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I'm looking for some insight into the best 40 cal. ammo to use. On duty, for home defense, and for the range. I'm currently using 180 grain FMJ. Any advise is welcome.

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I would axe your agency firearms instructor. You may receive lots of different opinions on this site. Check and see if you have a department policy.

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Nop, no policy. It's pretty much whatever we are comfortable with. I qualified with 180 grain and that's all I've really shot. And since weather is getting nice, time to hit the range. But was wondering if I should be using a jhp for on duty and home? Just curious what everyones opnion is on this. I know there will be several different opnions.

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180 grain FMJ is fine for the range and I wold ask your coworkers what they carry.  The last time I carried a 40 (Glock 22) I was issued Federal 180 grain hydroshock jacketed hollow point, but did not get to pick, this was dept. issue.  Switched to a 45 ACP caliber over 4 years ago.

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I wouldn't go with a FMJ anymore. Too many great holy-hollow points that are more effective.


FMJ for the range maybe.


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I can't believe that your department wouldn't have its own ammo to issue....at least for duty. Are you working as a sworn officer, or is it something else?


With a 40, you should use hollow points for duty and personal protection. They have more stopping power than the fmj. You also I agree with everybody else, full metal jackets were meant for the range. We use reloads for the range, as they are much cheaper.

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Are you a police officer?

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I'm not a LEO. Armed Security.

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At least not yet. I am considering becoming a police officer. I've been doing security for awhile,but have just gone armed in the last year. So I'm still learning a thing or two about ammo.

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I guess if I would have clicked on your profile I would have seen what was written on the badge on your avatar. I still am surprised that your company doesn't have some sort of policy in place for what ammo to use. It looks like the fast track to a law suit.

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I guess if I would have clicked on your profile I would have seen what was written on the badge on your avatar. I still am surprised that your company doesn't have some sort of policy in place for what ammo to use. It looks like the fast track to a law suit.



Scary for sure....

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schultzy04 says ...



I guess if I would have clicked on your profile I would have seen what was written on the badge on your avatar. I still am surprised that your company doesn't have some sort of policy in place for what ammo to use. It looks like the fast track to a law suit.



Who knows about the law suit, I'm not that informed on how different ammo can create a law suit. However the printing on the badge is a little small, and hard to read hu??  haha. But so far I guess I'm leaning towards the federal hydra shock jhp. I did a little price checking in my area and they seem to be the most reasonably priced. Any info on what grain would be best for this?? 180, 165?

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Generally, within a caliber, a lighter faster bullet will preform better that a slower heavier one, the lighter faster bullet will usually have more kinetic energy.

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schultzy04 says ...



I guess if I would have clicked on your profile I would have seen what was written on the badge on your avatar. I still am surprised that your company doesn't have some sort of policy in place for what ammo to use. It looks like the fast track to a law suit.



Who knows about the law suit, I'm not that informed on how different ammo can create a law suit. However the printing on the badge is a little small, and hard to read hu??  haha. But so far I guess I'm leaning towards the federal hydra shock jhp. I did a little price checking in my area and they seem to be the most reasonably priced. Any info on what grain would be best for this?? 180, 165?



The first time you have to use your weapon, you'll be on the receiving end of a lawyer trying to make some money. Without a policy in place, YOU are going to have to justify everything that you did leading up to the shoot. Lawyers will go after everything, use of force policy, weapon qualification, ammunition used, whether you followed your company's policy. If there are policies regarding each of these areas, all you have to say is, "I followed company policy". Then you are in the clear.

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schultzy04 says ...



Racn88 says ...



schultzy04 says ...



I guess if I would have clicked on your profile I would have seen what was written on the badge on your avatar. I still am surprised that your company doesn't have some sort of policy in place for what ammo to use. It looks like the fast track to a law suit.



Who knows about the law suit, I'm not that informed on how different ammo can create a law suit. However the printing on the badge is a little small, and hard to read hu??  haha. But so far I guess I'm leaning towards the federal hydra shock jhp. I did a little price checking in my area and they seem to be the most reasonably priced. Any info on what grain would be best for this?? 180, 165?



The first time you have to use your weapon, you'll be on the receiving end of a lawyer trying to make some money. Without a policy in place, YOU are going to have to justify everything that you did leading up to the shoot. Lawyers will go after everything, use of force policy, weapon qualification, ammunition used, whether you followed your company's policy. If there are policies regarding each of these areas, all you have to say is, "I followed company policy". Then you are in the clear.



NO doubt about that. I believe that 110%. You see it in the news almost every day.And I'm fully aware that if you have to use your weapon, that it better have been a matter of life and death; because everyone is gonna want to put my head on the chopping block !!

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If I were you I would be looking for another job.  Any security company that has armed officers should provide the weapon and the ammo.  You SHOULD also be REQUIRED to qualify with the weapon, whether issued or not, and have written policy and procedures to follow.  Like schultzy04 said any shooting is likely to result in a law suit.  I would add that if your company fails to provide you the tools and traing for the job, the company is either fly by night or planning to sell you down the road as a "rogue" officer should the stuff hit the fan.

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I would suggest you contact the local police and/or sheriff's depts and see if you can find one that carries 40 caliber and use what they use.  Then if you ever ended up in court you could say, "I carry brand 40 ammo, the same as the local Police dept. issues.", rather than "I carry brand 40 ammo, which some guy on the internet recommeded."  Even better see if that department runs a qualification for security officers, some police deparments do that, though, in my exdperience, most don't.

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FYI..I am OPOTA certified with my firearm !! Paid for it myself. Along with all my gear. This is the second company I've worked for. But both require you to buy your own equipment. Even though the company is a small company. It is well recognized by several of the local police and sherriffs depts, as well as the mayer. And as far as qualifying, we are required to keep all certs current. At our own cost, if we wish to continue to work armed posts; and carry equipment. And ps..(mmmm) you do remember how hard jobs are to find these days don't you??


As far as company policy goes, they must just figure to go by the ccw laws. But I think this is a issue I might take up with managment. It does seem to me that it should be addressed.

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Over the years I have peroused all  the test data I could find. My conclusion is Federal HST 165gr. It is what I use in my G22.


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We are issued our ammunition and our replacement ammunition (once a year) from the Sheriff's Department with whom we train and qualify with every trimester.  For my .40 cal Sig 226, I receive Winchester Ranger Law Enforcement Ammunition 180 grain T-series.

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So it sounds like it verys depending on what a particular department likes. Ok, I can see that. Well, thank you everyone for all of your input. I've learned alot and will keep watching this conversation for a little while longer. Just in case someone wants to add something.

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 my department is required to carry winchester ranger sxt 165 grain

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privatepoliceagent. Your screen name and comment is misleading. Are you a licensed/certified police officer or a security guard? If in security you work for a company and not a department.

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 yes im a private police agent and ur rite its a company but. we are certified peace officers, we do border patrol goverment and state work and if you do your research you are title private police when you complete the accademy intill  hired with an agency. back to topic were required to carry ranger sxt 165 grain .40cal

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privatepoliceagent. You are new with a skeleton profile and I question the fact you are a certified police officer. I will research however, need the state or city or whomever certifies you. There is some major flags with your comments. Have you attended a police academy? This is required for certification. Now is your chance to come clean.

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WOW. . . . .what 2 hours and outta here!  Uncle Dennis, are you working on the record for these kind of people???? 


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I can spot an imposter from miles away. Another notch on my belt. After my first question he wrote me and told me he did not know how to respond on the forum. I love it.

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I guess I'm a bit baffled by people that dig up these old threads and post something in them like they are answering the original posters question.  After all, 11 months is a long time to wait for an answer to that question that was burning in your mind.  Then again, having never actually worked for a smaller department, we had to use the equipment that was given to us by the department. . . .whether we liked it or not.  I do know that some smaller departments require their officers to purchase their own equipment because the department is so amall, they don't have the funds to make that purchase.  However, from my understanding the department gives the officer a list of accepted equipment.  If it is on the list, you can carry it. . . otherwise, you're outta luck.


With all of that said (Whew), I know there are people out there that know some of the better combinations of guns/ammo for certain types of uses.  Unfortunately, there are also a LOT of people out there that THINK they know what is best for certain types of uses (these are the scarry ones).  I find it amusing that this type of topic (best cannon to carry, best armor piercing ammo, best welding capable pepper spray there is out there) comes up.  Seems to me that if a department was clueless as to what to use (in any of those areas of equipment) that they would find their most educated officer (in that area of expertise) for their insight and then go to some of the larger departments around the nation (if need be) for their recommendations. . . . .with the reasons why.  After getting a good handle on the research, I would think they would go to the top producers of said equipment to get their specifications and THEN. . . . .after all of the research, find out who offers the best equipment that fits their needs for the best price.


Almost makes one believe that someone posting in a thread of this nature. . . . .looking for "information", is attempting to either take a short cut through the tulips of research for their department OR provide a show for their "peers". . . .attempting to show others how important they think they are.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

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I no longer need info on this topic, Thank you, to all who gave their input.

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Racn88 says ...



I no longer need info on this topic, Thank you, to all who gave their input.



So what ammo did you end up choosing?

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