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 Hey guys,


First off thank you for taking the time to read this post. 


In June of 2010 right around the time I graduated high school at the age of seventeen,  I made an ignorant, juvenile decision.  I spent a few days at my older sister's apartment who was involved in extensive drug use.  I ended up trying ecstasy with her three times within two days.  I hated it every time I took it and I know I will be criticized for taking it more than once but I stupidly assumed "it would be better next time."


That was two years ago and I am almost twenty years old now.  At the time I took the drug, I did not know I wanted to be a police officer.  I live in Utah and now have a dream of becoming a Police Officer.  I know I will never take drugs again for as long as I live.  I am currently enrolled in community college and taking a criminal justice class. 


Are there any police officers or knowledgable individuals who may have some information for me on how my stupid decision will affect my dream of becoming a law enforcement officer?

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Of course, there are many folks on the site that can provide a response.


Here is one: It all depends.


If you are not even 20 years old, stay in college and complete your degree. In most places you cannot become a law enforcement professional until you are 21 years old.


Secondly, the ecstacy incident(s): For some agencies, it may a permanent disqualifier. For others, a significant amount of time might need to pass before you are 'eligible'. Five years is the general guideline.


But then again, there a few agencies that might give you a chance when you turn 21 without too many problems.


What you need to do is to contact the agency you want to work for and ask them. If you don't open the door and open your mouth, then it is just a toss of the dice for your future.


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What he said ^^^^^^^^^^


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fecb19 says ...



 I ended up trying ecstasy with her three times within two days.  I hated it every time I took it


 


Yet you still did!


Taking it once would have drastically increased your odds of achieving your goal vs 3 times. Most posters never quite tell us the entire truth of the situation. If this is ALL that is on your background it would definitely be an uphill battle. My dept. would not hire you.



 


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What they said.

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Yup. Ditto.


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I would echo the responses given thus far from my esteemed colleagues from around the country.  To those comments, I would like to add the following.


You should refrain from attempting to minimize the incident(s) by calling it an "ignorant juvenile decision."  Having recently graduated from high school, YOU KNEW OR REASONABLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN that Ecstasy was a controlled substance / dangerous drug, that mere possession is a felony and that taking and being under the influence of Ecstasy was likewise illegal.   Ignorance on the other hand would indicate that you had no clue that what you were doing was illegal.  Here's a factoid for you...... IGNORANCE TO THE LAW IS NOT A VALID LEGAL DEFENSE.  The fact is that on 3 occasions, you did something that you knew was illegal and would, or at the very least, could have negative repercussions as you attempt to obtain a career in law enforcement.  You went against everything you knew and against your better judgement and flat out ignored the law.  Doing so and knowing that you are doing so IS NOT IGNORANCE.   That said, instead of trying to minimize these 3 incidents as has been related by you, call it what it really was....... JUST PLAIN S-T-U-P-I-D CHOICES REPEATED BY YOU 3 TIMES....... AND NOTHING LESS AND NO EXCUSES.


With that...... good luck.


BTW:  Am I the only one who finds that this does not quite pass the smell test?

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Thank you for all the information but I would really like it to be minimized to helpful information such as that given by The Sarge. I do not appreciate the lectures and chastisement.  I know I messed up and my regret is enough punishment.  I know I have high standards and right morals because I have grown a lot since then. I know it was a S-T-U-P-I-D decision and there is no excuse for what I did.  I know the wrong has been done and would like to do anything and everything I can to move forward with a positive attitude to hopefully become a police officer and serve the community.

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fecb19 says ...



Thank you for all the information but I would really like it to be minimized to helpful information such as that given by the sarge. I do not appreciate the lectures and chastisement.  I know I *messed* up and my regret is enough punishment.  I know I have high standards and right morals because I have grown a lot since then. I know it was a S-T-U-P-I-D decision and there is no excuse for what I did.  I know the wrong has been done and would like to do anything and everything I can to move forward with a positive attitude to hopefully become a police officer and serve the community


 


"I do not appreciate the lectures and chastisement"??? You better get over that. You committed a felony, three times, and don't expect a little scolding? Sorry, we aren't going to pat you on the back and tell you it will all be okay. You came to a LE website, seeking answers from folks who see this same info in applications/interviews everyday, but want our answers "minimzed to helpful information." Well, every reply you've gotten so far is helpful information. Not necessarily warm and fuzzy, feel good info, but honest, straightforward advice and opinions from those with the knowledge and experience to back it up.
Take the advice of The Sarge. Go ask your local agency. You might be surprised, maybe they have an active case with your name involved you can help them clear up.
Best of luck in your future endeavors....

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fecb19 says ...



Thank you for all the information but I would really like it to be minimized to helpful information such as that given by the sarge. I do not appreciate the lectures and chastisement.  I know I messed up and my regret is enough punishment.  I know I have high standards and right morals because I have grown a lot since then. I know it was a S-T-U-P-I-D decision and there is no excuse for what I did.  I know the wrong has been done and would like to do anything and everything I can to move forward with a positive attitude to hopefully become a police officer and serve the community.


 



Before I decide if I want to answer your latest post on this topic, you may want to ask yourself if this is really the road that you want to travel and if you feel lucky enough to traverse it well, or if you may want to park, look at a map and choose an alternate route.  Keep in mind that you are the one that wants desperately to be where we are..... This being a place that we worked hard to get to that included making the right choices when faced with the very same situation as you described it.  None of us are saying that we are perfect.  In not so many words as my previous post, I said do not minimize the incident as simple ignorance because you and I both know that wasn't the case.  Man up and call it what it was when you correspond with one of us, complete your application and when you (if you) continue on to any interview process.  You may also want to consider your temperament.  The job requires you to have much thicker skin than what you are displaying.  This means taking criticism at times.  Now, you decide if you want to continue your current path or if you want to pick an alternate route and get the lecture you really deserve.

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fecb19 says ...



Thank you for all the information but I would really like it to be minimized to helpful information such as that given by the sarge. I do not appreciate the lectures and chastisement.  I know I messed up and my regret is enough punishment.  I know I have high standards and right morals because I have grown a lot since then. I know it was a S-T-U-P-I-D decision and there is no excuse for what I did.  I know the wrong has been done and would like to do anything and everything I can to move forward with a positive attitude to hopefully become a police officer and serve the community.



Tough cookies you don't want to hear it. If your skin is that thin I suggest you back to facebook. Ta-ta


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Thank you MH557 and Skool Cop. I realize I am the one who desperately wants to be in your position.  Also, Thank you for being straight forward with me and I realize you deserve more respect than I have given you since you have completed the long road I have yet to begin. I will have a much thicker skin from now on. Thank you for your service.

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Also, everything about the incident that I have stated is the absolute truth and I would test that against a polygraph which I know I will hopefully be in the position to do someday


 


 

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fecb19 says ...



Thank you MH557 and Skool Cop. I realize I am the one who desperately wants to be in your position.  Also, Thank you for being straight forward with me and I realize you deserve more respect than I have given you since you have completed the long road I have yet to begin. I will have a much thicker skin from now on. Thank you for your service.



This ^^^ is soooooooooooo much better.  A bit humble and respectful.  Nice save, kid.  Good luck to you.


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Ok, this is the reality. If being a law enforcement officer is a dream then hold on to it. Be the best damn adult that you can be. Do have an alternate career path and follow it. Getting accepted into Law Enforcement is pretty tough and extremly competitive. It really comes down to mathamatics. Many apply, few make it. There are many good men and women that have not been accepted for one reason or the other. It comes down to best qualified, and having done ecstacy 3 times only makes you more qualified then the one that has done it 4 times. It really is that tough. An example on how competitive it came be. Many departments require a High School diploma, however, to be competitive you better have a 4 year college degree.


I am not sure, but I do not think that the military would waive the ecstacy use. They waive some drug usage but not sure about that drug. Try the national guard, their regulations are a little looser. You have an uphill battle but if you want it bad enough then you have to put in the time at making up for that mistake. However, do your homework and find a department that may be willing to waive that drug usage. To be completely honest, you would be automatically disqualified for most depatments that I know of, but I do not know everything. Good luck.  

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fecb19 says ...



Thank you MH557 and Skool Cop. I realize I am the one who desperately wants to be in your position.  Also, Thank you for being straight forward with me and I realize you deserve more respect than I have given you since you have completed the long road I have yet to begin. I will have a much thicker skin from now on. Thank you for your service.



MUCH BETTER....... We know the words seem harsh when you are on the receiving end and to some degree, they are intended to be so.  That said, when I say not to minimize something that in reality has great significance, it is to help you with your process regardless of qualify or disqualify as the two possible outcomes.  Yes, there was a lecture in what I said, but when you stepped back and actually listened to it, you also heard the advice.


Now, as others have here to fore mentioned, your road is long and it is up hill.  You have to paint the line that separates your past from the present.  Ask the department to which you may apply what their policies are, complete your appropriate applications and see which way the pendulum swings.  Have an alternate career path regardless of the outcome.  Even if you do get hired initially, the academy weeds out a fair percentage.  Others may not make the grade with their FTO and yet others will find once they are in service, that they are in way over their head and choose to leave on their own.  The best case scenario, being hired and passing all phases including your probation period, you may still become involved in an incident on or off duty that may result in a career ending injury.  Hence having a back up plan.  IF you are one of the lucky ones who are able to enjoy a career in LE, then and only then will you come to fully understand what we have worked so hard to achieve and why we sometimes come off as harsh.

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BUMP to all and I can only add, stay in school and get your degree, while establishing a positive work history. Do internships and some volunteer work, with ride alongs at the agency of interest. When the time comes be honest with everything...

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Thank you all for giving me an idea of what I am up against, I greatly appreciate the time taken to help me.  I still have a year until I turn 21 and that will put three years between me and my incident.  I plan on becoming a mental as well as physical beast within this next year before I apply to the academy. I am going to give it everything I have. Pure dedication... that way, no matter the outcome I can say I gave it my all. Thank you again

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 I think this thread could have stopped at The Sarge's post. But the follow up posts were dead on. Follow the advice given by all the posts. Expect to wait some time (at least 3-5 years) before moving forward. 


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 I think this thread could have stopped at The Sarge's post. But the follow up posts were dead on. Follow the advice given by all the posts. Expect to wait some time (at least 3-5 years) before moving forward. 



Bumpity, bump, bump!  Good luck with your endeavor!  Who knows the way society is now by the time you apply Exstacy may get a pass!  You never know.  However, it being a felony is a hard pill to swallow!


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BigNTS says ...



 I think this thread could have stopped at The Sarge's post. But the follow up posts were dead on. Follow the advice given by all the posts. Expect to wait some time (at least 3-5 years) before moving forward. 



Bumpity, bump, bump!  Good luck with your endeavor!  Who knows the way society is now by the time you apply Exstacy may get a pass!  You never know.  However, it being a felony is a hard pill to swallow!



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