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Should teachers and administrators be allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus?

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Should teachers and administrators be allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus?


Texas Gov. Rick Perry recently addressed a Tea Party forum and indicated the he supported allowing teaches, and administrators to carry concealed handguns on campus in response to the Sandy Hook incident. He further stated that the local districts should be allowed to set policies regarding concealed carry.


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I disagree. Armed police or qualified security personnel only.

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No, I think teachers should continue to throw their soft bodies in front of gun-fire to not protect the lives of their children.  And yeah, teachers should continue to show up at their job sites knowing in the back of their minds it could be their last day on earth.  After all, police and firefighters risk their lives every day to 'serve and protect', right?


As it stands, getting a single SRO over to where he or she could intercede is, like what...10 min?  I mean, that is...if the SRO don't have to drive over from District HQ.  To meet the SWAT team answering the call, setting up their command post, etc.


From a liability standpoint, nobody wants to touch it.  That's really what it's about.  As state-appointed 'parents in absence of the parents', teachers are filling the most conservative role parents can take.  Of course, we all know no parent would defend their child against a gunman by returning fire.  Right?

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in response to arming teachers, absolutely not, keep the deadly force enforcement in the hands of trained law enforcement officers, however, and this is just a joke, If we had nuns teaching school like in the old days, they could smack the silliness out of ya with a pointer and nail ya in the head with a piece of chalk at 10 yards, take out two kids at once with a ricochet eraser.

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With all due respect to those that have posted, I am 1000% FOR allowing teachers to be armed IF they choose to arm themselves AND only under guidelines set in place by the school board.  Yes, the guidelines. . . .or Standard Operating Procedures, would be worked out with the local police/sheriff's department(s) and approved of by the local prosecuting attorney or State's Attorneys General if the local prosecuting attorney does not wish to work with them.  Harold Independent School District in Texas just began allowing their teachers to carry IF they so desire. . . .not mandatory.  Why?  Because they are located in such a place that the nearest police department is a 30 minute drive away.  How many kids can be killed in 30 minutes????


Why?  From the time an incident is started until the police can be called, arrive, formulate a response and begin deploying. . . . .what, 10, 15 maybe 20 minutes?  All depending upon how coordinated the calls, radio calls, if officers are even available (not on some other high priority call) and then how far away the officers were.  Once there, do they go in alone or wait until another officer arrives?  How has the response to this been taught?  How much information do the officers have upon arrival?  The questions go on and on. . . . .  Also, with all of the cutbacks. . .but more students, most schools do not have the money to pay for a police officer or even a security guard to stand post at the school during the course of the day.


No, teachers, like a security guard at their protected property, know who belongs and who does not.  Can more quickly determine who is a threat and who is not than the officer who is not there everyday.  AND, they are ALREADY THERE!  If nothing more than to lock down their classroom and shoot whomever comes through the classroom door without giving the super secret squirrel knock (being a little mellow dramatic here).


Not to push anyone buttons here, but I think it is a little on the arrogant side to believe that police officers are the only ones that can handle a situation like what happened in Connecticut or Colorado or. . .where ever else these issues have turned up.  Let us at least admit that while police officers can do a lot to help people. . . . .calling 911 is USUALLY nothing more than calling the clean up crew.  In the area I worked, by the time we arrived on scene, in MOST of the situations that occurred the deed had been done, the perpetrator had already left OR the scene had settled into a stalemate or barricaded gunman situation which is completely different than these school shootings and we all know why there.  The school shooter is looking for some type of glory (usually) that they could not get in life and the barricaded gunman has an agenda where they USUALLY do not want to kill anyone, they just want something in their life to change . . . . some how or some way.


No, I will support the arming of the teachers (that have been properly vetted), that choose to take up arms to save our children.  Response time is sooo much quicker than any police officer could EVER begin to be.

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The question really is:


"Should intelligent law abiding citizens be allowed to do something that any other law abiding citizen of this country is capable of doing?"


Any person meeting the qualifications for carrying a concealed weapon in their individual jurisdiction should do so. I have no problem with the idea.

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Right on, Mikiesplace!  No armed intruder would dare confront the nuns in Catholic school! 


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in response to arming teachers, absolutely not, keep the deadly force enforcement in the hands of trained law enforcement officers, however, and this is just a joke, If we had nuns teaching school like in the old days, they could smack the silliness out of ya with a pointer and nail ya in the head with a piece of chalk at 10 yards, take out two kids at once with a ricochet eraser.


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Annnd...yeah I detect a patronizing attitude too, but logistically, I do see the hazard.  I don't know about concealed handguns.  I do think teachers should be able to arm themselves.  Put all the babies in the hutch, lock it, then stand guard with a shotgun.  Or square the bairns away under the tables and desks then do same.  You could sum it up, "Not on MY watch."


'Course when SWAT gets there a whole lot of issues... teachers might decide to cowboy it up before the cops get there...friendly fire, etc.    I'm not kidding.  We've already seen an unarmed principal will charge an armed-to-the-teeth assailant coming in the door.  If Principal Hochsprung had had a shotgun at hand...

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NO WAY!!!!!!!! I wouldn't trust  a single teacher or administrator with a firearm.  I take too many theft reports from teachers and administrators already because of their carelessness.  They leave their own property as well as district property laying around and wonder why it grows feet and walks away.  Add a firearm into the equation and you have the recipe for disaster....... and armed juvenile or unauthorized adult on campus.  NO WAY!!!!!!!!

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NO WAY!!!!!!!! I wouldn't trust  a single teacher or administrator with a firearm.  I take too many theft reports from teachers and administrators already because of their carelessness.  They leave their own property as well as district property laying around and wonder why it grows feet and walks away.  Add a firearm into the equation and you have the recipe for disaster....... and armed juvenile or unauthorized adult on campus.  NO WAY!!!!!!!!



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Ok, so first we arm Teachers.. next, do we arm personnel in the Movie Theaters as well?  NO.. we wouldn't. 


This would be a catastrophy.  Think about all the training and evaluations a Police Officer has to endure.  So, then, are we saying that a Teacher wouldn't be able to teach if they couldn't pass those evaluations because they wouldn't be able to carry a weapon?  What if some pass the qualifications and others do not?  Do you arm a few of them only; the ones who passed? 


Just a few things to think about.


"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

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Gun free zones don't work in the real world and only increase the potential for gun violence! Active shooters are drawn to areas filled with defenseless people, and the protection of children in school should be priority number one. I think every school in America should have armed security because you can only stop a mass murderer with deadly force...and if it saves just one life, it's worth it.


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A rifle strapped over the back of the teacher during a playground fight brings new meaning to the phrase, "You are on time out!!" 


And what about those "F's" you've been getting on your math tests?

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Okay, I get it. . . . .police officers are superior to everybody else and nobody else has the ability to know when their life, or somebody else's life is being threatened to the point that lethal force may be necessary.  Nobody else has the ability to hit the side of a barn with a gun  standing only feet from it.  Nobody else even knows how to use a firearm to save a life. . . .except the police.  I get it now. . . .the police are GODS!


Let me remind you of a few facts.  MOST villages, cities, counties and states are BROKE!  If you listen to government workers (yes police are a part of this), they aren't getting paid enough to do their jobs but there is nothing left to steal from the producers of those venues because the unemployment rate is so high.  The first post I worked at had jurisdiction over an entire county of 65,000 people.  We had an average of 12 troopers at the post, the county had an average of 12 road deputies (we shared with the deps the duties of crime fighting in the county) and about a dozen villages of part-time officers whose main jobs were working at Ford, GM or Chrysler and only working around 30 hours in the villages because that is all the village could afford.  YET. . . .they had a school in these villages.  Whose going to foot the bill in these schools for police protection?  Or, even a hired gun. . . .I mean security guard?  There are countiies in the State of Michigan that can't even afford a road patrol for their deputies so they only provide what is required in the state constitution. . . . .a jail and civil process.


Let's also face the fact that the best response times in these areas. .  .could be 20 minutes on some days.  How many children can be killed in that amount of time?  Those that say that a teacher is incapable of protecting our children when we, as police officers, are incapable of that because of our response time are doing our fellow civil servants a great diservice.  Besides, I never said to force the teachers to carry. . . . .my point was to ALLOW them to be armed IF they chose to be armed, BUT under strict guidelines approved of by school system AND local prosecutor's office.  Maybe even  have the teacher donate to the cause by bringing in a specific type of lock box to secure the weapon when it is "appropriate".

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Okay, I get it. . . . .police officers are superior to everybody else and nobody else has the ability to know when their life, or somebody else's life is being threatened to the point that lethal force may be necessary.  Nobody else has the ability to hit the side of a barn with a gun  standing only feet from it.  Nobody else even knows how to use a firearm to save a life. . . .except the police.  I get it now. . . .the police are GODS!


Let me remind you of a few facts.  MOST villages, cities, counties and states are BROKE!  If you listen to government workers (yes police are a part of this), they aren't getting paid enough to do their jobs but there is nothing left to steal from the producers of those venues because the unemployment rate is so high.  The first post I worked at had jurisdiction over an entire county of 65,000 people.  We had an average of 12 troopers at the post, the county had an average of 12 road deputies (we shared with the deps the duties of crime fighting in the county) and about a dozen villages of part-time officers whose main jobs were working at Ford, GM or Chrysler and only working around 30 hours in the villages because that is all the village could afford.  YET. . . .they had a school in these villages.  Whose going to foot the bill in these schools for police protection?  Or, even a hired gun. . . .I mean security guard?  There are countiies in the State of Michigan that can't even afford a road patrol for their deputies so they only provide what is required in the state constitution. . . . .a jail and civil process.


Let's also face the fact that the best response times in these areas. .  .could be 20 minutes on some days.  How many children can be killed in that amount of time?  Those that say that a teacher is incapable of protecting our children when we, as police officers, are incapable of that because of our response time are doing our fellow civil servants a great diservice.  Besides, I never said to force the teachers to carry. . . . .my point was to ALLOW them to be armed IF they chose to be armed, BUT under strict guidelines approved of by school system AND local prosecutor's office.  Maybe even  have the teacher donate to the cause by bringing in a specific type of lock box to secure the weapon when it is "appropriate".



Why not arm Volunteers of each Police Department? Would that make sense then too?  Nah, I don't think so.


Hell, we couldn't even carry Tasers because of the 40 hours of training needed.  Just sayin'.. my two cents! :)


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Beowulf_7 says ...



Okay, I get it. . . . .police officers are superior to everybody else and nobody else has the ability to know when their life, or somebody else's life is being threatened to the point that lethal force may be necessary.  Nobody else has the ability to hit the side of a barn with a gun  standing only feet from it.  Nobody else even knows how to use a firearm to save a life. . . .except the police.  I get it now. . . .the police are GODS!


Let me remind you of a few facts.  MOST villages, cities, counties and states are BROKE!  If you listen to government workers (yes police are a part of this), they aren't getting paid enough to do their jobs but there is nothing left to steal from the producers of those venues because the unemployment rate is so high.  The first post I worked at had jurisdiction over an entire county of 65,000 people.  We had an average of 12 troopers at the post, the county had an average of 12 road deputies (we shared with the deps the duties of crime fighting in the county) and about a dozen villages of part-time officers whose main jobs were working at Ford, GM or Chrysler and only working around 30 hours in the villages because that is all the village could afford.  YET. . . .they had a school in these villages.  Whose going to foot the bill in these schools for police protection?  Or, even a hired gun. . . .I mean security guard?  There are countiies in the State of Michigan that can't even afford a road patrol for their deputies so they only provide what is required in the state constitution. . . . .a jail and civil process.


Let's also face the fact that the best response times in these areas. .  .could be 20 minutes on some days.  How many children can be killed in that amount of time?  Those that say that a teacher is incapable of protecting our children when we, as police officers, are incapable of that because of our response time are doing our fellow civil servants a great diservice.  Besides, I never said to force the teachers to carry. . . . .my point was to ALLOW them to be armed IF they chose to be armed, BUT under strict guidelines approved of by school system AND local prosecutor's office.  Maybe even  have the teacher donate to the cause by bringing in a specific type of lock box to secure the weapon when it is "appropriate".



Why not arm Volunteers of each Police Department? Would that make sense then too?  Nah, I don't think so.


Hell, we couldn't even carry Tasers because of the 40 hours of training needed.  Just sayin'.. my two cents! :)



Be careful of what you say because there are departments that DO arm their volunteers!  There are also people out there that can shoot 10 times better than most police officers.  As for the tasers. . . . .Michigan didn't even allow tasers until just a few years ago.  It is still a felony in Michigan for a regular citizen to possess a taser type of weapon.

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Should Administrators/Teachers be "forced" to carry in schools, absolutely not!


Should Administrators/Teachers be "allowed" to carry in schools?  I believe yes, but with conditions.


The conditions being that they go through extensive background checks and a thorough training program demonstrating they can both properly handle and shoot the firearm.  Probably also limit the type of both firearm and ammunition!


Has the same not already been not already been successfully implemented with pilots in commercial aricraft?


Police can not be everywhere 24/7, and who better to defend our children in schools, providing they are properly trained, than the people we entrust our children with every day...


 


Having the proper Attitude and Mental Preparation combined with proper Training gives you the tools needed to Think, Act, and Be Safe...

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I am a security officer for a school district AND a reserve police officer. I've met quite a few teachers and administrators and from the ones I've met, most are too intimidated by the kids and believe that they are all innocent little angels. Most of these administrators also believe that handcuffs and pepper spray are too intimidating. There is also a district policy prohibiting employees (even those who have a concealed handgun license) from bringing a firearm onto district property. The district I work for is not large enough (14 schools with total student population of between 1100 and 1200)  to sustain a police department of its own. Personally, I think  there will come a time where administration (from campus principals to district wide administrators) will realize that school shootings can happen at any school, even those within the district I work for and things will change. I've got no clue when that will be and perhaps I'll be on to another career step when it does, but I think the attitude will change eventually.


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 If even 2 of the office personell had a firearm. this would have been a 5min blip on the evening news and we wouldnt be having this conversation.


 


If they have their CCL, then let them use it.


 


How can you have a right to defend your life if it ends at your front porch. It's a dangerous road we walk when we start tinkering with gun legislation.


 


Saying teachers can't be trusted with a gun basically says nobody can. Should our lives be left in the hands of police? I'm sorry but with a 1-30min response time that doesn't inspiire confidence.


Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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 If even 2 of the office personell had a firearm. this would have been a 5min blip on the evening news and we wouldnt be having this conversation.


 


If they have their CCL, then let them use it.


 


How can you have a right to defend your life if it ends at your front porch. It's a dangerous road we walk when we start tinkering with gun legislation.


 


Saying teachers can't be trusted with a gun basically says nobody can. Should our lives be left in the hands of police? I'm sorry but with a 1-30min response time that doesn't inspiire confidence.



Come work where I work and you will soon change your opinion.  The ones I deal with on a daily basis file theft reports for their on as well as district property that they are responsible for because they are careless and irresponsible.  Many others as rypete has stated, are intimidated by the students and will in fact become victims as they are disarmed.  Then you have what I stated earlier....... A juvenile or otherwise unauthorized adult on campus with a loaded firearm, which is to say, a recipe for disaster.

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And you haven't seen police officers that were intimidated by the public????  Prior to my arrival at my first post the midnight car (2 troopers) were dispatched to a domestic violence call where everything was going well until it came time to arrest the suspect.  The suspect didn't like the program as offered (i.e. spending the night in jail) and the fight was on!  When the suspect was finally cuffed and walked out to the car for transport, one of the officers was sitting inside a locked patrol vehicle yelling into the mic. . . ." We need help!  They're really fighting in there!".  Sometime after I arrived at that post, that same officer was promoted. . . . and later demoted because he was incapable of doing the job.  Yes, he should have been fired for cowardice. . . .but he wasn't and I don't know why.


To be intimidated by another individual can be a natural response to some. . . . .it is what they do with that response.  I know there were times when I looked at the individual (usually substantially larger than me) and kind of wondered to myself, "Did I pack a big enough lunch for this?".  After the initial thought passed it was . . ."Well, if I get my butt whooped today. . . . it ain't gonna be because I didn't try."  I never lost, but the thought did creep in from time to time.


I say that to say this. . . . .if these teachers have the same thoughts that I did while on the road, that is one thing.  If they are incapacitated by these thoughts, then they aren't even useful to their chosen profession and could be one of the reasons we have people coming out of school that are incapable of reading, writing and doing simple arithmetic.  These specific individuals should be moved to classes where the students are less intimidating. . . .or moved out of the system.


Again, I never said, nor would I even think of forcing teachers to pick up arms.  However, they should be allowed to pick up arms if they wish to AND go through the training that their specific school system would require.  As for the losing of the weapon, that is on them as it would be on us if we lost our weapon.  The teachers though in this past shooting incident and in future incidents need to be able to respond, appropriately, to the threat that will have taken (or could have taken) maybe 25 plus lives before the police even arrive.

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Again, I never said, nor would I even think of forcing teachers to pick up arms.  However, they should be allowed to pick up arms if they wish to AND go through the training that their specific school system would require.  As for the losing of the weapon, that is on them as it would be on us if we lost our weapon.  The teachers though in this past shooting incident and in future incidents need to be able to respond, appropriately, to the threat that will have taken (or could have taken) maybe 25 plus lives before the police even arrive.



I don't think that a Teacher should have the same accountability as an Officer of the Law has, hence the reason they should not be armed.  If they lose the weapon, they need to be accountable for it?? No, they don't.. the Officials need to be held accountable for letting them have a weapon in the first place. 


Yes, teachers need to be able to respond, appropriately.. in your words.. what if they don't or can't? 


What ever happened to just Teachers being able to teach?  It takes a certain kind of person for that profession... just as it takes a certain kind of person to be a Law Enforcement Officer.


 


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Had the CT school principal had a rifle, shotgun or pistol as the Assistant Principal at Pearl High School in Pearl, MIssissippi had. . . . .there may be 25 people alive today.  But, because the CT officials refuse to allow common sense to invade their thinking, they only have themselves to blame that a gunman was allowed the time necessary to kill a total of what. . .27 people?  There should have been only 1 body bag needed for that shooting. . . .for the idiot that felt the need to kill defenseless children.  The Assist. Principal was able to detain the shooter at Pearl High School with a .45cal. pistol that he kept in his truck BEFORE the shooter had the chance to move to the Jr. High to continue his rampage.  The total on that one. . . . .2 dead and 7 injured.  Mind you, the police were still enroute as he had to hold the shooter there until the police arrived.  Would you be willing to allow a shooter more access to our children because you believe our teachers are too imcompetent to intercede?  If you say yes. . . .I pity you.


There is also the Harold, Texas school system where the school board has voted to allow the faculty to carry IF they choose to.  Superintendent's comments on the news were that because they were 30 minutes away from the closest police department, if they ever need to call for a similar situation, the police should only have to worry about bringing 1 body bag . . . . . for the original idiot that started the problem!


It is unbelievable to me that we will put people in charge of teaching and protecting our little ones during the course of a normal day that we won't trust with a weapon.  What sense does that make?  Are our teachers that incompetent?  If so, then they should be fired and people that we would trust with a weapon. . . . .should be the only ones that we entrust with the lives of our children.  The pic I posted earlier on pretty much says it all. . . .school shooting deaths in the last 10 years:  Israel - 8, U.S. - 323.  Who does a better job of protecting our precious children. . .us or Israel?  What do they do differently?  Their teachers are allowed to CARRY weapons.  Are our teachers any less competent than Israel's?  I guess so according to many of those that have posted on this thread.

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I won't argue the carelessness of others. And I agree that security guard shouldn't be part of the job description. But given the alternatives this is a reasonable option. I honestly dont care if its teachers SROs Off Duty constables or what have you. But if the town doesn't have the resources it's still fesible. I rather have a cornered teacher scared (blankless) than nothing at all. They will fire or freeze but its one more layer of resistance between the mad man and the kids.


Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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The question really is:


"Should intelligent law abiding citizens be allowed to do something that any other law abiding citizen of this country is capable of doing?"


Any person meeting the qualifications for carrying a concealed weapon in their individual jurisdiction should do so. I have no problem with the idea.



I totally agree.

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Ok, so first we arm Teachers.. next, do we arm personnel in the Movie Theaters as well?  NO.. we wouldn't. 


This would be a catastrophy.  Think about all the training and evaluations a Police Officer has to endure.  So, then, are we saying that a Teacher wouldn't be able to teach if they couldn't pass those evaluations because they wouldn't be able to carry a weapon?  What if some pass the qualifications and others do not?  Do you arm a few of them only; the ones who passed? 


Just a few things to think about.



Dude, I totally disagree with you.  Arming a few is better than none.  If I'm not mistaken you have to have a clean record in order to teach.  I did when I was a substitute.  I'll call you.  We'll talk more about it.

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Ok, so first we arm Teachers.. next, do we arm personnel in the Movie Theaters as well?  NO.. we wouldn't. 


This would be a catastrophy.  Think about all the training and evaluations a Police Officer has to endure.  So, then, are we saying that a Teacher wouldn't be able to teach if they couldn't pass those evaluations because they wouldn't be able to carry a weapon?  What if some pass the qualifications and others do not?  Do you arm a few of them only; the ones who passed? 


Just a few things to think about.



Dude, I totally disagree with you.  Arming a few is better than none.  If I'm not mistaken you have to have a clean record in order to teach.  I did when I was a substitute.  I'll call you.  We'll talk more about it.



Dude.. you can disagree with me.. that's fine.  We all have our own opinions.  Call me.. it is always good to talk to you, but you won't change my mind on this


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Catwoman911 says ...



Ok, so first we arm Teachers.. next, do we arm personnel in the Movie Theaters as well?  NO.. we wouldn't. 


This would be a catastrophy.  Think about all the training and evaluations a Police Officer has to endure.  So, then, are we saying that a Teacher wouldn't be able to teach if they couldn't pass those evaluations because they wouldn't be able to carry a weapon?  What if some pass the qualifications and others do not?  Do you arm a few of them only; the ones who passed? 


Just a few things to think about.



Dude, I totally disagree with you.  Arming a few is better than none.  If I'm not mistaken you have to have a clean record in order to teach.  I did when I was a substitute.  I'll call you.  We'll talk more about it.



Dude.. you can disagree with me.. that's fine.  We all have our own opinions.  Call me.. it is always good to talk to you, but you won't change my mind on this



Personal opinions are great!  However an opinion is only as good as the information it is based upon.  Some of the arguments presented in both this and the other thread (not so much by you) are based upon inaccurate information and arrogance.  That's what we called in sales. . . ."Stinkin' Thinkin'" and that is no way to make important decisions or form opinions.

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