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 So i applied to the baltimore city pd a few months back, passed the written exam, physical fitness test, and took my psych. at the psych test i also turned in all of my background check info. 6 weeks letter i get a thanks but no thanks letter. im trying to figure out what it was that dqd me. i have never done drugs. only one minor traffic violation. and a pretty clean slate. Theres only a few things i can think of that would potentially dq me.


 


1. When i was 18 i joined the army, a few weeks into basic i had a revalation of sorts, along with problems at home i made the decision the military wasnt the place for me at that particular time. i explained all of this to the chaplain and company commander. they were as understanding as they could be and explained to me that within 180 days theres a thing called entry level separation. this is used when the commander hasnt had enough time to determine whether or not my service was good/bad etc. so it was practicly an innullment from being in the army. they proceded to explain that i had to "refuse to train" to recieve the els. in doing so i recieved an article 15, company grade, and lost a pay grade. a few weeks later i was discharged. on my dd214 it says type of separation: discharge. Character of service: Uncharacterized. Re code 3 separation code jga. could the uncharacterized discharge be the reason? the article 15? 


2. I was fired from a job by a bad boss that i wouldnt be suprised if he threw me under the bus if they called him during background investigation.


I have always wanted to be a police officer and other than the military ive never done anything else that could have disqualified me in my opinion. any answers would help greatly. thanks.

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Odd first post since you have been a member for some time. Did you received an undesireable discharge? In my opinion you do not come across as stable. I am certain the agency picked up on some bad vibes. I am curious of your age and level of education? You also have a skeleton profile which concerns me. Since you were disciplined in the military this may be the kiss of death.

 

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 The discharge was uncharacterized, not good not bad just ELS. Im 22, i made the account awhile back when first considering a LEO career choice but had to get a stable job to support my family and never used the account until now. High school grad and two years of trade school/apprenticeship program. Sorry if i come off as strange lol just never used my account until now, at least never posted just browsed.  

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Keep in mind once you execute the waiver the back ground investigator may speak to anyone. Since law enforcement is similiar to the military if you received an unable to adapt this may be the reason.

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 Not sure if you know or not, is there any sort of appeals process for most departments? Ive emailed a recruiter with some questions but have yet to recieve a answer. Just hate the fact that a decision made as a stupid kid can ruin my dream of becoming a police officer.

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Never email unless instructed or the distance is a long travel. Always visit by phone or in person perferably in person as it leaves a better impression. They may blow off your email. The past does come back and bite people.

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 Welcome to PL.  


I have come to realize that if you feel a burning desire to ask such a question I feel you already know the answer.  So, are you wanting confirmation?  Also, why are you asking us, you should be asking the department that didn't hire you.  See UncleD's response... no email.


Good luck finding answers.


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Irish_Fan, just so you know where I'm coming from: I'm a Retired US Army Staff Sergeant (E-6) and spent the last 5 years or so of my Military Career as a Career Counselor. I've also been an Active LEO for almost 20 years. That being said, I have a few questions and maybe we can get this figured out:


A Separation Code of "JGA" would only indicate "Entry level performance and conduct or entry level status performance - pregnancy". The Separation Codes are pretty generic for most background investigations. Out of curiosity, on your DD Form 214, there is a Reenlistment Code (aka "RE Code"). What does yours read? An ELS Discharge (Entry Level Separation) is typically done early in a Military Career (less than 180 days) and often done in cases of misconduct, or failure to meet standards. I'm more interested in your RE Code.


In reference to your Article 15: You state you lost a pay grade, but was only in the military a few weeks. Since you said you were 18 when you enlisted, college credits for promotion (and ROTC) are pretty much out of the question (though not impossible). What grade were you prior to your reduction? If your pay grade was above E-1, how did you obtain that pay grade (I'm curious). How was your Article 15 filed? Your Company Commander would have informed you of that, and/or it would be on your copy of the paperwork.


Being fired from a job with a bad boss in itself probably (I say probably) would DQ you. What reason did your boss give for firing you? Employee theft would be a major issue.


 


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I have to concur with 36TR.Don't see how it is feasable to lose a pay grade when you are already at the lowest pay greade>I'm also an Army vet. Be advised you would never be booted from the service for an article #15.An article #15 is somewhat similar to being sent to the principals office in grade school.Also all discharge papers are coded so as to give your potential employeer a heads-up as to your character.You perchance did NOT receive a dishonorable,but a "Bad Conduct" is not a whole lot better and a "General "Discharge will possibly also keep you out of law enforcement.

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 Thank you too all your replies, 36tr, my pay grade entering the army was e-2, i achieved this by passing the meps pt test, when i joined my recruiter told me if i passed the pt test prior to basic id get e2. I dont remember my company commander telling me what it was filed under, i can dig thru all my discharge papers to see if i recieved a copy. my RE code is 3, after six months i need a waiver, after two years no waiver needed, is how they described it, i had every intention of re-joining after i got my affairs in order. As for the firing situation, i worked for a mom and pop plumbing company and hours were hit or miss, so i had a discussion wioth him about other employment. we agreed to supplement hours i would do side work for my father in law. They attempted to call me in on a day i was not in the area (working with father in law) and i told them i couldnt. Got a txt an hour later stating to turn in my uniform on monday. So i would say alot of miscommunication between us but he was one of those bosses that refuses to think about a situation and just acts. I recieved an email back from my recruiter telling me to write a letter to their personel department stating why i thinmk i shuld be allowed to re apply and why i think i was dq and to explain it all, good or bad sign? my discharge wasnt bad conduct as far as i know, i didnt do anything bad/malicious. just explained my situation and they gave me options, we all agreed, get out, get affairs in order, and rejoin. But the rejoin never happened.  Any other questions just ask.

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If everything you're telling us is accurate (not calling you out, we've just been lied to too many times), here's what I would recommend: talk to the Agency Recruiter/Human Resources - in person. (Make an appointment if you have to). Let them know how interested you are in the job. Find out what it was that DQ'd you, explaining you'd like to be able to remedy your DQ.


Keep in mind, there are a lot of reasons you can be disqualified. The Military thing and the firing may only be the icing on the cake. There may be things in your history that has you DQ'd.  Maybe it was something in your Psych test. Or, you may not have been DQ'd at all: just not chosen.  I'm sure Baltimore PD has hundreds (if not thousands) of applicants. As with any employer, they are going to take the best qualified ones to represent their organization. Bottom line, contact the agency rep and see what you can do to improve your chances.


Best of luck to you!!


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36TR says ...



If everything you're telling us is accurate (not calling you out, we've just been lied to too many times), here's what I would recommend: talk to the Agency Recruiter/Human Resources - in person. (Make an appointment if you have to). Let them know how interested you are in the job. Find out what it was that DQ'd you, explaining you'd like to be able to remedy your DQ.


Keep in mind, there are a lot of reasons you can be disqualified. The Military thing and the firing may only be the icing on the cake. There may be things in your history that has you DQ'd.  Maybe it was something in your Psych test. Or, you may not have been DQ'd at all: just not chosen.  I'm sure Baltimore PD has hundreds (if not thousands) of applicants. As with any employer, they are going to take the best qualified ones to represent their organization. Bottom line, contact the agency rep and see what you can do to improve your chances.


Best of luck to you!!


36TR is giving some stellar advice. I'd strongly recommend the OP take heed of this and follow his suggestions.


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Thank you all very much all of your info has been a big help! like i stated earlier i got an email back saying to send in a letter to the hr/recruiting people saying why i should be able to re apply and all. but i see that you reccomend actually calling and trying to meet in person. should i ignore the letter and just call someone? or just write the letter and wait to hear from someone. i really hope they let me plead my "case" and explain everything, depending on what dqd me. but again thatnk you 36TR all of your info has givin me a new sense of hope that it can work out, thank you very much. il let everyone know how it all works out. 

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Send them the letter as they recommended with the information they asked for. In the letter explain you'd like an in person meeting to plead your case. A follow up phone call wouldn't be out of line, but don't over-do it.


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I deliberately let the detailed answers accumulate before posting. One glaring omission though. YOU QUIT THE ARMED FORCES! We are a paramilitary organization, just as stressful and demanding. Few if any departments will spend the monies, time and effort to hire, train and equip an officer with that label.


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i understand that but i just dnt want a decision, made as an immature teenager, effect me as a mature adult who wants more than anything to serve his country in a different way now. it wasnt the best decision but ive matured tenfold and think i deserve the chance.

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One glaring omission though. YOU QUIT THE ARMED FORCES! 



I did note that, Sgt. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.


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36TR says ...



SGT405 says ...



One glaring omission though. YOU QUIT THE ARMED FORCES! 



I did note that, Sgt. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.



 


 


Sorry, I tend to put things bluntly. 


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i understand that but i just dnt want a decision, made as an immature teenager, effect me as a mature adult who wants more than anything to serve his country in a different way now. it wasnt the best decision but ive matured tenfold and think i deserve the chance.

I tell my two teenage daughters to always look to the future. I am sure I sound like a broken record. I say it at least once a week "any descision you make today can ruin your  life tomorrow". Unfortunately some descisions we make as immature teenagers or adults come back to bite us. I wish you the best.

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 Bump KCecala, I say almost the samething...."the decisions you make today effect the choices you have tomorrow."


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Super posts/sound advise within the past hour by both my friends KCecala and MetroRW30.I experienced in life that after the service,the armed forces will either make you or break you.It did with me and a number of my friends.I believe Irish-Fan is right there,ready to set his life straight.I am quite blessed in that I had mentors,much wiser than I ,who were there to help me extract my head from my a$$ whenever I placed it there.

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Being a Marine vet and two son that are former marines. The discharge is issue" you start something didn't finish" having family issue at age 18 was good excuse to leave the service,but it done you have to fix it. You maybe have option upgrading your discharge with DD 293 form. http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/infomgt/forms/eforms/dd0293.pdf