the states to approve the new Amendment.  Alterations cannot be taken at the Congressional/President level.  So for the President to think that he can alter the Amendments with the stroke of a pen shows how close to being king he actually thinks he is.


I had to delete part of the quote because they are cumbersome.


I present facts from 21st century, doesn't mean I don't know or acknowledge history.  FACTS:  When I presented that aprox 33 children killed and about 700 adults died in gun violence since Newton-I got that from a reliable source, not the blogosphere.  So you have to be dubbed a "liberal" if our concern is for innocent Children and Adults victims?  Funny thing I'm not Dem or Pub, surprised-Don't ASSume??.


FOR THE LOVE OF GOD-NO ONE is asking to eradicate anyones weapons, I reiterate, If you read the EO's (which is the topic)  I think their rather laxed, but h3ll let's keep pushing the Redcoast are coming........smh.


ONE's PARANIOD FEAR OF a DYSTOPIC FUTURE, SHOULDN't MEAN PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP and sit with our tails between our legs and BECOME totally COMPLACENT because we don't TOTALLY assert your view BW7. Because if that is the case, the only amendment that is sacrosanct to you is your 2nd, and not the first or the others.


Rant away, put posters, Take more jabs at me, grab some teamates.   It's all good, Have a Blessed Day!



Interesting. . . . .so, as long as I believe what you believe I'm a critical thinker.  If I choose to believe that which does not coincide with your view, I'm a "PARANOID" individual that believes the end of the world is here and we all have to prepare for the end of times.  I think I see. . . . . .you have yet to address any of the meat of what I have put forth (which does fit spot on with your original premise for this thread), only because your view of things are that "something must be done for the kids". . . .and I don't.  Yet, you will browbeat me for my beliefs to the point of putting words in my mouth as I have stated in prior posts on this thread.  You have beat completely around that bush with addressing the concerns of those that don't happen to see things the same way you do.  That is a shame because there cannot be a productive argument if the only people involved. . . .or allowed to be involved, in the argument have to believe the same thing as the person that put forth the topic.  A valid argument requires people of differing beliefs or points of view, come together and banter things about from their differing view points BUT, they have to address the meat of what the other person has said. . . .which I have. . . . .but you have not.  Attacking someone as a paranoid individual does not put weight to your view.  Putting forth facts that support your view is the only thing that adds weight to your view.


Speaking of these "700 adults that have died due to gun violence since Newton". . . . .what exactly are you talking about?  Was there another mass shooting that was not put out on the news or are these the single shots here and there over the last month for the entire U.S.?  You put forth the statistic. . . . .put forth the context and source of your statistics.


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LonnaNJ says ...



I had to delete part of the quote because they are cumbersome.


I present facts from 21st century, doesn't mean I don't know or acknowledge history.  FACTS:  When I presented that aprox 33 children killed and about 700 adults died in gun violence since Newton-I got that from a reliable source, not the blogosphere.  So you have to be dubbed a "liberal" if our concern is for innocent Children and Adults victims?  Funny thing I'm not Dem or Pub, surprised-Don't ASSume??.


FOR THE LOVE OF GOD-NO ONE is asking to eradicate anyones weapons, I reiterate, If you read the EO's (which is the topic)  I think their rather laxed, but h3ll let's keep pushing the Redcoast are coming........smh.


ONE's PARANIOD FEAR OF a DYSTOPIC FUTURE, SHOULDN't MEAN PEOPLE SHOULD JUST SHUT UP and sit with our tails between our legs and BECOME totally COMPLACENT because we don't TOTALLY assert your view BW7. Because if that is the case, the only amendment that is sacrosanct to you is your 2nd, and not the first or the others.


Rant away, put posters, Take more jabs at me, grab some teamates.   It's all good, Have a Blessed Day!



Interesting. . . . .so, as long as I believe what you believe I'm a critical thinker.  If I choose to believe that which does not coincide with your view, I'm a "PARANOID" individual that believes the end of the world is here and we all have to prepare for the end of times.  I think I see. . . . . .you have yet to address any of the meat of what I have put forth (which does fit spot on with your original premise for this thread), only because your view of things are that "something must be done for the kids". . . .and I don't.  Yet, you will browbeat me for my beliefs to the point of putting words in my mouth as I have stated in prior posts on this thread.  You have beat completely around that bush with addressing the concerns of those that don't happen to see things the same way you do.  That is a shame because there cannot be a productive argument if the only people involved. . . .or allowed to be involved, in the argument have to believe the same thing as the person that put forth the topic.  A valid argument requires people of differing beliefs or points of view, come together and banter things about from their differing view points BUT, they have to address the meat of what the other person has said. . . .which I have. . . . .but you have not.  Attacking someone as a paranoid individual does not put weight to your view.  Putting forth facts that support your view is the only thing that adds weight to your view.


Speaking of these "700 adults that have died due to gun violence since Newton". . . . .what exactly are you talking about?  Was there another mass shooting that was not put out on the news or are these the single shots here and there over the last month for the entire U.S.?  You put forth the statistic. . . . .put forth the context and source of your statistics.


Does it have to be a Mass shooting to sympathize innocent children and adults BW7?


Do you think it hasn't been 33+ Children and about 700 deaths since Newton?


Again....sighs... the Topic of the thread would garner different opinions shared-yourargument is invalid, I't has absolutly nothing about who "agrees" with me.  Notice half of the respondence realized it was about the EO's, and what they think would work and/or resolve the problem of Gun Violence?    Mental Health was brought up, ect.... I read these comments from tenured LEO's as well as the civilians whether I agree at the time or not fyi to ponder if there are on to something that I may not have considered..


Now after practically calling me "guliable" pffft, you are now power suggesting I'm making up "stats" to win some argument, well guess what, Stats from reliable sources (NOT blogopheres where I know these pics abound) are forthcoming.  


Then maybe, just maybe we can get back to the topic at hand??



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WOW, DID SOMETHING HAPPEN IN NEWTON?????????????????


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Does it have to be a Mass shooting to sympathize innocent children and adults BW7?




 


Do you think it hasn't been 33+ Children and about 700 deaths since Newton?




 


Again....sighs... the Topic of the thread would garner different opinions shared-yourargument is invalid, I't has absolutly nothing about who "agrees" with me. Notice half of the respondence realized it was about the EO's, and what they think would work and/or resolve the problem of Gun Violence? Mental Health was brought up, ect.... I read these comments from tenured LEO's as well as the civilians whether I agree at the time or not fyi to ponder if there are on to something that I may not have considered..




 


Now after practically calling me "guliable" pffft, you are now power suggesting I'm making up "stats" to win some argument, well guess what, Stats from reliable sources (NOT blogopheres where I know these pics abound) are forthcoming.




 


Then maybe, just maybe we can get back to the topic at hand??


 


I guess I must be wrong. . . . I thought 16 1/2 years as a Michigan State Trooper (full police powers), working the 50 mile stretch between the top two deadliest cities in the United States (Detroit/Flint cities according to the FBI statistics) does not make me tenured.  DARN!  I was so working hard on getting to the point of being tenured so I knew what I was talking about.


As for the "amount" of victims having to be up there. . . . .no, you put those words in my mouth. . . .again.  I guess that shouldn't surprise me from someone that cannot offer anything but pulled heartstrings and inaccurate accusations against someone that does not believe the way they do.  I don't normally talk about the negativity that came with the job because the negativity just belongs locked up in a box somewhere and not looked at constantly.  HOWEVER, I will let you in a bit.


Out of EVERYTHING that happened to, and around, me during my "tenure", if there was anything that I could point to that comes as close to haunting me from that time, is the one funeral I went to for a fellow trooper.  Now I have been to my share (if one has a share of this) police officer's funerals. . . .but this one has bothered me to this day. . . .12 years later.


The trooper and his partner had initiated a traffic stop a vehicle at approximately 2am.  As the trooper (driver) was getting out of the patrol vehicle on an empty Detroit freeway, he started walking towards the vehicle and before he cleared the front of his scout car, a drunk driver struck him hard enough that the trooper hit the windshield of badguy's car. . . . .leaving troopers handcuffs in the front seat of badguy's car.  Badguy continues on his way to work at an automobile assembly plant.  Badguy was identified later on by the handcuffs he was attempting to sell to his plant mates.


The funeral was like most all of the other police officer funerals I had been too until. . . . . . . . .just after they had removed whatever State Police property (I really don't know what they removed) and had pulled the guard back from the casket, the funeral home workers went to close the coffin.  At this moment the trooper's 6 year old daughter SCREAMS out, "DADDY, DADDY, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE!  WAAAKKKEE UUUUUUPPP!"  That specific moment has forever been etched into my mind and under the right conditions will bring about misty eyes.


So, do I need a mass killing to bring about sympathy?  No, but I also refuse to wear my heart on my sleeve anymore.  I REFUSE to allow feelings the chance to dictate to me what type of decision I need to make.  Feelings only get in the way of a well thought out decision and a poorer decision comes about. . . .i.e. let's chip away at our Constitution even more when something we don't like happens instead of holding those responsible to account for their actions.


I believe I have kept with the original premise of your thread and only offer up things that on the surface may not appear to follow the original premise, but they are offered up to re-inforce the reasoning behind the ideas that have been proffered.  Without such background for that reasoning, yes. . . .one could seem to be a babbling idiot.  Yet, once someone provides either proofs or the reasonings why, while you may not agree with them. . . . .you should at least be able to respect the WHY someone believes what they do.


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Part of the problem with this discussion is the executive actions listed initially are not allof the POTUS plans, assault rifle ban, high cap. magazine ban, and  registering of firearms are also part of his plans, and much of the recent discussion has been concerning this.  If you want to stick to just the ones listed,the discussion would be much different if that were done.

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Does it have to be a Mass shooting to sympathize innocent children and adults BW7?




 


Do you think it hasn't been 33+ Children and about 700 deaths since Newton?


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     Again....sighs... the Topic of the thread would garner different opinions shared-yourargument is invalid, I't has absolutly nothing about who "agrees" with me. Notice half of the respondence realized it was about the EO's, and what they think would work and/or resolve the problem of Gun Violence? Mental Health was brought up, ect.... I read these comments from tenured LEO's as well as the civilians whether I agree at the time or not fyi to ponder if thre on to something that I may not have considered..


     Now after practically calling me "guliable" pffft, you are now power suggesting I'm making up "stats" to win some argument, well guess what, Stats from reliable sources (NOT blogopheres where I know these pics abound) are forthcoming.


     Then maybe, just maybe we can get back to the topic at hand??


 


I guess I must be wrong. . . . I thought 16 1/2 years as a Michigan State Trooper...


 "Who suggested you aren't tenured? " The statement was "I read these comments from tenured LEO's as well as the civilians whether I agree at the time or not to ponder if they are on to something that I may not have considered".


  I guess that shouldn't surprise me from someone that cannot offer anything but pulled heartstrings and inaccurate accusations against someone that does not believe the way they do.


Snip:  So I should ONLY believe the way you do, or I'm lying" Sounds a bit like what  dictators practiced, { everyones lying to you, except me"} 


Out of EVERYTHING that happened to, and around, me during my "tenure", if there was anything that I could point to that comes as close to haunting me from that time, is the one funeral I went to for a fellow trooper.  Now I have been to my share (if one has a share of this) police officer's funerals. . . .but this one has bothered me to this day. . . .12 years later.


The trooper and his partner had initiated a traffic stop a vehicle at approximately 2am.  As the trooper (driver) was getting out of the patrol vehicle on an empty Detroit freeway, he started walking towards the vehicle and before he cleared the front of his scout car, a drunk driver struck him hard enough that the trooper hit the windshield of badguy's car. . . . .leaving troopers handcuffs in the front seat of badguy's car.  Badguy continues on his way to work at an automobile assembly plant.  Badguy was identified later on by the handcuffs he was attempting to sell to his plant mates.


The funeral was like most all of the other police officer funerals I had been too until. . . . . . . . .just after they had removed whatever State Police property (I really don't know what they removed) and had pulled the guard back from the casket, the funeral home workers went to close the coffin.  At this moment the trooper's 6 year old daughter SCREAMS out, "DADDY, DADDY, THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE!  WAAAKKKEE UUUUUUPPP!"  That specific moment has forever been etched into my mind and under the right conditions will bring about misty eyes.


So, do I need a mass killing to bring about sympathy?  No, but I also refuse to wear my heart on my sleeve anymore.  I REFUSE to allow feelings the chance to dictate to me what type of decision I need to make.  Feelings only get in the way of a well thought out decision and a poorer decision comes about. . . .i.e. let's chip away at our Constitution even more when something we don't like happens instead of holding those responsible to account for their actions.


I believe I have kept with the original premise of your thread and only offer up things that on the surface may not appear to follow the original premise, but they are offered up to re-inforce the reasoning behind the ideas that have been proffered.  Without such background for that reasoning, yes. . . .one could seem to be a babbling idiot.  Yet, once someone provides either proofs or the reasonings why, while you may not agree with them. . . . .you should at least be able to respect the WHY someone believes what they do.


FIrst and foremost I'm sorry you had to go through the experience of a brother in blue, which Is also a big part of why I mull over more safe regulations-NOT eradication weapons.  As I've mention 2-3 times in this thread, I can listen to aposing views if you even bothered to read.


So this begs the question, is it going to go back and forth like a teenage couple on who's right and who's wrong, or can we get back to the original topic on finding reasonable anecdotes to stop put a damper on Gun violence for the safety of the innocent Children, Adults and First Responders and the submission of the EO's??



 


 



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I went back to review where the trolley left the rails and found that I did not post anything until you had posted 2 things that will throw up big, Big, BIG red flags to me everytime. . . . .further useless gun regulations and the rights of children that people use to pull on the heartstrings of another to persuade that person to see things their way.  The use of children in ANY argument is about as offensive to me as the person of color calling me racist for stopping them (mind you I worked midnights (by choice) and on a dark section of freeway could NEVER see the color of the people inside the vehicle until contact was made at the time of the stop).  Yes, I quoted you so later on someone could see the context in which I was making my comments and until I was personally attacked, was trying to keep from attacking anyone.  I did not harbor any malice towards you, just pointing out what I was seeing coming my way.


I will now bow out of this conversation as I believe I have more than elloquently. . . .or maybe not so elloquently, but I definitely left no reasonable doubt as to my stance, on the subject matter at hand.  Finally, from the framework of the original post and poll, I did keep my comments to what I perceived was the original intent of the thread.  What were our feelings on the topic and why.  Anything else I could explain here has already been provided in prior posts on this thread.


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Obama's actions mean nothing to me.  I am waiting to see what Congress does.  Got a feeling Obama is going to be eating some of his actions. So I am going to just sit back and wait.


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I went back to review where the trolley left the rails and found that I did not post anything until you had posted 2 things that will throw up big, Big, BIG red flags to me everytime. . . . .


Redflag, what wouldn't be to you, ? Plus BW7, you re-read comments after (I won't mentioned the persons name) deleted theirs.


useless gun regulations and the rights of children that people use to pull on the heartstrings of another to persuade that person to see things their way.  Yes, I care about  the almost 15,000 Children, First Responders, LEO's and other innocent people who died in '12 from obtaining an illegal fire arm, a stolen Legal fire Arm, A sold legal firearm inconjuction to Americas mental health problem.


The use of children in ANY argument is about as offensive to: 


The thread wasn't designed as an argument, you took it there, and even in your defense, Cue the word "Newton?"  No


ou I worked midnights (by choice) and on a dark section of freeway could NEVER see the color of the people inside the vehicle until contact was made at the time of the stop). 


That has nothing to do with the price of tea in China, but I do believe you and sorry you have to go through that, BUT, know you don't own anyone an explanation. 


Yes, I quoted you so later on someone could see the context in which I was making my comments and until I was personally attacked, was trying to keep from attacking anyone.  I did not harbor any malice towards you, just pointing out what I was seeing coming my way.


Dude, I'm on a computer lol, makes it hard to 'force' you to verbally attack me(as done in other threads), However, what's done is done.  I move forward and am still willing to listen, give my opinion w/o the mistitles thrown at me, and possibly learn from others but, respect begets respect unless there's a concrete reason someone doesn't deserve it. 


I will now bow out of this conversation as I believe I have more than elloquently. . . .or maybe not so elloquently, but I definitely left no reasonable doubt as to my stance, on the subject matter at hand. 


I get your stance on your pistola and how you are  trying to pre-warn us that the POTUS is in fact the new Hilter(although E'O's have been passed by Many other POTUS's with out the uproar"  But the meat and potatoes I hoped for weren't answered by you.  I may not agree with you, but expected better then what happened her.


Finally, from the framework of the original post and poll, I did keep my comments to what I perceived was the original intent of the thread. 


What were our feelings on the topic and why.  Anything else I could explain here has already been provided in prior posts on this thread.  "Our feelings, meaning you felt you needed to be the spokesperson others.  I'm not sure but it's sad to see the topic


Have a good night.


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The tide of popular opinion has turned against the Second Amendment and many people do support limitations on it. However the Second was created to defend the First. I wonder what would happen if the tide turns against "Right to Assemble" or "Trial by Jury" what do we do then?  We do nothing because we have allowed others to take away the ability to protect our Consitutional rights.


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LonnaNJ,


I find it very revealing of your hateful nature that I try to bow out gracefully, give an explanation as to the why and you still feel the need to attack.  I tried to leave you and your like minded robots to continue to express all of your pathetic little like minded misconceptions about what will fix the world and make it safe, yet you still find it necessary to use me as your point of hate, just to keep the fires burning.  You don't seem to get it that the world has evil in it, starting with Cain and Abel.  History, yes the history you refuse to acknowledge, has shown us that it won't matter what we do. . . .there will be someone out there that will attempt to ruin our day by taking from us the things we hold dear. . . .our children.  Look at China. . . .the idiot that ran through the elementary school mid-December injurying 22 people there.  Back in 2008 in Tokyo, a man ran through a train station wielding a knife, killed 7 people and injured another 13.  These are in a countries that supposedly have no guns for its citizens. . . .so they turn to the knife to do their handywork.  Boy, they seem doggone handy with sharp implements don't they?


Speaking of sharp implements. . . . .in our prisons.  They are supposed to be the most controlled environment in our United States, yet I would proffer a guess that 90+% of the criminals inside the walls of a prison either possess or at least have accesss to a shank, shiv or some other type of sharpened piece of something to stab each other or a guard if they feel the need.  Does that not explain that all of our President's "suggestions" are nothing more than pathetic responses to a terrible situation.  Those that we are trying to keep weapons out of their hands. . . .ARE GOING TO GET THEM NO MATTER WHAT!  The only people affected by ANY ban (oops), I mean "legitimate controls" on ANYTHING, are the law abiding people in the country.  So really, your attempts at trying to fix the world in this thread is like trying to bail out the Titanic with a colander (a large sieve).  Keep bailing!


Finally, history has also shown us that the motives behind those that would take our GOD given rights away, do it for other reasons than our own good.  Once that person has ensconced themselves into power over you, their true motives will come out.  Hell, this was never about left or right. . . .it was about right and wrong.  History has shown us again and again that absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But, you will never get it because you refuse to apply the lessons of history here because they don't support your agenda.  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS have been about "feel good" this or that.  I have yet to see where you got your 700+ dead people from gun violence in the last month.  Just because you tout the facts, I am calling you out to PROVE your facts for a 3rd time by showing where they come from and just exactly what you are talking about.  Until then, you can babble all you want but any of the actual "critical thinkers" that you so desperately wanted to participate in this conversation will see you as nothing more than a blow hard trying to gin up support for the erosion of our Constitution and its Amendments as proposed by the current dictator-in-chief.


Good day and keep on babbling,


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Boy, the government really took care of them. . . .didn't they.  Hasn't the government broken just about every treaty they have had with the Indian Nations?


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LonnaNJ,


I find it very revealing of your hateful nature that I try to bow out gracefully, give an explanation as to the why and you still feel the need to attack.  I tried to leave you and your like minded robots to continue to express all of your pathetic little like minded misconceptions about what will fix the world and make it safe, yet you still find it necessary to use me as your point of hate, just to keep the fires burning.  You don't seem to get it that the world has evil in it, starting with Cain and Abel.  History, yes the history you refuse to acknowledge, has shown us that it won't matter what we do. . . .there will be someone out there that will attempt to ruin our day by taking from us the things we hold dear. . . .our children.  Look at China. . . .the idiot that ran through the elementary school mid-December injurying 22 people there.  Back in 2008 in Tokyo, a man ran through a train station wielding a knife, killed 7 people and injured another 13.  These are in a countries that supposedly have no guns for its citizens. . . .so they turn to the knife to do their handywork.  Boy, they seem doggone handy with sharp implements don't they?


Hateful Nature?  Please enlightment me on who I hate, LEO here that I equally worry about alongside the ones I work with?  Children?  Victims of Sandy Hook.   Your WAAAAAY out of line saying  I have a hateful nature , but I'll take the "pathetic" comment because that's must be your way of saying Whaaa Whaaa I can't get her to assert my view  China, people have already brouught that up at work, Chinese kids also get injuredin sweatshops, Your Point it? I am More then well aware things that have happened abroad and that fact that people are killed by other means, I've seen DOA's, thwarted robbery attempts, snitched and ducked Gunshots,.  Let me ask you BW7, How many (homicide)crime scenes have You personally experienced where the crime investigators found a pair of scisssors on the scene?


Speaking of sharp implements. . . . .in our prisons.  They are supposed to be the most controlled environment in our United States, yet I would proffer a guess that 90+% of the criminals inside the walls of a prison either possess or at least have accesss to a shank, shiv or some other type of sharpened piece of something to stab each other or a guard if they feel the need. 


My friends a Director(that'swhat they call them in Jersey), he would probably say one less on the headcount.  Speaking of my friend, one of his CO's wound up leaving her SW on the tableand her son shot his 14 half brother to death.


Does that not explain that all of our President's "suggestions" are nothing more than pathetic responses to a terrible situation.  Those that we are trying to keep weapons out of their hands. . . .ARE GOING TO GET THEM NO MATTER WHAT!  The only people affected by ANY ban (oops), I mean "legitimate controls" on ANYTHING, are the law abiding people in the country.  So really, your attempts at trying to fix the world in this thread is like trying to bail out the Titanic with a colander (a large sieve).  Keep bailing!


I'll critique pathetic responses, If that's ok with you BW7. Luckily I have faith in most members here wether I agree with them or not. They are Husbands, Wives and people that do care.  May I suggest you explore some of the other forums?


Finally, history has also shown us that the motives behind those that would take our GOD given rights away, God given rights,


whooooo, " God"  believes Guns are sacrosent, but healthcare isn't?  that's laughable.


do it for other .reasons than our own good.  Once that person has ensconced themselves into power over you, their true motives will come out.  Hell, this was never about left or right. . . .it was about right and wrong.  History has shown us again and again that absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But, you will never get it because you refuse to apply the lessons of history here because they don't support your agenda.  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS have been about "feel good" this or that.  I have yet to see where you got your 700+ dead people from gun violence in the last moprayinth.  Just because you tout the facts, I am calling you out to PROVE your facts for a 3rd time by showing where they come from and just exactly what you are talking about.  Until then, you can babble all you want but any of the actual "critical thinkers" that you so desperately wanted to participate in this conversation will see you as nothing more than a blow hard trying to gin up support for the erosion of our Constitution and its Amendments as proposed by the current dictator-in-chief.


The way you come off at times BW7, It appears that you have WAAAY too much hate in your heart.  For example, when I saw  you upset that the victims of Hurricane Sandy needed financial relief, that angered you,  and now in this thread you choose to spew your offtopic ew ew ew I can demonize the President here, you immediately start typing BS in a reasonable Topic to discuss the effects, pros and cons of EO's. To make it even worse, you never read were I said I was mulling over it.


I back up what I say, and did try to insert my links from another article b/c I couldn't find the original.  The death toll (acording to the article) is 1009 since Newton.


You called me Guilable, hateful, pfffft........... I'll get those links in somehow, and I strongly feel you owe me an apology. 


God Bless and Be Safe love.


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LonnaNJ,


I find it very revealing of your hateful nature that I try to bow out gracefully, give an explanation as to the why and you still feel the need to attack.  I tried to leave you and your like minded robots to continue to express all of your pathetic little like minded misconceptions about what will fix the world and make it safe, yet you still find it necessary to use me as your point of hate, just to keep the fires burning.  You don't seem to get it that the world has evil in it, starting with Cain and Abel.  History, yes the history you refuse to acknowledge, has shown us that it won't matter what we do. . . .there will be someone out there that will attempt to ruin our day by taking from us the things we hold dear. . . .our children.  Look at China. . . .the idiot that ran through the elementary school mid-December injurying 22 people there.  Back in 2008 in Tokyo, a man ran through a train station wielding a knife, killed 7 people and injured another 13.  These are in a countries that supposedly have no guns for its citizens. . . .so they turn to the knife to do their handywork.  Boy, they seem doggone handy with sharp implements don't they?


Hateful Nature?  Please enlightment me on who I hate, LEO here that I equally worry about alongside the ones I work with?  Children?  Victims of Sandy Hook.   Your WAAAAAY out of line saying  I have a hateful nature , but I'll take the "pathetic" comment because that's must be your way of saying Whaaa Whaaa I can't get her to assert my view  China, people have already brouught that up at work, Chinese kids also get injuredin sweatshops, Your Point it? I am More then well aware things that have happened abroad and that fact that people are killed by other means, I've seen DOA's, thwarted robbery attempts, snitched and ducked Gunshots,.  Let me ask you BW7, How many (homicide)crime scenes have You personally experienced where the crime investigators found a pair of scisssors on the scene?


Speaking of sharp implements. . . . .in our prisons.  They are supposed to be the most controlled environment in our United States, yet I would proffer a guess that 90+% of the criminals inside the walls of a prison either possess or at least have accesss to a shank, shiv or some other type of sharpened piece of something to stab each other or a guard if they feel the need. 


My friends a Director(that'swhat they call them in Jersey), he would probably say one less on the headcount.  Speaking of my friend, one of his CO's wound up leaving her SW on the tableand her son shot his 14 half brother to death.


Does that not explain that all of our President's "suggestions" are nothing more than pathetic responses to a terrible situation.  Those that we are trying to keep weapons out of their hands. . . .ARE GOING TO GET THEM NO MATTER WHAT!  The only people affected by ANY ban (oops), I mean "legitimate controls" on ANYTHING, are the law abiding people in the country.  So really, your attempts at trying to fix the world in this thread is like trying to bail out the Titanic with a colander (a large sieve).  Keep bailing!


I'll critique pathetic responses, If that's ok with you BW7. Luckily I have faith in most members here wether I agree with them or not. They are Husbands, Wives and people that do care.  May I suggest you explore some of the other forums?


Finally, history has also shown us that the motives behind those that would take our GOD given rights away, God given rights,


whooooo, " God"  believes Guns are sacrosent, but healthcare isn't?  that's laughable.


do it for other .reasons than our own good.  Once that person has ensconced themselves into power over you, their true motives will come out.  Hell, this was never about left or right. . . .it was about right and wrong.  History has shown us again and again that absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But, you will never get it because you refuse to apply the lessons of history here because they don't support your agenda.  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS have been about "feel good" this or that.  I have yet to see where you got your 700+ dead people from gun violence in the last moprayinth.  Just because you tout the facts, I am calling you out to PROVE your facts for a 3rd time by showing where they come from and just exactly what you are talking about.  Until then, you can babble all you want but any of the actual "critical thinkers" that you so desperately wanted to participate in this conversation will see you as nothing more than a blow hard trying to gin up support for the erosion of our Constitution and its Amendments as proposed by the current dictator-in-chief.


The way you come off at times BW7, It appears that you have WAAAY too much hate in your heart.  For example, when I saw  you upset that the victims of Hurricane Sandy needed financial relief, that angered you,  and now in this thread you choose to spew your offtopic ew ew ew I can demonize the President here, you immediately start typing BS in a reasonable Topic to discuss the effects, pros and cons of EO's. To make it even worse, you never read were I said I was mulling over it.


I back up what I say, and did try to insert my links from another article b/c I couldn't find the original.  The death toll (acording to the article) is 1009 since Newton.


You called me Guilable, hateful, pfffft........... I'll get those links in somehow, and I strongly feel you owe me an apology. 


God Bless and Be Safe love.


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Steve



-http:www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_death_since_newtown_sand_hook_shooting.html


-http;;//www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shooting-happened-2012-84-dead



Okay, tried copying the links and got the page that said "Page not found" and page expired.  I highlighted the links, copied them and placed them as they were written here into the address line. . . . .not a thing.


As for enlightening you. . . . THAT'S a tuffy.  Your mind is so closed you can't take anymore information. . . .I guess it is because it is too filled with fluff and heartbreak.  I have stayed on topic the entire time, even with the last post.  What is it you do?  You don't rebuff the content. . . . .you go after me.  That's fine. . . .you ain't the first and won't be the last. . . .but it is a pathetic way of trying to win an argument.  You don't seem to have the resources at your disposal to argue the merits of your case so you attack the person bringing the annoying truth to light.


As for your friend's child, while I feel sorry that the child was killed . . . .but the child was killed due to your friend's idiocy. . . .not the gun's ability to kill.  The gun doesn't care. . . .it is a tool.  It is the wielder of the gun that chooses the target.  The gun only obeys the commands of the wielder of it.  If you believe otherwise, you definitely are a special kind of stupid.  And yes, I have the ability to be just as heartless as you do. . . .and then some.


Now I tried to leave gracefully, but you have chosen to ratchet it up a level.  Are your ready to go to the next level?  Because I will put the big boxing gloves on so as not to hurt you too much, but take the fight to you like you have done with me.  I have been avoiding this to the best of my ability. . . . but YOU have chosen to bring this about and if you wish to continue. . . .I will pick up the glove and bring it on.  BUT, remember this. . . once started, I won't stop.  Is this REALLY what you want?  Your choice.  Either get back on topic. . . .or argue with me. . . .make your choice, but DON'T push me and not expect to get pushed back. . . .because I am about to start pushing.


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LonnaNJ,


I find it very revealing of your hateful nature that I try to bow out gracefully, give an explanation as to the why and you still feel the need to attack.  I tried to leave you and your like minded robots to continue to express all of your pathetic little like minded misconceptions about what will fix the world and make it safe, yet you still find it necessary to use me as your point of hate, just to keep the fires burning.  You don't seem to get it that the world has evil in it, starting with Cain and Abel.  History, yes the history you refuse to acknowledge, has shown us that it won't matter what we do. . . .there will be someone out there that will attempt to ruin our day by taking from us the things we hold dear. . . .our children.  Look at China. . . .the idiot that ran through the elementary school mid-December injurying 22 people there.  Back in 2008 in Tokyo, a man ran through a train station wielding a knife, killed 7 people and injured another 13.  These are in a countries that supposedly have no guns for its citizens. . . .so they turn to the knife to do their handywork.  Boy, they seem doggone handy with sharp implements don't they?


Hateful Nature?  Please enlightment me on who I hate, LEO here that I equally worry about alongside the ones I work with?  Children?  Victims of Sandy Hook.   Your WAAAAAY out of line saying  I have a hateful nature , but I'll take the "pathetic" comment because that's must be your way of saying Whaaa Whaaa I can't get her to assert my view  China, people have already brouught that up at work, Chinese kids also get injuredin sweatshops, Your Point it? I am More then well aware things that have happened abroad and that fact that people are killed by other means, I've seen DOA's, thwarted robbery attempts, snitched and ducked Gunshots,.  Let me ask you BW7, How many (homicide)crime scenes have You personally experienced where the crime investigators found a pair of scisssors on the scene?


Speaking of sharp implements. . . . .in our prisons.  They are supposed to be the most controlled environment in our United States, yet I would proffer a guess that 90+% of the criminals inside the walls of a prison either possess or at least have accesss to a shank, shiv or some other type of sharpened piece of something to stab each other or a guard if they feel the need. 


My friends a Director(that'swhat they call them in Jersey), he would probably say one less on the headcount.  Speaking of my friend, one of his CO's wound up leaving her SW on the tableand her son shot his 14 half brother to death.


Does that not explain that all of our President's "suggestions" are nothing more than pathetic responses to a terrible situation.  Those that we are trying to keep weapons out of their hands. . . .ARE GOING TO GET THEM NO MATTER WHAT!  The only people affected by ANY ban (oops), I mean "legitimate controls" on ANYTHING, are the law abiding people in the country.  So really, your attempts at trying to fix the world in this thread is like trying to bail out the Titanic with a colander (a large sieve).  Keep bailing!


I'll critique pathetic responses, If that's ok with you BW7. Luckily I have faith in most members here wether I agree with them or not. They are Husbands, Wives and people that do care.  May I suggest you explore some of the other forums?


Finally, history has also shown us that the motives behind those that would take our GOD given rights away, God given rights,


whooooo, " God"  believes Guns are sacrosent, but healthcare isn't?  that's laughable.


do it for other .reasons than our own good.  Once that person has ensconced themselves into power over you, their true motives will come out.  Hell, this was never about left or right. . . .it was about right and wrong.  History has shown us again and again that absolute power corrupts absolutely.  But, you will never get it because you refuse to apply the lessons of history here because they don't support your agenda.  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS have been about "feel good" this or that.  I have yet to see where you got your 700+ dead people from gun violence in the last moprayinth.  Just because you tout the facts, I am calling you out to PROVE your facts for a 3rd time by showing where they come from and just exactly what you are talking about.  Until then, you can babble all you want but any of the actual "critical thinkers" that you so desperately wanted to participate in this conversation will see you as nothing more than a blow hard trying to gin up support for the erosion of our Constitution and its Amendments as proposed by the current dictator-in-chief.


The way you come off at times BW7, It appears that you have WAAAY too much hate in your heart.  For example, when I saw  you upset that the victims of Hurricane Sandy needed financial relief, that angered you,  and now in this thread you choose to spew your offtopic ew ew ew I can demonize the President here, you immediately start typing BS in a reasonable Topic to discuss the effects, pros and cons of EO's. To make it even worse, you never read were I said I was mulling over it.


I back up what I say, and did try to insert my links from another article b/c I couldn't find the original.  The death toll (acording to the article) is 1009 since Newton.


You called me Guilable, hateful, pfffft........... I'll get those links in somehow, and I strongly feel you owe me an apology. 


God Bless and Be Safe love.


Good day and keep on babbling,<---------Lead by example :)


Steve



-http:www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_death_since_newtown_sand_hook_shooting.html


-http;;//www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shooting-happened-2012-84-dead



Okay, tried copying the links and got the page that said "Page not found" and page expired.  I highlighted the links, copied them and placed them as they were written here into the address line. . . . .not a thing.


As for enlightening you. . . . THAT'S a tuffy.  Your mind is so closed you can't take anymore information. . . .I guess it is because it is too filled with fluff and heartbreak.  I have stayed on topic the entire time, even with the last post.  What is it you do?  You don't rebuff the content. . . . .you go after me.  That's fine. . . .you ain't the first and won't be the last. . . .but it is a pathetic way of trying to win an argument.  You don't seem to have the resources at your disposal to argue the merits of your case so you attack the person bringing the annoying truth to light.


As for your friend's child, while I feel sorry that the child was killed . . . .but the child was killed due to your friend's idiocy. . . .not the gun's ability to kill.  The gun doesn't care. . . .it is a tool.  It is the wielder of the gun that chooses the target.  The gun only obeys the commands of the wielder of it.  If you believe otherwise, you definitely are a special kind of stupid.  And yes, I have the ability to be just as heartless as you do. . . .and then some.


Now I tried to leave gracefully, but you have chosen to ratchet it up a level.  Are your ready to go to the next level?  Because I will put the big boxing gloves on so as not to hurt you too much, but take the fight to you like you have done with me.  I have been avoiding this to the best of my ability. . . . but YOU have chosen to bring this about and if you wish to continue. . . .I will pick up the glove and bring it on.  BUT, remember this. . . once started, I won't stop.  Is this REALLY what you want?  Your choice.  Either get back on topic. . . .or argue with me. . . .make your choice, but DON'T push me and not expect to get pushed back. . . .because I am about to start pushing.


Your comment to me looks like Ramble Ramble Ramble........I would love to Box withya as my GPoP faithfully attended Golden Gloves.  Sorry, but your threats to "fight" me don't scare me, not even a little.  BW7 don't stop talking, I'm diagnosing you, please continue.  Back on Topic I shall, that doesn't mean your posters plus your paranoia of a dystopic future fits my agenda.  Start Pushing toots, I helped delivered two kids, PUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh, and  as for the links I said was hard to submit, before you call someone stupid my dear wise one, Did you take the Hyphen out?  It brings you to slate, then hit Politics. The other takes you to other article, but the 16 MASS shootings article is as bright as day.



 


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LonnaNJ,


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Oh, and  as for the links I said was hard to submit, before you call someone stupid my dear wise one, Did you take the Hyphen out?  It brings you to slate, then hit Politics. The other takes you to other article, but the 16 MASS shootings article is as bright as day.



 LonnaNJ, I took the hyphens out and came up with the same, Now I didn't try putting in colons instead of the semi colons on one of them.


 


I am locking this thread for the night and want you all to calm down a bit. I will open it back up tomorrow.


 


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Topic opened back up for your comments, be civil and play nice.


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WOW missed out on all the fun. Good points on all sides but I for one believe that we need to enforce the laws on the books and not have a knee jerk reaction each and everytime a tragic incident happens. Yes people are killed by guns and knives and autos and clubs and feet and hands etc etc. If the bad guys want to get you they will and there is not much you can do but be prepared and out think and out plan them. Only God knows what goes on in the minds of others and what they have planned. Have a plan to save as many innocents as you can and pray you no run out of ammo.  


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 Does anyone with good sense think that this feel good legislation will keep criminals or the mentally ill from getting weapons to carry out their crimes? I don't. Now that the politicians have congratulated each other and have gone back to their protected state of minds, the rest of us have to live in the real world.

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 Oh my dear perverse, adulterous, evil, selfish, useless General Public.... where WERE your parents??? Who here on PL wouldn't agree that somewhere up the line of generations there aren't parents who failed to uphold the corrective structure that their children needed growing up because they were afraid their poor little mistreated children would grow up to hate them because they did their job??? Let me just say that I was blessed with 3, yes 3, whoopins from my Daddy growin up. The other countless hundred I took from my Mother. The corporal punishment did not mold me into the man I am today, but it did help deter my unbecoming intentions as a child. My parents (my Father specifically) never budged on his rules. You followed them or got your arse beat. I learned really early in life that Dad meant business. If we had more parents that were more like parents and not so friendly with their children then we'd be much better off. It also helped that I always knew Christ growing up. I know, I know... WAAYYYY off subject, but a valid point in any case! 

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Bump to Destined4SWAT. I believe dear sir that you hit the nail on the head.


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Well said Destined4SWAT.


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