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I think it is a good idea for North Dakota. It is hard for city and county governments to keep up with the growing population of oil and gas related employees and their families. The law says only oil and gas companies can hire police officers. They should be footing the bill for policing since they are responsible for much of the growing population. Since the officers have to be approved by the sheriff, I think there will still be quality officers policing these facilities.

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Not sure about North Dakota, but Ohio already has Private Police. Our Local Mall has armed Security that has power of arrest. One of our Hospitals has a "Campus Police", while the other hospital has off duty LEO's working Security.


I don't have a problem with it at all.


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From what I read, I'm not sure that there is a whole lot of difference between what a "company police officer" can do that an armed security guard. . . .or unarmed security guard, has the ability to do except for the prosecution (or submitting to the prosecutor) a warrant request.  I did not read anything there about the powers of arrest.  It did say that they had the power to remove, but a security guard has that option if they choose to "apply" that law for themselves.  As for investigations. . . .many companies have a loss prevention division that "investigates" violations of company policy AND law while people are on their property.


The only issues I can see is the liability.  WHO is going to provide the legal updates?  WHO is going to provide the legalities of the force continuum?  WHO is going to provide the necessary marksmanship training with the laws of who pays if the decision is poor?  Speaking of paying, WHO is going to pay the insurance. . . .or the lawsuit if something goes sideways with their "officer"?

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As long as the personnel are licensed as a police officer I guess it is fine. Please keep it there as I have mixed feelings about this concept in my state.

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Not sure about North Dakota, but Ohio already has Private Police. Our Local Mall has armed Security that has power of arrest. One of our Hospitals has a "Campus Police", while the other hospital has off duty LEO's working Security.


I don't have a problem with it at all.



Curious if the hospital that has a "Campus Police" is a State University as opposed to the other which is likely a private hospital non-state university.  A local example here is UCLA (University of California in Los Angeles) a State University with its own Police Department as well as all other Cal State or UC universities as opposed to USC Medical Center (belonging to the University of Southern California) which has a non-sworn department of public safety and Loma Linda University Medical Center (a private, church operated university and hospital in San Bernardino County, California) which employs a security department made up of retired LE and academy grads who have yet to be hired.  To my knowledge, anything given a "STATE" or "Community" designation, IE State University or Community College can have it's own POST certified police department.  All others are designated either a Department of Public Safety or Security Department.

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As long as they are propery certified and trained, I have no problem with it.


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As long as they are propery certified and trained, I have no problem with it.



Most "Private" police are certified and trained in some sort of law enforcement  academy designed by the State, correct?  


 


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This is actually a very interesting question..as many of you long time PL members know I live in Eugene, Oregon..home of the Oregon ducks..aka U of nike...for many years this has been patroled by EPD but within the last couple years they have changed that to Campus Police who gain more and more power over the UofO and there studients which does help EPD by freeing up officers who normally would be tied up with the studients esp on party nights..the EPD still patrols the campus. That being said the campus police have a very LARGE budget and are also turning to be verifiet LEOs in the comming years. So from what I have seen in this one situation I do see many pluses to privitized policing.

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This is actually a very interesting question..as many of you long time PL members know I live in Eugene, Oregon..home of the Oregon ducks..aka U of nike...for many years this has been patroled by EPD but within the last couple years they have changed that to Campus Police who gain more and more power over the UofO and there studients which does help EPD by freeing up officers who normally would be tied up with the studients esp on party nights..the EPD still patrols the campus. That being said the campus police have a very LARGE budget and are also turning to be verifiet LEOs in the comming years. So from what I have seen in this one situation I do see many pluses to privitized policing.



Is The University Of Oregon a State School like Oregon State University is (a California equivalent would be Cal State and UCLA)?  In California, the UC system (UCLA, UC Riverside, UC Irvine for example) and the Cal State system (Cal State Berkeley, Cal State Long Beach for example) are all State Universities.  All have their own Police Departments and are POST certified police officers and NOT privatised.  K-12 School Districts may also have their own police departments.  California has several, Los Angeles USD, San Bernardino City USD, Santa Ana USD for example...... POST certified and not privatised. 

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This is actually a very interesting question..as many of you long time PL members know I live in Eugene, Oregon..home of the Oregon ducks..aka U of nike...for many years this has been patroled by EPD but within the last couple years they have changed that to Campus Police who gain more and more power over the UofO and there studients which does help EPD by freeing up officers who normally would be tied up with the studients esp on party nights..the EPD still patrols the campus. That being said the campus police have a very LARGE budget and are also turning to be verifiet LEOs in the comming years. So from what I have seen in this one situation I do see many pluses to privitized policing.



Oklahoma has Campus Police at several schools. OU & OSU are the main 2 and as state schools these officers are certified police officers, academy graduates, and have full police powers. Its just that their jurisdiction is on the campuses...like a municipal office has in his city. The main difference is since these schools have different campuses in diffenert ares they are cosidered State police officers; but not to be confused with the State Patrol or Investigations, etc. Example, OU has its main campus in Norman, but the University Health Science Center is in Oklahoma City. So while there are officers that just work Norman they still have jurisdiction at the HSC in OKC....just no in between the two.


I don't really see those guys as "Private Police", just officers from another jurisdiction. U of O may be moving this way.


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Oklahoma has Campus Police at several schools. OU & OSU are the main 2 and as state schools these officers are certified police officers, academy graduates, and have full police powers. Its just that their jurisdiction is on the campuses...like a municipal office has in his city. The main difference is since these schools have different campuses in diffenert ares they are cosidered State police officers; but not to be confused with the State Patrol or Investigations, etc. Example, OU has its main campus in Norman, but the University Health Science Center is in Oklahoma City. So while there are officers that just work Norman they still have jurisdiction at the HSC in OKC....just no in between the two.


I don't really see those guys as "Private Police", just officers from another jurisdiction. U of O may be moving this way.



That's because that's all it is...... State Police Officers, not to be confused with State Troopers / State Highway Patrol, full police powers with the university and the surrounding areas as its jurisdiction....... Not privatised police.

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UofO has not yet changed there campus police training to POST so they are not yet concidered LEOs....they are looking to go that way in the years to come. But as of right now they would still be looked at in some ways as a privitized police pratice..as others have said there jurisdiction is restricted to campus..and any close by housing with studients...as for the high schools as another member brought up...here in eugene each high school has a SOR who is an officer at EPD..they usually stay at the high school but are also incharge of the middle and elemtery schools in there area.

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UofO has not yet changed there campus police training to POST so they are not yet concidered LEOs....they are looking to go that way in the years to come. But as of right now they would still be looked at in some ways as a privitized police pratice..as others have said there jurisdiction is restricted to campus..and any close by housing with studients...as for the high schools as another member brought up...here in eugene each high school has a SOR who is an officer at EPD..they usually stay at the high school but are also incharge of the middle and elemtery schools in there area.



So more of a department of public safety with the intentions to go POST Certified?

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ya..with a very large budget from phil knight...its sad how many toys they have

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ya..with a very large budget from phil knight...its sad how many toys they have



Well....... If you're going to do it right, then you might as well build it right from the start.

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hahahah true that

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From what I read, I'm not sure that there is a whole lot of difference between what a "company police officer" can do that an armed security guard. . . .or unarmed security guard, has the ability to do except for the prosecution (or submitting to the prosecutor) a warrant request.  I did not read anything there about the powers of arrest.  It did say that they had the power to remove, but a security guard has that option if they choose to "apply" that law for themselves.  As for investigations. . . .many companies have a loss prevention division that "investigates" violations of company policy AND law while people are on their property.


The only issues I can see is the liability.  WHO is going to provide the legal updates?  WHO is going to provide the legalities of the force continuum?  WHO is going to provide the necessary marksmanship training with the laws of who pays if the decision is poor?  Speaking of paying, WHO is going to pay the insurance. . . .or the lawsuit if something goes sideways with their "officer"?


 


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All good points.


For all, check out the text of the quoted reference. It appears the vicarious liability issues would be somewhat evenly spread out between the state (licenses, or certification docs, or POST approval, or equivalent), the local sheriff (the agency that stands beside their approval and endorsement) and the business / company itself.


If I were to seek this type of employment, I would retain a legal defense attorney. I would have my attorney weigh and measure all my coverages, against any personal liability I would be incurring. (How well am I protected and covered?) Traditional sworn law enforcement personnel already know while in the commission of their duties, they are generally covered by their jurisdictional agency.


Folks, if we look to the future, we will be looking at changes. Call it the Sandy Wood Decision. That incident will ripple through America like the Rodney King incident, like 9/11, and like so many hallmark events that remarkably changed the law enforcement landscape, nearly overnight.


Traditional law enforcement will again morph.


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Oklahoma has Campus Police at several schools. OU & OSU are the main 2 and as state schools these officers are certified police officers, academy graduates, and have full police powers. Its just that their jurisdiction is on the campuses...like a municipal office has in his city. The main difference is since these schools have different campuses in diffenert ares they are cosidered State police officers; but not to be confused with the State Patrol or Investigations, etc. Example, OU has its main campus in Norman, but the University Health Science Center is in Oklahoma City. So while there are officers that just work Norman they still have jurisdiction at the HSC in OKC....just no in between the two.


I don't really see those guys as "Private Police", just officers from another jurisdiction. U of O may be moving this way.



That's because that's all it is...... State Police Officers, not to be confused with State Troopers / State Highway Patrol, full police powers with the university and the surrounding areas as its jurisdiction....... Not privatised police.



Thats what I said, officers from another jurisdiction, not private police. I was pointing out that, this may be what U of O is doing in a slow transission; moving to campus police and not a private police force.


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Pennsylvania actually has a statute governing Private Police.

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 the more good guys we have out there protecting and serving, the better off everyone is.  


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Thank you all for your responses!  Very interesting.  I have heard that this bill was not approved but it will be interesting to see upcoming changes in response to the many challenges people are facing here in the north.


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You bumped this back after 24 days. This thread is trying to die.

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Sorry uncledennis, but I just now had time to look at all of the responses.   RIP, dead thread.  RIP.  ;)


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Actually I was teasing you. I forget the lol.

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LOL!

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Nothing ever dies as long as it is well remembered. . . . . . .now what were we talking about????

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Um...was it about privatized umbrellas?  Or... toast???



 

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Um...was it about privatized umbrellas?  Or... toast???



 



The thread may be toast .......

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So we were talking about both. . . . . .privatized umbrellas being toast?

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