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Hello, I have introduced myself in the forums (http://policelink.monster.com/topics/85800-hello/posts) but wanted to ask a few questions.


As stated in the intro, I am in the application process for a Reserve position at a local Sheriff agency. I have completed the initial application, passed the PT assessment, taken and passed the basic written exam, taken the psych exam, and am now going for my oral psych this week via webcam. I have turned in my PHQ but have yet to have an initial interview with the BI. Though, I have a few questions regarding the oral psych and some few others related to the background process as a whole.


1) Since this is a webcam evaluation with the psychologist and not face to face, do I look into the camera when speaking to him/her or

look at the screen? I know this may sound silly but I have researched this and found reasons to do either or.


2) After filling out my PHQ and having turned it in, I have recalled a few more items that I should list to ensure my integrity is sustained and I am not wihtholding anything, however I have called alteast once already to add more items that I have remembered (yes, I am focused on the packet that I had filled out; I made copies of what I had turned in so I can remember what I put and have been obsessing over it to ensure I disclose anything that I may have forgotten. Is it okay to call mulitple times to add any info that I had failed to record in the PHQ before turning it in? I realize that may lead to a negative connotation of my memory but it's difficult for me to remember everything in the past to ensure I haven't lied.


For example, one of the questions asks to list items that I have taken from my employer. I mentioned office supplies (accidentally) but recently recalled one of our work vehicle's fuel card that I had brought home on accident but contacted a coworker to bring the card back to work; it was never utilized for personal use just forgot to put it back in the vehicle after fueling. Also, there is a question regarding damaging an employer's property, etc. I recall knocking over a traffic cone while driving at work on accident, although nothing was damaged.


I am probably overthinking this and need to relax but I am serious when it comes to my integrity and do not want it questioned. Does the BI go over the PHQ extensively and go over any items that I may have missed? I understand I should've recalled these incidents before returned the answered PHQ.

 


Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

 

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Uh oh, you hit a traffic cone! Thats it, your toast!


Seriously, you are obsessing over this WAY TOO MUCH!  Take a breath once in awhile. You accidently took a fuel card home(did not use it for personal gain), knocked over a traffic cone. Do you realize how insignificant those are? If thats all, you are BI's dream. Look at the screen, its where the person you will be talking to is. Just like face to face. And good luck.


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Take a deep breath and relax. Yes, you are over thinking this.

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I agree with both the sarge and uncledennis on the over thinking part.  As for the webcam interview, it's an easy fix and works with anything that you may not have seen before.  Just remember to work this phrase (in your own words) into your vocabulary. . . . ."I'm sorry, (I've heard of/seen this, but never experienced it) (I've never had the pleasure of working this way), so for this excercise how would you like me do this?  This is just a general idea, you have to fill in the specifics but being honest is usually the best policy.


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 Thank you all for the insight. I'm a bit hard on myself at times, perhaps a weakness of mine. 


I will definitely be reviewing any questions that may come up in the oral psych regarding myself and the info provided in the PHQ.


 

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 Just took my oral psych...should find out soon as the department will evaluate everything up until this point - application, written, physical assessment, PHQ, and the psych evaluation. I'm a bit relieved and nervous; the eval was approximately 20 minutes. I feel that I may have accidentally left out some info but at the end, I did ask the psychologist on any suggestions etc based on the interview alone, that would help further/better myself - she advised honesty is always taken in the highest regard.


 


i was honest as I can be and to my recollection at the time.

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CDubya says ...




<snip> For example, one of the questions asks to list items that I have taken from my employer. I mentioned office supplies (accidentally) but recently recalled one of our work vehicle's fuel card that I had brought home on accident but contacted a coworker to bring the card back to work; it was never utilized for personal use just forgot to put it back in the vehicle after fueling. Also, there is a question regarding damaging an employer's property, etc. I recall knocking over a traffic cone while driving at work on accident, although nothing was damaged.


I am probably overthinking this and need to relax but I am serious when it comes to my integrity and do not want it questioned. Does the BI go over the PHQ extensively and go over any items that I may have missed? I understand I should've recalled these incidents before returned the answered PHQ.

 



Any insight would be greatly appreciated! <snip> (edited for length and relevance) 


You've already received some good advice from my fellow PL'ers. I would just add one observation. LE work is all about discretion and common sense. My concern is that accidentally taking a fuel card home or knocking over a traffic cone constitute "reportable offenses" to you. You can't afford to be that heavy handed with people on the street. Writing somebody for every possible equipment/moving violation on a traffic stop because "technically" they broke the law is not what we do. Arresting a single mother for a misdemeanor warrant when she is the sole caretaker/provider for her minor children, when you can just as easily give her the option of appearing the next day to have it cleared up, is not appropriate either.


I'm sure you understand this, but I felt it was important to point out for other viewers who may peruse this thread as well. I I apologize for drifting off topic and I didn't mean to hijack your thread. 


 Best of luck...


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So, I anxiously went to check the mail today and saw a very thin envelope from the local LE agency in which I had applied, took the PT, written and psych test, and had my psych evaluation, but was not selected for the position. I'm a bit disappointed but it honestly instilled even more motivation to have a career in LE. The letter didn't specify any reason but  I was becoming more and more realistic to the fact that this may be the outcome as I received word that they were contacting my references during the background but I did not hear any family (wife, father, brother, etc.) mention anything about the LE agency contacting them; only received word from two of my references (they willingly told me, I did not ask or interrogate them). I assumed that they would contact my wife and some of my family members fairly early on in the background process.


I suppose I could always contact HR and see if they can provide any reasons for which I was not selected. I guess it's time that I fill out any and all applications to nearby departments. Maybe one day...

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CDubya. they will not give a reason for the rejection. I would not even contact them. As chief when I sent a rejection letter I only stated we could not offer a position and wished them well.

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So, would it be advisable not to apply with the same department down the road? Such as, several years maybe?

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Since they are not the only game in town, yes seek other agencies.

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Apply to different departments.


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 I don't think it would hurt you to reapply to the same department, even in the next hiring cycle. Just because you were not hired this time around does not mean you won't be the ideal candidate in the next round. However, you absolutely should be applying to more departments. Don't pidgeon-hole yourself by focusing on one area or department. 


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 Thank you all for the replies. 


I plan on calling several other local agencies tomorrow to inquire about job openings, requirements, etc.