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Posted almost 2 years ago

 

Just got a call from one of my Officers on vacation, Cant believe it she was issued a citation speeding. What has happened to a little professional courtesy.

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We are all supposed to be on the same team and in the same family out there.  That being said another LEO would really have to be rude  and outright disrespectful to have me issue them a summons.  Thankfully I have never had that situation occur.


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Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

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While I personally never knowingly wrote another officer (I did come close a few times), that professional courtesy does work both ways.  I actually had a couple of different stops where the driver (an off duty officer) was very arrogant and actually expecting that he was just going to be let go without any comments. . . .and he was wrong.  They were asked to step from the vehicle and advised that they were on the verge of getting that invitation to explain themselves to an unbiased official.  Then they were advised of what had caught my attention and that being an officer they should have known better and that their attitude was not being received well at that moment and would definitely not be received well with the unbiased official.


I have also met officers that didn't care an iota whether or not the person they stopped were officers or not. . . . .everyone got the same treatment.  Is that right?  They don't have to worry about arguments later on over whether or not they show favoritism.  They also didn't write tickets that the person did not deserve either.  When they drove. . . .they drove as they expected others to drive.  Were they perfect?  No, but they drove within the limits that they set for others.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

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As you can see we have had this discussion many times and to say it strains the friendships here would be putting it mildly. Thise four links should give you an idea about how LEO PLers feel.


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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

Yup, discussed many, many, many times. Thanx for the links, DonnaLynn  :)


Bottom line, if you don't want a ticket, don't break the law. And just like Beowulf said, professional courtesy goes both ways.


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NYTRDT1 says ...



We are all supposed to be on the same team and in the same family out there. <snip>


 



Please read over what you wrote here.  Hmmm, family.  Does giving someone a pass make them learn a lesson?  Sometimes treating everyone the same is a good thing whether family or not.  Sometimes people (everyone, blue or not) learn by actually being held accountable and responsible for their actions and some try not to break the traffic law/s, but do..  not paying attention and wind up going faster than the speed limit... or how about the family members that have attitude and think it's their right to be let off, how are they supposed to learn a lesson? 


Bottom line, this is a personal decision that each LEO has to make.  It's their decision and if they can sleep peacefully with their decisions then that is what matters (unless you are psychotic and that's a different topic).



 


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In my 30 year career I received three speeding summons (citation). I was pleasant and made no mention of being a police officer. I was not upset nor considered any revenge to them or members of their agency. I was the one in violation and paid the piper. I generally retained an attorney to save my points. I may add I have never written a brother or sister in blue. Family members of cops were not cut a break since I received no slack.

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DonnaLynn says ...



NYTRDT1 says ...



We are all supposed to be on the same team and in the same family out there. <snip>


 



Please read over what you wrote here.  Hmmm, family.  Does giving someone a pass make them learn a lesson?  Sometimes treating everyone the same is a good thing whether family or not.  Sometimes people (everyone, blue or not) learn by actually being held accountable and responsible for their actions and some try not to break the traffic law/s, but do..  not paying attention and wind up going faster than the speed limit... or how about the family members that have attitude and think it's their right to be let off, how are they supposed to learn a lesson? 


Bottom line, this is a personal decision that each LEO has to make.  It's their decision and if they can sleep peacefully with their decisions then that is what matters (unless you are psychotic and that's a different topic).



 



Yeah, family every single one, every single uniform.


 


I cant remember what year it was that I was last pulled over, but I drive slow to conserve gas.


My drive home is approximately 50 miles, I dont even know how many different law enforcement agencies I pass through.  Drive through 4 counties, Got the state, sheriffs, counties, city, highway guys, local towns, ect. 


Heres the bottom line.  If someone is that much of a &*^$ that they deserve the citation, by all means issue it.  I know cops who have had their credentials thrown back at them and have been cursed at (sometimes by members of their same department) without them uttering a word to the stopping officer. Ive seen cops antagonized by members of other agencies during a traffic stop.


This behavior is even more unacceptable then the "speeding" infraction.  Cop or civilian.


 But just also remember people have bad days, make mistakes, have fights with loved ones.  Every cop is a human with human problems.  I don't mean letting cops off for more than just a traffic infraction.  If its more its more.  If they are in a position where they could hurt themselves or someone else, take them out of that position.  It may hurt them at first but you may just get someone the help they need.


Remember most of all that carstops go bad and that same person you issued a BS summons too might just be the cop who the next night may be in a position to SAVE your life.  Keep this in mind while making your decision.


I always slow down cosiderably when I see a carstop coming up on the road.  Never know when a fellow brother or sister may need a hand.  I see at least one a night.


Have ASP will travel.

Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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IF........ I were to be pulled over for a moving violation, I extend the courtesy to the officer and inform them of my off-duty status, that I have my duty or off-duty weapon on my person and my police ID in my wallet with my driver's license.  I believe this courtesy goes a long way and is appreciated by the officer making the stop.  I know it is appreciated when I make a stop on an off-duty.  Any courtesy extended to me by the officer is their decision to make.  It is NOT and should not be an expectation.  The only expectation should be that I treat the officer with the same respect that I expect from the drivers I stop, including off-duty LE.

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My ID and badge would be in my hands in the 10 and 2 position on the wheel with my engine off and keys on the dashboard.


Have ASP will travel.

Justice is the one thing you should always find, you gotta saddle up your boys you gotta draw a hard line.

When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

And we'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singing whiskey for my men beer for my horses.

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My ID and badge would be in my hands in the 10 and 2 position on the wheel with my engine off and keys on the dashboard.



All fine provided the ID and badge are in a place that would not draw my attention to you, raising my suspicion that you may be attempting to hide something or produce a weapon.  I don't like surprises, nor do I like a lot of movement coming from the occupants inside of a vehicle that I may pull over.  It would be sufficient to have the hands in the 10 and 2 positions and an explanation upon contact when I ask you for your ID and or badge for verification.  This is a much safer practice and approach.  Just sayin'

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I have never given a LEO a ticket or DUI arrest. As some have said, when a LEO is stopped "violation of the yap law / contempt of cop " makes one want to write them because of their attitude. I have stopped some that said I'm a cop when I walked up to the window and start to drive off. If it were their scene they would be pissed.


When I'm stopped I have my ID and hands in plain view and inform the officer that I'm off duty and armed; what do they want me to do. 

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 In days of old when LEO's wanted the job because it was in their blood before it became just a paycheck for people that didn't find other work. Things started to change. I always believed if I were stopped then I was wrong, if they wrote me I wasn't happy but they didn't know that. I was always courteous to them even when they were lecturing me. If you're wrong you're wrong suck it up if you get the cite.


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I have been stopped two or three times, but never go a ticket.  Two times I was on my way to work in uniform, and on one occasion he saw the thin blue line sticker on the back of my vehicle and asked about it.  Guess you could say I was lucky.  I will not ever write another officer or his spouse as long as I know it, for a minor traffic infraction.


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I agree with JIMROC. As long as it is a minor violation, they will get a warning. Heck, most people I pull over for something minor get a warning if everything checks out fine. I have argued with some in the past about DUI's and police officers. I write every single time. There is no excuse to drink and drive.

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I agree with schultzy on the DUI. Don't be a jerk and don't speed = no cite.


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Professional courtesy? What is that?


You mean the perceived obligation that because we are both cops I don't issue cops, cop's spouses, cop's families or equivalent citations?


Is this written down somewhere? A General Order, policy, SOP or something like that? I know the Code of Ethics is written down. And I know about discretion. Those things are written down.


Oh, you mean the assertion that we let cops go and call it 'discretion' or 'a warning' solely because of them being a cop.


Ok, I get it now.


No. Slippery slope and all that.


It's cheap. And the cop on the receiving end is cheap for expecting it or soliciting it. And it is completely moronic for a cop to be stopped by another cop because they are not within legal driving norms. It could also be perceived as lack of respect to the jurisdictional agency.


Folks, this topic will come up again and again. No need to reference the poster to another place on the site where they do not know to go. Just reply, again and again and again. Sorta like real work. You wouldn't tell a person who is inquiring about the location of Walmart to ask the last person you told.


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I have written 1 officer a citation. I reduced the speed on it to 10 over instead of 25. I also wrote another officers wife a citation. I told her to have her husband come talk to me but when he showed up he was being a real JERK and started cussing and yelling. So, I told him to have a nice day and I would see him in court.


Courtesy is NOT an obligation of the officer. Just like anyone else they can take it from a warning to a citation with attitude.


If I get pulled over I would expect to get a ticket. Mainly because we are supposed to know better.  

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As a civilian, I have problems with cops routinely letting other cops off the hook for speeding, etc.simply because they are cops.  On the other hand, I have been let off the hook with a warning - as part of police discretion.  Can I say I deserved leniency more or less than the next civilian? No.  Can I say that leniency combined with the officer's heartfelt warning to drive safely has also had strong impact on my driving habits? Yes, indeed.


So...hard for me to speak to the issue in black and white terms.


As to LEOs extending 'professional courtesy' to spouses, children, etc., I'm afraid my sense of justice feels to be stretched a bit too far.

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This is always been a very hard topic here within the PL group and I am sure among our brothers and sisters in blue even off this site...but I will give you one aspact of this topic that not many here have had...most of you know (and if you don't) I was a Marine from 07-12 as a Military Police Officer..I am sure many know that Marines themselves are held to a very high standered..but as MPs we where held to an even higher standed..the thought process of the Command was that we as MPs are holding our fellow Marines to the standerds of local law, base law, and the UCMJ. So if you where to write someone a ticket for speeding then you yourself where speeding (even on duty unless responding codes to a call) then you would be repremanded, period. There was ZERO tolerance for error. Even with small things such as guard mount (held after briefing) everything was checked from making sure you hand cuffs worked to every seam of your uniform being ironed to a sharp edge to the daily shinning of your badge before duty (keep in mind the badges have been used and abused for years..passed from MP to MP as people come and go from the duty stations so yes they required shinning or they turn brown and green lol)


so anyway..I know I am getting a little off topic here. And most will find this hard to take...and this isn't my personal oppinion but the way I was trained as an MP...if you are holding someone to a standered then you need to hold yourself to a higher standered on and off duty. I know of one time when I was working as a Desk Sgt in Okinawa I dispatched my MPs to a fight at the base club..later on that night our SSgt found out that some of our off duty guys where there and didn't jump in and stop it...they where punished for not acting as an MP even though they where off duty.


Just some food for thought


and yes im sure there are some spelling errors in here...many of you know that I have a problem with that but I have been working on it and am doing much better then before

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Really has nothing to do with a specific agency,but each individual officer.I have been stopped by Harrison ,Arkansas Police,Nebraska state Police,Missouri State Police,Texas State Police,Pennsylvania State Police,Virginia state police,Springfield,Missouri Police and Republic,Missouri Police and Utah state Police.Of these nine incidents I was either retired or a juvenile in five of them.----I received one citation,that being from the Utah state police,when I was an active officer.We were quite cordial with one another.----In my career I stopped seven officers and never issued a citation,although two were super A-holes.

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Lets begin with us. What happened to personal responsibility? Leading by example? Never breaking a law we are sworn to uphold? To honor, duty, commitment?  If I ever violate a criminal or traffic law then I become one of minions with lower standards. The ones who justify every violation. Not me. Do not put me in that position. If you do it is on you.


How low does society lower its standards? Do we have to lower them also? You might say I am a cynical old cop and rightly so. However, I have standards. They do not bend.Just like the truth, they never waiver and stay the same no matter how many times repeated. Its everyones personal choice as to what they will do. All they need is to look at themselves, then their uniform and what it stands for.


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Civilian perspective:


I always respect any person more who puts words into practice.


Here's what popped into my head, especially after reading Al's response ():


Polonius: This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man. Farewell, my blessing season this in thee!


Laertes: Most humbly do I take my leave, my lord.


Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82


 


 




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i have been holding off on commenting here for awhile, thinking maybe just let it go, who needs to hear my two cents anyway, but-16 years nypd i have never given a police officer or any law enforcement officer a ticket, summons or arrest. I had the occasion to, to the best of my memory, stop 2 wives of police officers and both were sent on their merry way after advising them of why i had stopped them and cautioning them. I really dont expect some civilians to understand, in their eyes we should all be treated as equals with police being held to a higher standard. WAIT A MINUTE-ALL TREATED AS EQUAL BUT POLICE OFFICERS HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD? when you do the job, share the risks, take the lousy pay and hours, put your life at risk to get to a location to back up each other, race to the hospital to donate blood after a brother or sister officer has been shot or injured, sat through the many wakes and funerals, and oh by the way, the wives and girlfriends of police officers are there also giving support and aid where they can. We as cops usually find that your friends are cops and their wives and kids become an extention of your FAMILY. WE ARE ALL BLUE! Please dont read into my ramblings as a complaint of the JOB. It is not just a job, it is a lifetime calling, kinda like being a MARINE. there are no former MARINES, just older ones. A real cop, the one that has law enforcement in his or her blood, knows of the comradeship and fraternity of the job. To this day, i also slow down and watch over a law enforcement officer while he is doing a traffic stop and over my life have had the opportunity to aid and assist quite a few during accident and arrest situations.


I will also add that during my life in the nypd i have never issued a ticket to a nyfd firefighter for the following reasons


COMRADESHIP-besides one of my closest friends who was a former navy seal and nyfd firefighter who escorted my mom down the aisle during wedding #1. When i was a rookie walking a foot beat in bed-stuy, my patrol sergeant, after signing my memo book, told me when i needed a break or was gonna take meal hour, to go to the firehouse on my post and the guys would welcome me. and they did, often. and throughout my time on the job, would meet these guys at crashes and fires.


ADMIRATION-heres just one reason. and dont forget i was out way before 9/11, On fulton st. we had a report of a cop shot,  i am second on the scene, i hadnt noticed it a first due to the tramatic injuries to this plainclothes officer, he had been shot in the head and had half his face blown off, but he was assigned to my command and changed in my locker aisle. HERE COMES, BLASTING THRU THE DOOR, AN NYFD FIREMAN, who drops to his knees and and attemts cpr and mouth to mouth on this fatally wounded officer. I will never forget that scene.


GRATITUDE-it was an election nite, i was still a trainee working in the 78 pct, the polls were closed and all the cops assigned to polling places were returning to the station house and a small get together was being held in the upstairs meeting room. A sergeant runs up and yell for all to respond to Flatbush Avenue,where a major fire had just broken out, Commerical stores on 1st floor with 2 stories of apartments above and the fire was spreading the entire block engulfing building after building, we all ran up to the scene and i, along with a sergeants chauffer names Joe were assigned to evacuate a set of apartments, black choking smoke and heat, wall collapses and joe and i are trapped in the 2nd - 3rd floor landing, i am blacking out, (MAN, MY HANDS ARE SHAKING WHILE RELIVING THIS) suddenly the debris goes flying and here is the fireman grabbing me and carrying me down the stairs to safety, both joe and i survived serious injury.


i guess what i am trying to say is that in a foxhole, or on the mean streets, we are all a band of  brothers and though brothers disagree and fight, we are all still FAMILY AND SHOULD  BE TREATED AS SUCH. just my opinion.

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i have been holding off on commenting here for awhile, thinking maybe just let it go, who needs to hear my two cents anyway, but-16 years nypd i have never given a police officer or any law enforcement officer a ticket, summons or arrest. I had the occasion to, to the best of my memory, stop 2 wives of police officers and both were sent on their merry way after advising them of why i had stopped them and cautioning them. I really dont expect some civilians to understand, in their eyes we should all be treated as equals with police being held to a higher standard. WAIT A MINUTE-ALL TREATED AS EQUAL BUT POLICE OFFICERS HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD? when you do the job, share the risks, take the lousy pay and hours, put your life at risk to get to a location to back up each other, race to the hospital to donate blood after a brother or sister officer has been shot or injured, sat through the many wakes and funerals, and oh by the way, the wives and girlfriends of police officers are there also giving support and aid where they can. We as cops usually find that your friends are cops and their wives and kids become an extention of your FAMILY. WE ARE ALL BLUE! Please dont read into my ramblings as a complaint of the JOB. It is not just a job, it is a lifetime calling, kinda like being a MARINE. there are no former MARINES, just older ones. A real cop, the one that has law enforcement in his or her blood, knows of the comradeship and fraternity of the job. To this day, i also slow down and watch over a law enforcement officer while he is doing a traffic stop and over my life have had the opportunity to aid and assist quite a few during accident and arrest situations.


I will also add that during my life in the nypd i have never issued a ticket to a nyfd firefighter for the following reasons


COMRADESHIP-besides one of my closest friends who was a former navy seal and nyfd firefighter who escorted my mom down the aisle during wedding #1. When i was a rookie walking a foot beat in bed-stuy, my patrol sergeant, after signing my memo book, told me when i needed a break or was gonna take meal hour, to go to the firehouse on my post and the guys would welcome me. and they did, often. and throughout my time on the job, would meet these guys at crashes and fires.


ADMIRATION-heres just one reason. and dont forget i was out way before 9/11, On fulton st. we had a report of a cop shot,  i am second on the scene, i hadnt noticed it a first due to the tramatic injuries to this plainclothes officer, he had been shot in the head and had half his face blown off, but he was assigned to my command and changed in my locker aisle. HERE COMES, BLASTING THRU THE DOOR, AN NYFD FIREMAN, who drops to his knees and and attemts cpr and mouth to mouth on this fatally wounded officer. I will never forget that scene.


GRATITUDE-it was an election nite, i was still a trainee working in the 78 pct, the polls were closed and all the cops assigned to polling places were returning to the station house and a small get together was being held in the upstairs meeting room. A sergeant runs up and yell for all to respond to Flatbush Avenue,where a major fire had just broken out, Commerical stores on 1st floor with 2 stories of apartments above and the fire was spreading the entire block engulfing building after building, we all ran up to the scene and i, along with a sergeants chauffer names Joe were assigned to evacuate a set of apartments, black choking smoke and heat, wall collapses and joe and i are trapped in the 2nd - 3rd floor landing, i am blacking out, (MAN, MY HANDS ARE SHAKING WHILE RELIVING THIS) suddenly the debris goes flying and here is the fireman grabbing me and carrying me down the stairs to safety, both joe and i survived serious injury.


i guess what i am trying to say is that in a foxhole, or on the mean streets, we are all a band of  brothers and though brothers disagree and fight, we are all still FAMILY AND SHOULD  BE TREATED AS SUCH. just my opinion.



Exactly  Well said brother.


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When the gun smoke settles we'll sing a victory tune and we'll all meet back at the local saloon.

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Having been in LE almost 30 years and with several different agencies, I no longer believe that there is a LE brotherhood.  some agencies have things approaching a brotherhood, but I see more cliques, disparagement of ther agencies and their personnel, arrogance with other officers, feelings of entitlement and the like.  Despite this and having been with agencies on both sides, though I did not go along with those who looked down on other agenices when i was in one where most LEO's did, as well as working in agencies that were looked down on by other agencies.  I still check every patrol car's occupants that i pass when i am off duty and watch out for other officers.


Some examples of things I have seen.  Officers refusing to back other officers, Officers not answering dispach when called for back up on risky calls, officers sluffing calls on other officers.  Seem the Sgt's chosen ones get the choice assignments or off duty jobs though policy dictated they be rotated, and others too numerout to detail


While common in the NE US, I personally do not like badge flashers on traffic stops, I consider that a attempt at arrogant entitlement. When stopped myself off duty, I keep hands clearly visible and don't move around and tell the officer that I am armed, it's his stop and I do what he tells me to do.  I rarely get stopped as I try to generally obey the traffic laws and never do anything I would stop another driver for doing.

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The brotherhood has turned into watch out for number one in many cases, badge flashers are different then the badge wavers that hang their badges out the window before you even get to the door. I didn't care if the person had their ID in their hand at least I knew right away what I was dealing with and if the infraction was that serious then he/she got a cite or the very least their supervisor was notified. I still never wrote one of the brother/sisters.


I normally wouldn't write anyone unless they were total jerks or I had dealings with them before so I gave the same break to civilians as brothers. I have gotten 2 tickets in my life, one from a Virginia State Trooper and one from a Florida State Trooper. I was wrong in Fla but not in Va. Virginia I was picked out of a group of vehicles traveling the same speed. Florida I was dead wrong.


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While common in the NE US, I personally do not like badge flashers on traffic stops, I consider that a attempt at arrogant entitlement. When stopped myself off duty, I keep hands clearly visible and don't move around and tell the officer that I am armed, it's his stop and I do what he tells me to do.  I rarely get stopped as I try to generally obey the ltyraffic laws and never do anything i wuld stop another driver for doing.



As I have already stated earlier........ I don't like seeing the occupants of a vehicle, including the driver, fidget and reach for things as I approach the vehicle on a traffic stop.  This includes off-duty officers reaching for their badge and ID.  NO, I don't know who you are as I make the stop.  But I will upon making contact with you.  Until then, you are like every other MOPE we contact that is reaching for something and or attempting to hide something.  At the very least, it is an officer safety issue.


There is no need to badge flash (or wave).  There is no reason to be an Adam Henry either.  Remember, I don't know who or what you are or exactly what that shiny object is until I am able to ask about it anyways.  As far as I know, that badge could be either a fake or stolen until I can verify its authenticity.  Simply let me make my stop and approach, ask and advise you of the reason for the stop and ask you for your ID.  At that time you can advise me of your LE status, that you are armed (with your firearm where-ever it is on your person or in the vehicle) and that your ID and flat-badge are in your wallet in your left or right rear pocket (or where-ever it is carried).  If I am making the stop, it is my traffic stop...... not yours as the off-duty LE.  If and when (and it has also not been very often) I get stopped, it is NOT my traffic stop and I treat the officer the same way I expect to be treated as if it were mine.  This is the ONLY Professional Courtesy that should be expected from either side of the fence.

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I remember when I went to my first post and had finally gotten off of the FTO program.  I made a stop on a person and they had a badge that said, "SPECIAL DEPUTY" sitting in a badge holder in his lap.  I had been told that the sheriff of the next county had doled out a number of "SPECIAL DEPUTY" badges to his bigger contributors and so I began to ask questions of this individual.  You know the type, "What is a Special Deputy?", "Just exactly what is it you do?" and the like.  When asked what is it he did, he advised that he handled special assignments but was talking in circles.  After a couple of more questions, he finally told me that he was a banker.  Yep, he got an invitation to explain it to the judge.  I was advised that I probably should have taken the badge and returned it the sheriff, but being fairly new at that time, I had chosen not to break any further eggs and let him go.  I was never called into court on that one.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

John Bernard Books, from "The Shootist"

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I have only written one officer a citation and one family member of an officer a citation. The officer was DUI with a BAC of over .200. The family member was driving suspended, but he couldn't get a ride until the next day. I got him a hotel with our charity funds, because he couldn't afford a room. Ten minutes later, he was out driving again. I have no problem giving an officer a break for something minor, but a line has to be drawn somewhere.

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