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In Genesis Chapter 2, God creates man.  He then notes that man is in need of a helpmeet and creates woman.  Many people see women as an inferior creature.  And in some ways-that is true.  Now before any of you women get mad – just listen.  We were not meant to be a strong as a man.  The original word used in the context is “ezer.”  This means “a necessary opposite.”  Women were created to be the necessary opposite of men.  Men are geared more toward the logical and women the emotional, and so forth.


1.  What are your thoughts on the subject?


Man was given permission to eat of any plant in the garden except the one tree.  He was specifically told to not touch that tree.


2.  Why do you think God put it there only to instruct man not to touch it?


In John Chapter 2, we see the miracle at the wedding.  Jesus turned water into wine.  Note that he didn’t say “let it be wine.”  He simply told them to dip it out and give it to the master.  The master of the feast was surprised at how good the wine was.  This is because, in those days, the good wine was served first.  That way when the people were drunk or tired from the feast, the “less than” wine was brought out and no one was the wiser.


3.  Why do you think the wine was better than the first wine?  Was it just because Jesus made it?  Was it intentional to prove a point?

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Hello everyone, I first would like to say that women are not inferior in any way to a man in value, because to God she is highly valued, however the world looks at these things through the lens of the carnal. We live in an age where everything is about success, money, self help, self esteem, self period, God created an order, that is perfect and right. God made man to be the head of the woman, just as Christ is the head of the church, and man like Christ is suppose to love his wife(woman) cherish his wife, honor his wife,and give himself for her, just as Christ gave him self for us all. This is not a matter of being inferior, for anything that God holds of high value is held in the highest honor, that no man can devalue or dishonor !!


I believe that God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden to see if man would first obey him, but also completely depend on him for both their physical provisions and their spiritual provisions, as well. He gave them free will to choose, just as he dose today, man chose death over life, because God told him that the day that they eat of the tree, that they would would die. This death was a spiritual death and the birth of sin, sickness, pain, sorrow, and ultimately physical death. Man had a  clear choice. The choice was to continue to enjoy the wonderful life that God had given him, indulging in the wonderful pleasures of enjoyment, by the eating of the other trees and especially of the tree of life, which would have been the blessed option, but they chose the tree of death instead, and so because of the sin of Adam, sin and death passed upon us all. I thank God for his grace, love, mercy, and infinite wisdom by sending his son Jesus to take our sin upon him that we might be made the righteousness of God. There is therefore now no comdemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Roman 8: 1-2


I believe that the second wine tasted better than the first, because Jesus had blessed it , through a miracle, but I also see this as a symbol of what Jesus represents. The old wine represents the old covenant (The Law) (i.e.) sacrifices, ceremonies, etc. These things could not completely take away the sins of man, because year after year the high preist would go in to the holy of holies for the sins of himself and the people, but their was always that reminder of sin , but the second wine represents Jesus Christ, as the perfect sacrifice, who completely takes away sin. There is no more reminder sin for all the old sin has be wiped away. This is the Covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my Laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodires washed with pure water. Hebrew 10:16-22


 

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 I believe women are equal to men.   Like kaalima said there is a order and the man is the head of the wife.   This does not mean I am going to sit around like a door mat I will will let my opions known.   But ultimately the final decision will be the man's.   Women believe submission is a bad word.  I personally found it very freeing not to always be trying to be in control.   


   I never really thought about why God put that tree there but I do know he knew Adam & Eve would eat the fruit from it.   


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How do you all feel about the definition "necessary opposite" in reference to a woman?  Do you find it insulting, complimentary, freeing, etc?  I find it to be refreshing.  I like that women are not created to be like a man.  Women were created to be man's compliment - to (for lack of a better reference) 'complete' him.  I like that women are not expected by God to behave, think, or feel like men.  God knew what He was doing when he done that.  I'm not "man-bashing" but think about what the world would be like if all humans were like men - or like women.  There is a wonderful balance that God designed in men and women.


The tree:  Have any of you thought about this:  If God had not put the tree there, then there would have been no reason to instruct man to leave it alone.  Without that, man would not have been able to sin.  That was the only command at the time - do not touch it.  Without the chance to sin, man would not be free moral agents.  The tree was necessary.  Without free will, our praise, worship, sacrifice, obedience means nothing.  The tree was mandatory for free will to be part of the plan.  Yes - I believe God knew what would happen.  He's God.  He knows it all - always has.  But He had to put it there for the 'free will factor.'


Just some things to chew on.....

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Whitetm,:How very perceptive of you on your "necessary opposite".Indeed that is a very good reason why God made men and women as he did.They compliment one another in being opposites.This makes for a beautiful grand partnership,such as in marraige.If any of you are leos you may have had the opportunity of working the streets with the opposite gender,as I have.Frequently a female officers presence is quite advantageous at the scene of a family disturbance due to their claming effect and to specifically hear the wife's/girlfriend's position.---In my specific case I have a great deal of education and lack wisdom while my spouse lacks the education but has the vast majority of the wisdom.


Indeed the good Lord knew what he was doing and always will.

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ssu459:  Kudos to you.  It takes a real man to own up to his weaknesses.  I have the book learning.  I have wisdom - when I have time to think.  Spur of the moment - it's better left to someone else!  If I have time to think and pray - I can usually make a right or good decision.  But often times, my knee-jerk reactions are not correct.  My father could make spur-of-the-moment decisions very well.  He was very wise.  My mom is Italian.  You know how we Italians are - very emotionally based.  That's why I have to take time to stop and think. 


God's necessary opposite for me will have to be a very patient man! ha ha ha!!

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 1. I agree with kaalima 100%! We have a long ways since the Bible days of what women were to do. Women used to stay at home, do the cooking and cleaning and child raising. Then it moved up to farm work and house work, to now where women are in work force. But call me oldfashion but I do see men as inferior on some jobs and tasks that should be done by men only. 


2. I believe God put the tree in the garden to give both Adam and Eve a choice, obey Him or disobey Him. Adam and Eve both were free to eat anything they wanted in the garden but no that one tree. If God had not given them the choice or had not put the tree in the garden they both would have been like robots doing whatever they were programmed to do. God created Adam and Eve to be free beings, able to choose between right and wrong and make decisions. But in order for them to be totally free they had to make a choice. 


......whitetm, I know exactly what your saying lol, I am Italian as well as my mother and sister are too. Yes we are very emotional, I know I am, my mom tells me all the time I need to stop and think. 


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The man is head of the woman just like Christ is the head of the church. So how men treat their wives should be an exact image of the way Christ treats the church. Did Christ exalt himself above us? No, his Father will. But while he was on earth he called us his brothers. Men, our marriages and the way we treat our wives should reflect the humility of Christ.

Good stuff people. Keep up the good discussions.


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I know I may be opening a can of worms here but I have two more questions from Chapter 2.


Verse 24 says: "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."


Some people say this is where God established marriage between man and woman.  Thoughts?


I have heard that the statement "they shall become one flesh" is reference to having a child.  "How else could one man and one woman become one flesh?  The child is one flesh made up of both parents."  Do you think this is accurate?  How do you feel about this and/or what are your thoughts about that particular statement?

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I believe their spirits are intertwined.The offspring ,from said marraige ,the Lord hopes, will become a result of said intertwining."Raise up a child in the way he should go and from  this wayhe shall never depart".Although this is what God expects to happen it doesn't always work this way.My son claims to be an agnostic,for many years,but thankfully he is returning to the fold,ala the prodigal son.


I see this ":one flesh" as becoming one in the Spirit.They are equally yoked in their convictions,to live for Him.Just like a marriage "made in Heaven",so to speak takes constant work,so does our closeness to the Lord,take constant dedication. Sorry,it mayappear a though I'm guilty of rambling.


In re to your other inference,yes,God made marraige for "She and Him" ,not Steve and Jim.As far as cleveing to the wife,AMEN.THe young couple should not make it a habit of running to Mommy and Daddy with every knit picking problem which comes up.As adults,God expects them to conduct themselves as such.It is also a splended idea to establish with your parents that the children are yours and you will do the raising ,although you appreciate their input you will controll your own family,at the direction of God,of course.

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God is a faithful God. In His image we are to reflect His faithfulness. "You shall not committ adultery" is the 8th commandment. Two become one flesh in the sense of faithful inseparability. We live in a fallen world and this is not usually the case any more. Now it's anything goes.

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 I do not think having a child is becoming one flesh because a lot of couples do not have children.  God never meant marriage between any one but a man and women.   


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In re to your other inference,yes,God made marraige for "She and Him" ,not Steve and Jim.As far as cleveing to the wife,AMEN.THe young couple should not make it a habit of running to Mommy and Daddy with every knit picking problem which comes up.As adults,God expects them to conduct themselves as such.It is also a splended idea to establish with your parents that the children are yours and you will do the raising ,although you appreciate their input you will controll your own family,at the direction of God,of course.



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You know, it is rare for couples to realize that.  I actually have family that still run to their parents about their petty arguments with spouses, girlfriends, etc.  In Bible times, there were extended families living together or close to another, and they understood that their marriage was their marriage not everyone's.  Why is it so hard for couples (who don't even live witht heir in-laws) to clear that hurdle now?  Personally, I think it is because so many people do not want to grow up, take responsibility, and learn to think like mature adults.  They want the 'family' scene without the obligations that go with it.

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 Yes I believe that a marriage should be between one man and one woman. That is what God created in the begining. Not one man and 12 women, or man and man, woman and woman. I did not see in the Bible during the time God created it that he created 12 women for Adam, or God did not create Steve for Adam either. I could take this topic and go on and on but I won't lol. 


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