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Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 Hey guys, so I want to buy a back-up pistol. I just wanted to see what kind of pistol you guys would recommend? 

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 Before you shell out money, do you know if you are allowed to carry a second gun concealed? Your employer may have rules governing what you can carry, and in my State security officers can only carry exposed unless they have a separate CCW permit.


There are sound arguments about choosing a revolver and still others for choosing a pistol chambered for same caliber as your primary (better still, one that takes same mags)


Ask your peers at work what they carry and why.  Ask more than one person, and ask if they're happy with their choice. If they say they don't carry a backup ask them why too.

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I like the option of using my mags from my primary duty weapon in my backup gun. A glock 27, though a bit bulky, will take my 22 ammo. I like the option so I won't have to carry two types of ammo or two types of magazines. They also shoot relatively similar.

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I'm very pleased with my Colt 380.Right cal. and right size for me.

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 someone told me that small guns such as .308, that after firing a  few times will jam. Is that true, or are they pretty good?

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 I prefer a snub (I have a S&W 642, it's an air weight 5 shot hammer less revolver). Depending on where you carry it, works if you shoot through your pocket, not as prone to malfunctions like pistols such as inadvertently releasing mag if in a pocket or carried "off side" or lint in the slide.

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Bump to you Erik.That exact model and my 380 are the two weapons I changed off on during my career as back-ups.

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 Has anyone seen the micro dersert eagle?

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In regard to your question SecurityGuard2131 about jamming problems..As a rule it is not necessary the caliber that causes the problem ,but the manufacturer and/or a specific model number.I have and /or have had 22,25,32,38,380 357,9 mil. and 40 cals and no problem.I am certain that some weapons from time to time will jam.When Glock first started manufacturing the "40",years ago they had a major jamming problem ,but straightened that out withen a mount or two.--Haven't run into the micro Desert Eagle ,but have fired the Desert Eagle 50. and the UZI.The Israeli's make some fabulous weapons.

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 Thanks, I only ask this question because I want to get a small gun to just carry when I'm just going to the store/ or need a back up gun. But I was told they jam all the time. But you guys answered the question so thank you guys. Also I just saw the Micro Dersert Eagle on youtube. Its a really sweet looking gun. 

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being the title of this discussion is "back-up gun", i shall inject my ole 2 cents with a little (i hope) common sense. A backup gun is used for what? back up. when you are out of ammo for primary weapon and need a second weapon for self defense, or have been disarmed of your primary weapon, or maybe need to hand off your back  up gun to your mate, partner, friend or fellow leo who needs a weapon to assist you or them selves in defense. Also, a back up gun is usually needed real quick, no fuss or muss, you usually need to be firing as quickly as you can remove it from its holster. With those thoughts i would recommend a 6 shot snub nose revolver in .38 special. No safety, quick to shoot-just pull the trigger, can be fired with either hand,just in case you are involved in a physical fight in close quarters (kinda hard to release a safety with your left hand if you have an injured right hand or your right hand if fighting your opponent) finally, a good revolver is very safe for handling and carry-keep finger off trigger-no boom boom.  good luck in your search.

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 Thanks MIikiesplace. I was either going with a snub nose or a ruger lcp. My current gun is a great primary but i needed something that would be quick to grab in a moments notice. Alot of my friends have snub noses and they like it. Im just afraid that its going to go off when i sit down or something. Has that ever happened?

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MetroRW30. Makes some good points. I have never known security guards to carry a second gun. In my area security guards are govern by a board of commissioners. Since they set policy I would be certain those in security may only carry an open/exposed type of holster. You need to relax as you may be overthinking this. By all means check with your company. You do know the difference between security and law enforcement?

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Okay, So I dont really want a gun for work. I wanted a second gun so if I ever have to give my primary weapon up i have a second. And no we in the security field can not carry secondy weapons. 

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Correct me if am wrong but you want to carry two handguns in plain clothes? The reason behind this is someone takes your gun you will have a second weapon at the ready? Are my statements accurate?

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 Yes you are correct uncledenis. My cpl instruster told me that if you have to give up your weapon, you  better have another because they will try and kill you with your own weapon

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SecurityOfficer2131. To be honest your thought process concerns me. If you are carrying concealed how would anyone know you are packing a gun? So another security guard advised you of the benefit of a second weapon?

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SecurityOfficer2131 says ...



Okay, So I dont really want a gun for work. I wanted a second gun so if I ever have to give my primary weapon up i have a second. And no we in the security field can not carry secondy weapons. 


 


You just posted this and still telling UncleD you want it for work?


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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 I either carry a Glock 27 on my ankle (accepts mags from my 35) or I carry a S&W 380 bodyguard on my week side in my vest. I am also bike officer so in shorts I secure Bodyguard in my cargo pocket because I wear a polo and vest gun would not work. I think a gun that uses same mags as duty weapon is best but any backup beats no backup!


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 I don't know where you are a security officer but in my state, what you are describing is considered an illegal act, unless you have a CCW permit and then you're limited to one.  I know of no agency in my state that allows a security officer to carry a secondary weapon concealed while they are working. Your company may authorize the carry of one firearm in an open view holster, while you are working only and that would be it.  I think you may be getting a little ahead of yourself here.  The only people authorized to carry a "back up weapon" as you put it are police officers and that varies from agency to agency. 


I agree with UncleDennis here.  These thought processes do concern me.

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Ok here's my opinion because this discussion is starting to bother me a little. In my short career I have pulled my weapon on a few occasions. At no time was resistance offered further because apparently the person(s) knew I meant what I said when I said it. EVEN IF it got to the point where further resistance would be futile there are other tools available (mainly HANDS) which will cause the problem to de-escalate. I do not carry a back-up weapon. I do not see the need in having a back-up weapon. Personally I have been in many situations that kinda make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Still didn't need one. Why again does a security guard need a back-up weapon? Are there that many life-threatening calls on the property you are guarding which would cause you to A) have a drawn weapon malfunction or B) have a drawn weapon used and run out of ammunition? This has me extremely curious. A weapon, ANY weapon properly presented is generally good enough to cause the aggressor to stand down. In my opinion, mere presence is most of the time good enough. Thoughts?


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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

1st-as to the need for a backup weapon, a. your main weapon may experience a major malfunction or it may be removed from your person, also, i dont think it matters where you work,  a major city or small town usa, i am sure there are many stories we here on policelink can tell of the need and use of a backup gun.


2nd-as to your question as to safety with a revolver, quality handguns from smith and wesson, colt, ruger, etc, you can even pull the hammer back and try striking the hammer forward onto a live round with a hammer but if the finger isnt on the trigger-no bang.


3rd-some of my esteemed colleagues are addressing the rights, legallity, rules and procedures for carrying a  backup gun but i didnt think that was the question on a gear and equipment forum-i believe your question has been answered

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

I prefer a sling shot... why don't you try one of those.


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SecurityOfficer brought up an interesting scenerio a few hours ago about shooting onesself.A number of years ago in the town where I was a leo one of our Deputy Chiefs was giving a speech at a local high school.He was carrying his off-duty 38 snubby in a hip pocket.Yep,you guessed it.The ending of the speech was quite impressive as he shot himself in his tail when he sat.---He evidently should have been carrying DonnaLynn's sling shot.

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 Alright so I know you guys dont really thing I'm that smart or I'm very witty. But I asked a question and it got answered. For the ones who answered it thank you. For the ones who didnt thank you as well. I just wanted to see what was the best backup gun for you guys. I didnt need all the negitive comments. thanks.

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

I prefer a desert eagle in 357 magnum, pretty bulky to conceal, but people are impressed when i whip out my gun.

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 I would love a desert eagle. But I honstley think its alot more fire power then I need for any day. But it would be nice to own one. 

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I am going to be totally honest with you. You bring a lot of the negative responses on yourself. I attempted to suggest that you back off on so many forums and read the forums as a learning tool. Not to sound cruel you would have never made it past the first interview during my tenure as chief. I read you like a book. You have an opportunity to change your demeanor prior to making future applications. Look for ways to improve. Don't axe me for the reasons as I will not reveal as you need to determine for yourself.

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 okay

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The Smith & Wesson bodyguard .380 or S&W Shield 9mm are both great guns and will perform flawlessly with every brand ammo that I've tried in Round nose, flat nose or Hollowpoint. However with that said, they are very hard to find right now as most everyone is out of stock. Carrying a back-up gun and being a security officer depends on the laws in your state as well as the rules of your employer. In Mississippi you can carry as many back-ups as needed as long as you have a CCW permit and your employer allows you to do so. One of my employers allows back-up carry while another frowns upon it. As far as needing a back-up gun is concerned, I see it just like carrying a  any gun to begin with, it is better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it.

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