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12/30/12


I was having conversation the other day with a psychologist that was focused on the shootings in Newtown, CT. She is an admitted Liberal and believes in strict gun control and other "Liberal" points of view. I (believe it or not) am more of a Moderate but disagree with her stance on this particular issue. 


During the discussion I asked her to think back on when we began to see these horrific events happening on, what seems to be, a regular basis. We both agreed that this has been going on since the late '70s / early '80s. It was then that I pointed out to her that this was about the same time that many mental institutions were being forced to close due to a variety of reasons, including inhumane conditions for patients and a new viewpoint was introduced that mental illness can be successfully treated on an outpatient basis. I also pointed out that the homeless population exploded at about the same time. She thought on this for a minute and then said that I had a very interesting point that should be researched.


Now, before I get attacked for this, I want to unequivocally state that I am NOT condoning a return to the horrible conditions and treatments that were part of the mental health treatment of that time. 


I think the current debate should be more focussed on the treatment of mentally ill people rather than on the availability and access to firearms and the Second Amendment.


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 I do want to say that I myself have had one heck of a time getting my health insurance to cover much related to my daughters depression. They use any excuse to deny any inpatient services. If anything is going to change insurance companies need to acknowledge that mental illness needs to be treated properly.


It may be a little off your topic Nick. I feel the truth needs to be told. Mental illness is a real disease. Insurance companies need to pull their heads out of the sand. Real help is needed for people with mental illness. Most people can't afford uncovered medical services.


You are definitely correct in assuming that violence has increased due to mentally ill people being forced into the streets. I don't think the deplorable conditions were the way to live either. There has got to be a happy medium. I don't have all the answers but I wish there were better services for my daughter.


Thank you for posting this topic.

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 12-30-12


I agree with both of you.   About 10 years ago down the street from me a man killed his brother with a bow and arrow  just a few days before his wedding.    The parents were scared of him but were unable to get him committed.  Some people with mental illinesses are dangerous and should not be out in public.   It is hard enough for some of us to deal with everyday things.   How can we expect someone who is mental not all there to deal with these things.    


  Kristine unless you have been there it is hard for people to understand depression.   It is real and hurts everyone envolved.   


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When you see cutbacks being done, it is often off the backs of the voiceless. By that I mean the profoundly needy - poor elderly, infirm and children.  Folks want to say institutions were closed because community programs 'work better.'  That's how the idea was sold anyway.  Ship 'em off and med 'em up.  Then those programs got cut.  It was just easier to do it that way, wasn't it?


People look the other way when they see these tragic figures roaming our freezing streets, filthy and humped over in pain.  Of course, you don't see the elderly out in our communities in their true numbers.  Many of them are despairing behind closed doors.  Eating catfood or something.  As for the legions of Adam Lanza's knocking around the house, zoned out in cyberspace...I shudder to think.


Folks lost their homes, their jobs, their way of life.  Talking of depression and anxiety, has anyone done stats linking heart attacks, strokes and diabetes to the mortgage crisis?  Joe and Jennie Average are walking wounded at their 9-5.  Look at the media fare.  If it isn't a shrill Snarkfest, its more CSI corpsework. Meanwhile the kids are brainsplashing the universe in video games. 


Well, that's the Prozac Nation for you...Or is it?


Know what?  I was in Smart and Final today.  Folks were smiling at each other, filling up their carts with all kinds of party food.  It was like the old days before the Long War.  Everybody was upbeat.  There was joy in the air.  Know why?  In the back of their minds, they were wondering if we'd make it.  They realized we can.  They are slapping down the dough.  The leftover dough they saved from Christmas.


Maybe Prozac Nation is waking up to a new day.


I'm glad we're talking about these things again, BigNTS.  We have got to get our unified selves together in brotherhood.  It's the only way.


 


 


 

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nick, i think you had some valid points in your remarks and the additional comments by our members also, and i will add that the insurance companies are the vilest most contemptable criminal organizations we have created. I have a friend recently, he pays about 600. per month for insurance for himself, he goes to doctors and hospital for heart checkup problems, over ten thousand dollars in bills, insurance only covered 3 hundred and change, for one doctor visit with tests the bill was 6 hundred plus dollars and the insurance co paid him 16 dollars. And shall we look at the poor people who, after hurricaine sandy, were told their insurance did not cover the loss of their homes because of one  technicality or another, i have read some of the stories and they are outright criminal.

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Maybe since they are a danger to themselves and others we should commit the insurance companies to mental health institutions for a ninety-day observation.

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Maybe since they are a danger to themselves and others we should commit the insurance companies to mental health institutions for a ninety-day observation.



And there it is...I whole-heartedly agree with you, Marly!


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In Colorado any police officer or doctor has the authority by statute to committ any person who is a danger to themselves or others.  The have to be held in a mental health facility on a 72 hour hold for evaluation.  Problem is after the 72 hour hold is up it is the descretion of the mantal health facility to either hold or release.  I cannot tell you the number of times I have committed someone, and went back to thier residence four days later and found that they had committed suicide.  Very depressing.  The mental health community must do a better job at evaluating these people.  They are screaming for help and not getting it.


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I think that all we need to do is Pray oh wait that is not allowed anymore maybe we need to spank the bad kids oh wait that is not allowed anymore maybe we n eed to put crazy people somewere that they have a structed life  oh wait were not allowed to do that anymore maybe we should oh never mind they will say we cant do that either

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All you have to do is look at the PL news and realize that, in addition to being shot, there are numerous victims who are stabbed, bitten, pushed onto subway tracks, set on fire, etc.  Absolute and perfect gun control would have no effect on these, no sulotion as long as you focus on tools not tool weilders.

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 Bump, Cedardale.

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Bump ALL! Nick, great forum topic!


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Bump ALL! Nick, great forum topic!



Thanks, Steve. It grew legs better than I thought it would.


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There are many elements that make up the "why's" as to the seeming increase in Sandy Hook-type incidences. Mental illness plays into the entire picture. As well as substandard insurance benefits, the removal of controls at schools, increasing apathy, people looking out only for themselves, and general angst in America. I am sorry to say, our current Washington agenda is not working.


Check this out for an interesting statistic. There are 5 billion cellphones in the world. There are 6.9 billion people on earth. Like TV's, everyone has one. But when will people 'buy' the idea of public safety other than for themselves?


TV, the internet and violent video games til the soil. Lack of parental oversight at home fertilize fantasies. Opportunity then provides the act.


Whether it is a school (even an Amish school in 2006), a theatre, or mall, a church, a post office, a military base or any other place, violence can happen. And it has happened.


School shootings have been going on since the 1800's. But the ability to make it a global event is recent. For someone who wants to go out in a ball of fire, media has made this all too easy.


Gun control? There are guns out there older than the people using them. Are there hundreds of millions of guns out there? How is this: School adminstrations expelled 3,500 kids for bringing a firearm to school (1998-1999).


It's a big topic, Nick. Your point is valid.


 


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 How is this: School adminstrations expelled 3,500 kids for bringing a firearm to school (1998-1999).



That is a scary stat, Sarge. 


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Affirm. But we don't hear about that kind of stuff. We just get feed what will bring in the advertising dollars and the viewership.


Hey, does any know of an excellent and totally reliable news site (internet) or newspaper in the U.S.? I had heard many years ago that the Christian Science Monitor was reliable but I never followed up on it.


I have an app called Zite. It seems ok. I keep tabs on Fox News but I take it was a small grain.


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Sarge where did you get that expulsion stat?  Also, I heard another downplayed stat is the middle-school and high-school suicide rate.You might be surprised what you find out about your local schools stats on self-murder.  If you can.


Hazing. Used to be kids hazed each other in person. Maybe they passed notes.  Now kids have added cel phones and social websites to their torture arsenal. 


Glory-Seeking. A normal behavior, all screwed up. A healthy outlook among adolescent boys used to mean knowing you could defend yourself with your fists.  A lot got settled that way. Often the combatants became friends.  In any case, a fist-fight was a rite of passage. Nowadays most boys couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.  So they stew.  Now glory means how many video surrogates you can brainsplash, including sexy female enemies. Boys lean on the controls like Pavlov dogs until they are mentally and emotionally spent. Competency in outdoorsman skills, a natural outlet, has also nearly vanished as a rite of passage. In single parent households, many boys are trying to become men in a total vacuum. They are trying to figure it out on their laptops.


And...Yes, sob, the Christian Science Monitor is but a shadow of its former online self.  I used to read it all the time.