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Poll: Vest/Shoulder Holster for BUG

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Poll: Which do you feel would be the best option?

Gpd_max50

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Posted about 2 years ago

 

So I'm toying between three options to carry my BUG (Glock 27) while on duty.  The first attaches to the vest and the other two are separate shoulder rigs.  I have already ruled out pretty much every holster that attaches to the already-in-place shoulder straps, such as the Uncle Mikes etc.  I have tried and do not like them.


The Bianchi Tranzit actually replaces the vest strap(s) on one side of the vest and has a holster built into it.

http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/Prod.php?TxtModelID=4420


The ULTRA Concealed Carry Shoulder Holster fits like a normal shoulder holster but is made of fabric that allows it to conceal in the same manner as the Tranzit.  This would obviously have to go over my vest.

http://www.deepconceal.com/product-p/ultra-model-holster.htm


The DeepConcealment Shoulder Holster is almost identical to the shoulder holster above but fastens slightly differenty.  I'd have to buy the optional thumb break with this one due to agency policy.

http://www.activeprogear.com/234.html


Let me know what you think or if you have any experience with them or similar products!  Either shoulder holster could be worn with my EDC under a button up shirt that may be tucked in when a belt holster isn't practical.

White_shirt_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 2 years ago

 

Why not purchase them all and decide. I have never been a fan of carrying a second gun nor shoulder holsters. I do recall after the Steve McQueen movie Bullet several of the officers purchased shoulder holsters. Make sure this is not a phase. I am curious if a police movie promted this? How long have you been a cop? I am guessing a short time. I am in no way attempting to undermind you.

Gpd_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 2 years ago

 

If you consider 3 years a short time then you'd be correct.  No it wasn't prompted by a movie. In fact I haven't seen a single movie where a BUG was carried to begin with.


It was prompted by the desire to not get shot and/or killed when my primary duty weapon malfunctions to the point I cannot correct it in the field or I am unable to access it for one reason or another. Not carrying one is IMO asking for trouble and I see no reason to not carry one.  Have you ever tried to draw a duty firearm while seated in a patrol car, especially with the seatbelt on? This is merely one of many reasons why a backup should always be carried. I'd encourage a look at this article to possibly change your mind:


http://www.bluesheepdog.com/the-back-up-gun/


The shoulder holsters I posted are not traditional shoulder holsters. If you didn't visit the links I'd encourage you to take a look. 


As far as purchasing all three, I'd need a pay raise for that unfortunately. 

White_shirt_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 2 years ago

 

Yes, at 3 years you are still finding your way around. Studies have determined it takes 5 years to be able to function in full capacity. I am a retired chief of police and two years ago hired as a captain. I ride from time to time with officers with many years of service to determine if any bad habits exist and then correct them. As stated I am opponsed to a backup weapon and feel shoulder hosters are not safe and easily detected by the public. Feel free to PM me if I may offer any tips and/or advice. Take care on the bricks.

Gpd_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 2 years ago

 

The "shoulder" holsters I posted are elastic straps with a holster sewn in with magazine slots as well.  The "shoulder" part is simply because it has straps that go over your shoulders to keep the elastic band/strap from sliding down under movement/weight of the gun.  You haven't expressed why you don't like back up guns so I'm curious for an answer why you prefer NOT to have another gun?


I understand you are highly qualified but with respect to this back up gun issue I see no valid reason to not have one and find it absurd to think having one is a bad idea.  IMO not having a backup is FAR more unsafe than having one, especially when it is carried in a secure manner (as all three of the holsters I posted do).  I'm sure the familes of the 8 officers in the previous article I posted would tend to agree.


Who cares if it is detected by the public? I have a gun that is openly carried, is that not easily detected by the public?  

White_shirt_max50

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Rate This | Posted about 2 years ago

 

Actually my reason for not being a fan of a second weapon is personal and I do not wish to reveal. Since I don't know you I feel uncomfortable discussing this subject. Do not take it personal as it takes time to gain my trust. It is just me. My feeling if you have approval to carry a second weapon and use a shoulder holster that is your choice. I do not knock what works for others. Best to you.

Somegiveall_max160_max160_max50

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

sorry, i gotta put in my old 2 cents into this one, first, i have always, while in uniform or plainclothes(detective and anti-crime) carried two weapons (PISTOLS) in addition to a good knife while working. The only time i didnt carry two guns was when i was working undercover. I think you are right on in wishing to have a back up gun on your person.


Now, as to your posting these items for feedback, i did spend the time to look at all three holsters on line so here goes my personal opinion along with a question or two.


Evidently you work in uniform in florida, do you wear  your vest under your uniform shirt?  is your vest a light weight kevlar or a more substantial with ballistic plates? If you wear your vest over your uniform shirt this is a whole different matter, If you worked in an environment where most of the time you wore a jacket of some kind, this would also change things. Now to the holsters, the bianchi tranzit is NOT a shoulder holster, it merely attaches to your vest on the side, if worn under a tucked in uniform shirt which is held down by trouser belt plus gunbelt, i think your access to it would be greatly impeded. the second, which was a shoulder rig, the ULTRA concealed, appears to be the type one would wear off duty under a civie shirt worn outside the trousers for concealment(REMEMBER, IF OFFDUTY, AND IN CIVIE CLOTHES, YOU MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHERE AND WHEN YOU WILL PRODUCE YOUR WEAPON AND ID YOURSELF TO TAKE ACTION, THIS ALLOWS YOU TIME TO GET ACCESS TO YOUR GUN) Side note--beware of nylon straps and webbing, in long term, these will deteriorate, curl up and become uncomfortable. Your third choice is a belly band holster(yeah i had one and used it while off duty to match what i was wearing) a belly band with shoulder straps, i cannot see you wearing this setup over y our vest and under your uniform.Not to accessable and would not look to good.  In weather where a jacket is worn, i would wear a shoulder holster. In warm weather i would wear an ankle holster(had one and wore it for years) GOOD LUCK AND STAY SAFE OUT THERE.

Gpd_max50

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Rate This | Posted almost 2 years ago

 

 I wear a "traditional" zip up uniform shirt tucked into trousers with a velcro underbelt and then duty belt with keepers.  My vest is soft kevlar with a hard trauma plate in the front and a soft trauma plate under that - worn under the shirt.  I was leaning towards the Tranzit for duty cary and might get one of the other two for off duty as you described.  My off duty is currently an IWB and I find it uncomfortable and I get tired of my shirt riding up.


We've had officers have their ankle holsters come off in foot pursuits and while climbing fences so I've ruled that out as an option.  The only other option I have (since our department policy says the backup must be concealed) is some sort of a vest holster.  You are correct with regards to Florida...with the heat here a jacket is rarely worn, so that limits the options as well.  


I've tried the Uncle Mikes belly band holster attached to the vest straps, but I find that it doesn't secure the gun very well and also causes issues with how the vest straps pull on the front carrier.  


If you know of other/better alternatives I'm all up for it.  My backup is a Glock 27 and agency policy says it must be concealed.  Aside from that we are free to carry it as we like.  Thanks for your help.