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Posted about 2 years ago

 

Why do people call Security Officers (Rent A Cops)?

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I could be way off and this is really just a shot in the dark...maybe because lot's of cops work private security jobs as a second job? So they're cops that are being rented?

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It's a pejorative term used to denigrate SGs.  Unlike sworn LEOs, SGs work for a private entity and are not sworn, therefore have no power to arrest, and are bound by the rules of their company and client site.


Rent-a-cop is a term used by a lot of people to insult SGs because unlike LEOs, they have no constitutional or statutory authority to do anything:  all of their authority comes from the company and client by which they are employed.  Most SGs I know (including me) find the term rather offensive.


Most often, it's used by dirtbags to imply that SGs can't do anything, when in fact if said dirtbag is not complying with orders to leave the property the SG is charged with protecting (or obey the rules), they have every right to call PD, detain, fill out a citizens' arrest form, and ban from the property (depending on company and client rules).  Means there's a mountain of paperwork to do, but it's worth it a lot of the time.

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That's about right, Gray Panther. We are not sworn officers, and people like to push our buttons. But little do they realize that we can still make them have a very bad day. In my case, half of my week is armed patrol. So my authority differs a little than that of a stationary security officer. And most people don't realize how dangerous armed security really is.

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GrayPanther says ...



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I would agree with GrayPanther's assessment ... to a certain point.


Steven82, take a look at your question. You use the phrase "Security Officers". The LEO landscape would consider this mixing your metaphors. Adding "Officers" to a security position does not buttress up the job description. As GrayPather suggests, there are no real "officer" powers enabled by the state or under a federal banner. It is a civil and private job description. It is more commonly and generically referred to as "Security Guard". Carrying a firearm doesn't change a thing.


And yes, Rent-A-Cop is a type of disparaging remark. But it does have a tongue-in-cheek aroma, too. California Highway Patrol (CHP) officers are often called "AAA with a badge". Cops and deputies are called 'road dogs'. We poke each other in the gut with a stick all the time. It's a cultural thing.  Everyone else can fill in the other jargon in successive posts.


I can speak only for myself. Every Rent-A-Cop, who had an assignment on a property site in my jurisdiction, was my eyes and ears. We worked in partnership. They did work I wouldn't want to do. And yet, they stood their 'watch' with a good measure of responsibility. I appreciated all the Security folks and the work they did. Only a very small portion of all the S/G's I knew were completely and remarkably incompetent. And guess what, ... I've met a few cops who were the same thing.



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A security officer (The difference between offocer and guard is the level of training at least in the company I work for) does have detention authority and can in the event of an actually witnessed felony CAN make an arrest like any other person. It just happens that a fully (yes fully and I will admit MOST aren't) trained officer has the appropriate tools for the job.


I personally am qualified for handcuffs OC and baton and have to requalify every 2 years on all three not to mention CPR/First Aid. In fact the ONLY training I do not have is the actual classroom training in the State law which I actually look up on my own to keep abreast of it.


Yes there are more than a few deadbeats and goldbricks in the security field they give us real officers a bad name and reputation. Then there are the companies thet refuse to allow thir officers the proper tools for the job ( a radio and flashlight are not sufficient these days) just because they don't want the expense of the training of the officers in the proper use of the tools not to mention requalifications.


My company makes us pay for all of it ourselves at $60+ a class and we have to have the classes to advance in rank in the company so we actually have to buy our advancement. ARMED training is in access of $600 for the initial trining and $300 for the quarterly requalifications and no gaurentee that you can get an armed site.


I really wish the LEO's on here would give the good security officers a decent break as I have has posts so put down that I almost refused to come back and wouldn't have if not  for the other securoty officers on these forums.

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Racn88 says ...


 half of my week is armed patrol. So my authority differs a little than that of a stationary security officer. 


Having a weapon does not increase your authority. It does however, increase your responsibility and liability.


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I concur with Scjohnk.Bu55c it is usually the civilians who call private security rent-a-cops.Just on this thread I see a good report from the Sarge and others en re to private security.I was a sworn officer and Deputy Sheriff for twenty seven years and counting my time on the job I worked as private security for some nine years.I have now been in private security for over twelve years sice I retired.Therefore some twenty one years in private security.I cannot recall anybody ever refer to me as rent-a-cop.

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ssu459. Rent a cop was a common saying years ago however, I haven't heard it for a spell. I think private security gets a bad shake however, also believe some of them bring it on themselves. I have ran into some security guards that refer to themselves as "Private Police Officers"

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Scjohnk says ...



Racn88 says ...


 half of my week is armed patrol. So my authority differs a little than that of a stationary security officer. 


Having a weapon does not increase your authority. It does however, increase your responsibility and liability.



You are correct. That is what I was attempting to say. However, being that it is not in the city in which I live. In areas I am not familiar with. With no one around that i know and no radio to call for help. Just my cell phone,if I have time to get to it,which is doubtfull. And only the public to depend on to call police. I tend to be in a different mind set. Since I pretty much have to save my own behind !!  If you can see where I'm coming from here.

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Oh I get called a lot of derogatory things in the line of work. When you are the one charged with telling people they can't do what they want you get seriously growled at sometimes.

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yep, always the bad guy.

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uncledennis1 says ...



ssu459. Rent a cop was a common saying years ago however, I haven't heard it for a spell. I think private security gets a bad shake however, also believe some of them bring it on themselves. I have ran into some security guards that refer to themselves as "Private Police Officers"



See, that's just stupid.  Security personnel ain't LE - no way, no how.  Any SG that calls him/herself that is looking for trouble.

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True, security officers (I hate the term guard, those are the absolute low end untrained ones that cause more harm than good) are not private police officers. Private police do exist however, all over the world. Here in the city I live in we have 2 groups (soon to be only one thanks to City interference in the name of revenue).