Well,

Whenever, this happens at a school, college, church or wherever, the same knee jerk happens, everytime this issue comes up. I can almost agree small rural have a great need to request teachers being armed.  Hopefully, if these same communities with deep pockets if there is such a thing. arm your teachers and enjoy the peace and false sense of security you may get. Until something you asked for blows.  Apparently, there is merit to both sides.  

However, if arming laymen/women was a contender/option it would have been done a few shootings back! Also,

I speak from what you call arrogance it better known as experience and 15 years of working in a school district and not 16 years patrolling highway 67.  i can tell you how many big rigs i have stopped and issued a citation to (3). Please expound on the numerous times you or anyone other than Ron (Skoolcop) has had to respond to an active shooter or person with a weapon of any type on school grounds.   I would not go to a butcher to remove my appendix, I would go to a doctor/surgeon who specializes in the area! 

There are a lot of could have should have scenarios.  However, there has been no discussion about how many times and lives have been saved and tragedy avoided because of a police officer on campus. Yeap, just like the Israelis we lose a few, no system is flawless!  Having said that to say this abdicating LE's responsibility to anyone other LE, is at a minimum reckless.

Money is always the issue, communities find money for their priorities!  Make our schools safety a priority.

Maybe we should have had a poll here..

1) Are you for all teachers having weapons in schools?

2) Are you for only high level Adminstrators and the Principle having a weapon?

3) Are you for only some teachers having weapons?

or

4) Are you not for ANY teacher/principle/admin having a weapon?

These are just sample questions maybe..

It would have been interesting to see the results....

Mongo1 says ...

 

There is the Universe between Should and Could.  If we really want to do something let's keep it at Could Carry.  That limits the field to those that have the moral courage to use violence for good (defending the children).  Most people do not have that and to require someone like that to be armed is  a tactical error, giving deadly force to bad actors.  Most people are Heroic and do force the hand of evil without hesitation or thought of self.  Sandy Hook was full of Hero's, just no guns.

Best response so far.

Comic relief:

Catwoman911 says ...

SlowMotion says ...

 Maybe worded differently...

1 Anyone that can must carry.

2 Only administrators required to carry.

3 Voluntary carry by chl holders

4 Administrators with chl

5 Police only.

6 Police and chl.

7 Stick to gun free zones and lock the doors.

8 Its time to call the most interesting cop in the world for ideas.

I'll agree with these too...

I disagree with you on almost every level.  Having been in Law Enforcement for over thirty years means that Police Only Means absolutely nothing in real terms.  That is all Political Bull to dress something up, usually a bad Idea.  As far as locking up the schools and a "Gun Free Zone" well,  we have all or that , and it did nothing to Deter Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech or Colombine.  Get a grip, we are trying to be serious here, only the Democrates think we cannot do the math or understand what they mean.  Their Ideas have all been implemented and failed, that's historical Fact.

Catwoman911 says ...

Mongo1 says ...

Catwoman911 says ...

SlowMotion says ...

 Maybe worded differently...

1 Anyone that can must carry.

2 Only administrators required to carry.

3 Voluntary carry by chl holders

4 Administrators with chl

5 Police only.

6 Police and chl.

7 Stick to gun free zones and lock the doors.

8 Its time to call the most interesting cop in the world for ideas.

I'll agree with these too...

I disagree with you on almost every level.  Having been in Law Enforcement for over thirty years means that Police Only Means absolutely nothing in real terms.  That is all Political Bull to dress something up, usually a bad Idea.  As far as locking up the schools and a "Gun Free Zone" well,  we have all or that , and it did nothing to Deter Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech or Colombine.  Get a grip, we are trying to be serious here, only the Democrates think we cannot do the math or understand what they mean.  Their Ideas have all been implemented and failed, that's historical Fact.

So.. you say you are disagreeing with having poll in this thread?  You are free to disagree with me "on almost every level", as I am not offended... but having a poll??  And you are telling ME to "get a grip"?  Ditto!

You have listed every failed policy to date, you want to poll that, common.  Being constructive is to move beyond that and have creative thought and vigorous debate, not a poll.  Poll's are typically unscientific and easily manipulated by the designer of the poll.  I wouldn't put one vote out there only to have it appear elsewhere as my abject  approval.  No I don't like polls or polster's they have little to do with operational planning, that's what I am all about.  I am not here to offend, just clarify.  Merry Christmas

mz66 says ...

Mongo1 says ...

Poll's are typically unscientific and easily manipulated by the designer of the poll.  I wouldn't put one vote out there only to have it appear elsewhere as my abject  approval.  No I don't like polls or polster's they have little to do with operational planning, that's what I am all about.  I am not here to offend, just clarify.  Merry Christmas

Another spot on response. Real solutions to serious problems shouldn't be focus-group tested. Thank you for underscoring what should be plain, but it isn't for many people.

Michelle and Mongro, If it's a poll you want than get er done! Your CHOICE is just that YOURS!  Other's opposed to them then don't participate!

I do agree that on this site it will be skewed based on the demographics!

Matt, please provide your thoughts on real solutions!

mz66 says ...

I don't have any Steven, otherwise I would've shared. However, polling on it I'm certain is the wrong approach!

Fair enough, on not having any ideas on the issue. 

mz66 says ...

snhadley says ...

mz66 says ...

I don't have any Steven, otherwise I would've shared. However, polling on it I'm certain is the wrong approach!

Fair enough, on not having any ideas on the issue. 

I didn't say I didn't have ideas, but I'm not naive enough to think that I've thought them completely through.

mz66 says ...

I don't have any Steven, otherwise I would've shared.

I guess, I misunderstood what you said you did not say, it happens! 

Mongo1 says ...

Catwoman911 says ...

Mongo1 says ...

Catwoman911 says ...

SlowMotion says ...

 Maybe worded differently...

1 Anyone that can must carry.

2 Only administrators required to carry.

3 Voluntary carry by chl holders

4 Administrators with chl

5 Police only.

6 Police and chl.

7 Stick to gun free zones and lock the doors.

8 Its time to call the most interesting cop in the world for ideas.

I'll agree with these too...

I disagree with you on almost every level.  Having been in Law Enforcement for over thirty years means that Police Only Means absolutely nothing in real terms.  That is all Political Bull to dress something up, usually a bad Idea.  As far as locking up the schools and a "Gun Free Zone" well,  we have all or that , and it did nothing to Deter Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech or Colombine.  Get a grip, we are trying to be serious here, only the Democrates think we cannot do the math or understand what they mean.  Their Ideas have all been implemented and failed, that's historical Fact.

So.. you say you are disagreeing with having poll in this thread?  You are free to disagree with me "on almost every level", as I am not offended... but having a poll??  And you are telling ME to "get a grip"?  Ditto!

You have listed every failed policy to date, you want to poll that, common.  Being constructive is to move beyond that and have creative thought and vigorous debate, not a poll.  Poll's are typically unscientific and easily manipulated by the designer of the poll.  I wouldn't put one vote out there only to have it appear elsewhere as my abject  approval.  No I don't like polls or polster's they have little to do with operational planning, that's what I am all about.  I am not here to offend, just clarify.  Merry Christmas

The questions for polling were merely examples of questions that COULD be asked if polled.. it is not the "end all, be all" to this conversation. 

And I would like to clarify one thing: I don't think we are doing any "operational planning" here on PoliceLink... Are we being constructive?  Yes, I think we are.. opinions of others and how they feel is VERY constructive.  One reason I love this Site.. I have learned from many after 3 1/2 years. 

Merry Christmas to you too.

I didn't give anything. Here's an idea I'm willing to share: stop assuming you're seeing personal attacks everywhere.

Point to where I wasn't polite and professional and deserved the sarcasm I got in return. 

 Nope nothing scientific about it. This entire the thread is entirely opinion with lots of ideas mixed with even more emotions. But if I'm not mistaken we're all just throwing out what we think is best. There can be no one plan that works across the board. And even if we did all manage to agree on something there is next to no chance of implementation. And as for the choices put down they are just a summary of what was already said in a nutshell. I tried to cover all the bases but its moot in the end. Merry christmas all.

I simply agreed with Mongo's opinion on the lack of utility of polls. I also stated a fact: most people do not understand that polls have limited utility in solving problems. You took this as an assault, either on yourself or others--not my problem. All your responses to me contain an overarching suggestion of disrespect. It isn't the first thread either, but I got tired of ignoring it.

FIN

I've seen a lot of good opinions and ideas In this thread, I hope we can get back on topic. 

Can we try to  help each other find a plan of action that will stop a repeat of tragic events such as these?

That is all.

MarlyB says ...

While I totally distrust poll results anywhere, I do welcome a forum back-and-forth on this hot topic.  Many non-participants may factor in ideas expressed here into their own unvoiced ones.  Besides that, where but cyberspace can one announce  "I agree with Mongo's opinion"?  lol

So..praise the Lord and pass the...EGGNOG!

LOL.. Bump Marly!!

I just want to clear the air. People should be allowed to state their opinions respectfully without getting a load of horse nuggets in return. If I sound angry, it's because I find this kind of behavior particular distasteful when it is someone on my very limited friends list. I call those people out--out of respect, because I expect and deserve better.