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Poll: Who do you give the advantage to when hiring an officer?

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 Lots of different agencies and many different interviewers have their preference when it comes to hiring a new officer. Which would you personally give the advantage to, if two applicants were equal on all levels except one had a degree and one was former military?

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I think this was posted a week or so ago if you can locate. Both play a role in the hiring process.

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Yes this subject has come up countless time since I originally joined some four years ago.Why should there be a question between a degree OR military when so many of us have accomplished both?Variety is the spice of life.The more life experiences one has the better rounded one is.

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I think a lot would depend on the applicant themselves.


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As crazy as this may sound I have turned down those with a degree and military experience. I did not get a good read on them. Years ago I hired an applicant who was convicted of possession of marijuana. He was mid 30's and was in possession of a small amount for personal use. He paid a small fine similiar to a traffic citation. He informed me, he could not get a break in obtaining a law enforcement position. I decided to give him an opportunity and he did a good job. He had nothing beyond high school and never served in the military. There was a 15 year gap between his conviction and appointment.

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 i can only speak for the agency i am employed with.  please excuse my lack of caps and puntuation. i am typing this on my phone and they are not working on police link for whatever reason. 2 years military or 60 creditd to get hired by the nypd but your gonna need that college to move up in position.  if thats what you desire.  many oppurtunities to advance eduacation are made available through the department.


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As crazy as this may sound I have turned down those with a degree and military experience. I did not get a good read on them. Years ago I hired an applicant who was convicted of possession of marijuana. He was mid 30's and was in possession of a small amount for personal use. He paid a small fine similiar to a traffic citation. He informed me, he could not get a break in obtaining a law enforcement position. I decided to give him an opportunity and he did a good job. He had nothing beyond high school and never served in the military. There was a 15 year gap between his conviction and appointment.



The oral interview is far more important that either college or military or both.  Blow the oral board and it doesn't matter how much college or military you have. in the senerio described by the OP, the oral board results would probably be the deciding factor in the hiring , not military or college.

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Definately concur with Dennis and Cedardale.You have to pas all your tests,interviews,challenges before the powers to be will add on your extra points for mi9litary and/or school.If,by the same token,if some of the applicants are close in these testing phases,the points awarded for military/school can make all the difference in the world.Most major leo agencies will not only give you extra points for the entrance exam for both military and schoool,but will also give you extra poins for both on promotional  exams.My agency not only provided  extra in ones paycheck for ones credit hours,but paid for much of your education.

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I was axed in a pm for an update on the officer I hired with the weed conviction. When I left the department he had been promoted and served several years. Last I head he fell in love and relocated to the State of Oregon. It is unknown if he continued his career in LE. I also had a good friend who drove the getaway car in an armed robbery and was a convicted felon. I along with several others requested the governor grant a pardon which he did. He was a police officer when he passed 20 years ago. I was so glad that he turned his life around and have good memories of our friendship. Thing happen for a reason. R.I.P. Junior.

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I know you are asking more towards hiring police officers but the question comes to mind . . . . . what are you hiring for?  Being a little obtuse here but follow the reasoning. . . . .if you hiring someone for a doctor's position, do you place a preference of military over the degree?  Take that to a larger department, if you are hiring someone to be put into the training academy for the legal section. . . .OR, are you hiring someone to be your connection to the lawmakers (I worked for the State Police and we had a liaison there), you would probably look for someone with a law degree to teach the laws (since MI had a prerequisite of having a law degree for that position as I am sure most states do) or someone that could assist in "crafting" the laws for the lawmakers.


On the other side of the coin. . . . .if you are hiring someone to be a part of the "tactical" team, do you want a lawyer or a military person that actually spent time working tactics instead of someone that just worked in logistics.  Of course someone that worked logistics in the military could be your department's scrounger, getting the best deals on the equipment that the department needs.


As for your original intent though. . . . .there are a ton of educated idiots out there and there are many "broken" military people that would not make good officers either because of how the combat they saw. . . .or didn't see, affected them.  So, there really is no correct answer to your question.  It would be, as it should be, an individual consideration and yes, because someone was in the military they should be given a "leg up" just as the one that spent time getting their degree should also be given that "leg up" because they chose to better themselves.  Me. . . . .I had neither, but did have life experiences that, for some reason, they must have been interested in because they gave me a chance also.

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I was axed in a pm for an update on the officer I hired with the weed conviction. When I left the department he had been promoted and served several years. Last I head he fell in love and relocated to the State of Oregon. It is unknown if he continued his career in LE. I also had a good friend who drove the getaway car in an armed robbery and was a convicted felon. I along with several others requested the governor grant a pardon which he did. He was a police officer when he passed 20 years ago. I was so glad that he turned his life around and have good memories of our friendship. Thing happen for a reason. R.I.P. Junior.



Its funny but I had a converstation with some higher ranking officers about cops themselves.  We all concurred that there is a very thin line between many cops and criminals with some of the best cops we knew being closest to that line.  I strongly feel that the cops that can think like a criminal are the best at finding them.  Food for thought.


Have ASP will travel.

Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.