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Research ??? Googling is NOT research...

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I am amused that the word 'research' has been so recklessly used as a dressed up version of a simple push of the Google button.


"I have done my research and ....". I don't think so.


Spending a minute or two clicking on links does not equal research.


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Let me research that and get back to you.


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I have to agree with you Sarge. I started with just google searchs for information but really didnt get "real" information till I started speaking with the officers doing the job everyday. Its hard to believe there are so many people especially on this site claiming they want to become LEO's but are "afraid" or unwilling to take the time to actually talk to them.


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A good researcher knows how to get to reliable sources and glean off what's needed.  Good research is done from a number of angles that includes reputable sources of many kinds.  Can be academic sources such as research findings published in reputable journals or articles and essays by esteemed professionals in the field.


Any library can direct patrons to materials and internet links to reputable sources.  Depending upon the type of research these materials can be supplemental or provide the main thrust.  These materials can be an organizing factor. 


Or, one can start with the interview.


When it comes to the human factor, (haha yes I said it) nothing beats the interview.  The interviewer must create a relevant and objective line of query and establish rapport.  A good interviewer knows when to let the interviewee lead so that information not considered may emerge and inform research already gathered.  That is a very good thing. 


Anecdotal material is potentially quite valuable.  It is advisable to interview several subjects in order to cross-reference anecdotal material contributed by each.  From anecdotal material, one gets a more dimensional perspective on the issues at hand.  Anecdotal material can direct  a query toward other research questions.  These in turn must be corroborated by factual or statistical material.  In less formal research, a consensus of expert opinions gathered in interview can suffice.


Observation is critical.  However a 'sampling' of an experience can never tell the whole story.  It can, however, customize one's research in a useful way because information emerges from events.  This information is plugged back into interview, formal research, etc.


Google, Bing, etc. lead into a universe.  To traverse it properly and glean off relevant material takes a particular knack.  The key is knowing how to discern a reputable source from a morass of drek.  These days, any jackass' blithering can be doctored up to look plausible. 


If you want the real deal, get it right from the horse's mouth.



 


 


 

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bill9823 says ...



Let me research that and get back to you.


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Didn't have google or the internet when  I went to college.  Had to do research the good old way, where you really learned something by doing it.


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Didn't have google or the internet when  I went to college.  Had to do research the good old way, where you really learned something by doing it.



 


That's still the way I like to do it.

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Let's not "forget" another invaluable source, "Wikipedia"


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Headbrer I look at wikipedia all the time to get a general idea.  Profs often draw lecture materials from wiki.  But again - one has to corroborate what one finds there!

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 It's a fine starting point when you need an idea for where to take the direction of your research, but it's not the end point. I have used it as a start for college projects and have been told to use it by some professors as a start. 


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I was told by my daughter that her professors told her that her best friends would be Google, Wikipedia and YouTube.


She was studying for her RN degree at the time. Lucky for her, she was smarter than simply using trite links to learn her nursing skills.


She is now an RN at a Pediatric ICU in a prominent medical center and she did not completely rely on internet resources for her studies. She studied real medical books, real nursing books and established works to gain her medical knowledge.


Imagine that! Books. With real pages. Who would have thunk it....? 


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hmnmm....I read about them book things on the internet once.


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So let me get this straight... Books are like Google... But without a search bar and videos, right??

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It doesn’t matter what you do, he said, so long as you change something from the way it was before you touched it into something that’s like you after you take your hands away. The difference between the man who just cuts lawns and a real gardener is in the touching, he said. The lawn-cutter might just as well not have been there at all; the gardener will be there a lifetime."


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The college I work at is talking about closing the Learnig Research Center, AKA: Library, and going digital.  All books and other resourses would be put on nooks or simular reading devices.  The goal is to convert textbooks over to digital and would only be good for on semester. This is the trend in many American colleges. 


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Whaaa??!! Burn the stacks??!! That's CRIMINAL!!


Digital Only will make studies and research TEN TIMES HARDER!  Digital media STINKS when you've got an exam or a paper due and have to grab research fast and array it.  Books are #1 for fast retrieval because they become highly efficient MECHANICAL objects in the human hand!  You can scan FIVE BOOKS AT A TIME if you know what you are doing!


Digital media is a NIGHTMARE if you don't know the page number of that excerpt you breezed past and need to get to it fast using your rapid visual recognition to scan for buzz phrases.   Digital media SUCKS!  It  prioritizes itself over your own visual memory capabilites!


A freaking NOOK CAN NOT let you fan through pages scanning for buzz phrases that ring a bell!  YouCAN scan and glean off hardly- remembered quotes if you are handling a book you glanced at last week.


You CAN'T lay-out sources side-by-side, fan and scan for charts you saw only once, compare and contrast as you compose an outline and xerox with a FREAKING NOOK. 


A FREAKING NOOK won't let you fan and scan for 'possibly related graphics' to pop so you can xerox, etc. and insert into your report.  Oh wait - I get it...they'll CHARGE to download quotes and illustrations off your digital media, right? RIIIGHT.  Shriek.


So lemme see if I got this right.  Admin held students hostage to bookstore bundling and obscene +100 dollar prices for heavy magazine stock textbooks and now they want to cut students' libraries and fire personnel as some kind of great trade-off?? 


Students and their folks better organize against Library-less, Digital-Only Colleges.  And FAST.


COLLEGE BOARDS HAVE GONE BARKING MAD!! 


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Let me go hit up factcheck real quick and i'll let ya know.... lulz.


Now can you research topics online.... sure. Is going to google or ask or whatever your poison and posting a question research? No. Is regurgitating the same answer posted on 20000 forums research? No. Is going to the source site of the info such as laws regulations statutes etc pulling up the desired statute reading 30 pages of incoherent BS taking notes consulting a legal dictionary and coming up with a sumation of information research? Sure.


I blame kids today... they are just as lazy as i was at that age.


Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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I was at a training a couple of weeks ago and one of the instructors used wikipedia as a reference during his presentation.  Yea, Really?  I thought.  The guy immediatly lost all credibility with me.  If I want an idea of what something is or what something is about I will check wikipedia.  If I want to KNOW something I will use only credible verifiable sources.  Google is your friend but then you need to only trust credible sites.  I stilll rather books than the internet for research but it does have value.

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 All the googling, yahoo searches, and Ask Jeeves put together can never beat good ol' fashioned hands on learning.

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 All the googling, yahoo searches, and Ask Jeeves put together can never beat good ol' fashioned hands on learning.


 


Amen to that! I've always found that books are my best resource, next to the knowledge to be gleaned from picking the brains of a veteran officer. Their experiences and insight are invaulable tools that are too often ignored or discounted.


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This is a great topic because the LEOs here are putting in a heartfelt call for keeping print books in our daily lives. 


There's a LOT of paper products/packaging etc. we can and should do without.  Books are not one of them. 


Books are far more than mere paper products.  Our democracy's liberties are founded in Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press.  That means printed text as the unassailable mainstay of Liberty. 


Once books are only found in digital media - Liberty Aflame becomes a mere flip of the switch.  


Those suffering under totalitarianism know the printing press is Democracy's stronghold.  Our libraries ARE Freedom  - in action.    This faux vintage ad seems to sum-up every democracy's worst fears of the future. 


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There's nothing wrong with Googling for research, per se--it becomes a problem when people Google their question-of-the-hour and then proudly link the results without actually reading or comprehending. It's really no different from physical book research in that way. If you don't read anything more than the summary or you don't really understand the point then you've failed whether you got the information from a classic reference, a Bazooka Joe comic, or a blog.


Actually, MarlyB, I beg to differ on your digital censorship reference. Once it's in digital it is much harder to kill because there are so many unregulated copies that spring up--sometimes automatically. See archive.org for examples.




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Mz66, only a moron would argue away the value to research of Google as a search engine.  I think the Sarge and other posters here know Google and Bing, etc.'s value.  Rather, they are underscoring the value of printed material, interviews and other means to develope well-rounded research skills.  Hence the reference to student aims and methods.


Digital media "Harder to kill" than print-published copies? "Unregulated copies" as... insurance against state-sponsored censorship of the internet?? 


When it comes to the spectre of government-regulated digital media access, mz66, you have a LOT more faith than I do.


See China and Iran or stop by North Korea for examples.

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Covertly concealing or destroying (for the purposes of protecting political dissidents) digital contraband is a lot easier than covertly concealing or destroying paper contraband. There are many options for careful dissidents in the digital realm for circumventing state control of Internet pipes, protecting their speech capabilities and their asses--see "Tor" and "PGP", but certainly not limited to those.


China actually is having a heck of a time clamping down on free speech these days. According to some projections, by 2016 China will have over 800 million Internet users--that's about the same number as France, Germany, India, Japan, the U.K., and the U.S. combined.*


* http://www.bcg.com/documents/file96476.pdf (Boston Consulting Group: The Connected World...)




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Regarding the suppression of ideologies, a totalitarian government can simply 'throw the switch', and, except to a minute technologically-adept elite, shut down the 'pipe' altogether - as has Iran.  We don't want to see any state work itself into that position.


It starts with suppressing printed material.  Or...just...ceasing to teach from it?  We know an illiterate populace is easier to control.  Hunkered over laptops - gets harder to check.  Enter the classroom 'poster project' in lieu of pulling out the classic and going for it.  Fighting for your beliefs is knowing how to persuade verbally.  If a kid can debate well, the rest falls in line.


For the masses - the replacement of printed 'contraband', as you so delicately term it, mz66, by its hackable digital simile, remains a threat of the highest order.  In a totalitarian putsch, the of meaning of 'black-out' to masses grown dependent on the internet is a killing field more lethal to Liberty than any Pol Pot. 


By the way, lest I continue to highjack this thread into the virtues and drawbacks of digital 'research' under Big Brother, be he Ayatolla Pipe-Down or Premier ZZZT, I am happy to drive a PM to the zenith of paranoia. 


My ideology - welcome to it.


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I think Marly is right on the money. The government on a whim can easily funnel and filter the internet to the less tech-savay citizen in the name of national security or national emergency. Example for a couple of days back in 2006 all internet traffic was being funneled through D.C. The purpose was probably part of the search filtering and flagging in the effort to track terrorists. But was suffering from a slower than usual connection and ran a quick diagnostic to see if maybe the local backbone was down (all you geeks out there probably know what this means). So I ran a trace route to the particular site I was trying to connect to and it was being bounced from houston to dallas to TN to DC on down the line back to left coast. So I ran a trace to an aussie site and got pretty much the same thing. Yahoo same thing. Seemed everything goin out was being funneled through the servers in D.C. I doubt there was any ill intent to it but it just goes to show that like the national EAS somebody with less than good intentions could easily flip a switch and make life a little too interesting. I'll take my tin foil hat off now.


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Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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Wise words from George.


 




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YUP.


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When I was in Jr High and High School, I was part of the publishing crew for the school paper...so I always had to interview the people I had to, get information, all that fun stuff...you know, old-school. Notepad and paper! 


Hence, whenever I want information on something, I will either try to find something online, look up some books at the library or Barnes and Noble and try to talk to people associated with that topic I'm looking for.


I lived next to a library when I was getting my degree so I spent a lot of time hitting the books and looking up things I was studying.


I also liked it at academy when the teachers gave out their cards with contact info so in case we had a question about a certain topic, we can contact them.


My idea is, if I want to know something, I will dig and find whatever I have to to search for the answers.


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The college I work at is talking about closing the Learnig Research Center, AKA: Library, and going digital.  All books and other resourses would be put on nooks or simular reading devices.  The goal is to convert textbooks over to digital and would only be good for on semester. This is the trend in many American colleges. 



Oh my dear Lord. I have no idea where to begin to state the many things that are currently wrong with this country that could destroy us from within. This, however, is absolutely in the top 5.


I recently was involved in a discussion with our "powers that be" about field training for our rookies. It was mentioned that "We need to look at the various ways we can change our ways and methods of training to better accomodate these new people."  I asked, "Why?" The methods we use, learning the geography, firearms, report writing, driving, public relations, and the expectation that the new people learn this hasn't changed in in decades. And, oddly enough, neither has street crime. Yes, there is cyber crime and identity theft but while you do need some knowledge of computers, as we are becoming more tech oriented, those types of crimes are usually investigated by someone other than the street cop. What we need to focus on is the continued training that, in a road side gun fight, will keep our rookies alive.


I was looked at like I was speaking a foreign language. The counter was, but if we don't change to accomodate them they may lose interest. My return was, "If they are not interested in the job unless its like scenes and action from their PS3 or Wii then let them find another job."


I understand the world is always moving forward, but some things have been and should always be simple. Like reading a book. And these very same things should NEVER be allowed to fade away. Especially at the academic level. The college that plans to do this is doing a severe disservice to their students and should have their accredidation revoked....IMHO.


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