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Posted over 2 years ago

 

Greetings all!


I'm hoping you can help me, help a great friend.  I'll try to be concise, but it's an odd situation.


2 doors down lives a woman who has become a really good friend. I'll call her Bella.  She bought her house last May.  Her 25 yo son moved with her.  In between us is a couple who have...issues.  He's about 30, doesn't have steady work & sits in his driveway in the evenings & smokes pot...just outside Bella's bedroom window.  She works, is about 12 years older than hubby. She has 3 kids, different guys.  I'll call her Jane.


Jane bacame friends with Bella first, then Bella & I started hanging out.  We have much more in common than Jane has with either of us.  She can't do anything without bringing the kids & dog along. She was obviously a little ticked off when Bella & I became friends


Bella's son had told her that on more than one occasion Jane had put the moves on him.  He was not interested.  She didn't like this either.


Next thing you know, (last october) she made a police report that Bella's son had broken into her house and had stolen $20 from an envelope that her husband had pulled out of the cupboard & showed him. (she took the word of a neighbor kid who is a total follower.  He will do or say whatever anyone asks...or pays!  She has hated that family for as long as I've been here...5 years).  They took fingerprints from inside the house & found her son's prints.  But he had just been there 2 days before. 


On Christmas, Bella's son left with her mom & got out of the situation.  Prior to this he had gone to the local Police Dept & answered any questions they had.


2 weekends ago the Police had been by looking for him.  Bella said he hasn't been there since Christmas.  She let them in that one time, to look. They had paperwork that they did not let her see & made no mention of a warrant.  She had nothing to hide. Last weekend the Police came by her house looking for him again.  They said he missed a court date.  She knew absolutely nothing about a court date & he's 25 so they did not tell her.  I interrupted just once & asked, that even though it may not be my business, do they have a warrant for his arrest or what?  He said no, they just want to serve him papers to set a court date.


So...what does this sound like to you all?  If he shows up at the police station, do you think they will keep him?  When I asked if they had an arrest warrant, do the have to be honest, or can they lie & say no?


Seriously, I'd put my reputation on the line for him.  He's a good kid.  He's been collecting unemployment & I had even paid him $40 for mowing my lawn a couple days before this happened.  I think that her dead beat husband took $20 from that envelope & tried to pin it on Bellas son.  I think he knew his wife had the hots for him & wanted him in trouble.


I know this is real long, but I would appreciate any insight that any of you can offer into what Bella & her son should do.  They do want to address this, but he doesn't want to end up in jail for something he didn't do.


Thanks everyone!!!


 


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 I'll take a stab at this one. 


1. I never carried a copy of a warrant when I arrested anyone. When I went to arrest someone they would get a copy of it at the jail.


2. Even if there is a warrant for him and the officer told a white lie (it's acceptable for the police to lie to her but it's illegal for her to lie to the police), he needs to take care of it. He can make arrangements with a bail bondsman before going to the PD. He can hire an attorney after he bonds out.


Hope that answers your questions.

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Yeah, he really does want to address this, but he's just afraid. 


Any idea what his bond might be? (ballpark?)  He's had no other trouble except a dui when he was 21. 

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How could we guess how much his bond is. Call the warrant division or whomever and axe. A police officer does not have to posses the warrant only have knowledge. Any way in my state.

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

Bond is set by the judge with jurisdiction. Some have a set bond amount and others change the amounts depending on the circumstances of the crime. There isn't anything to be afraid of unless you avoid it and are located and arrested at the most embarrassing situation or on your way to work when you're pulled over for a taillight out. Tell him to avoid that pain in the rear and go talk to them.


It's even possible they were going to ask him about something completely unrelated. He could owe money to someone and he was going to be served papers, that would be a civil matter with a court date. That needs to be taken care of too.


Court isn't anything to be scared of, the judge puts their pants on one leg at a time too.

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This whole scenario smells, however, in the interest of being helpful.


A. We don't know where you are so we can't know your bond schedule.


B. Too bad if he's scared, if he doesn't take care of it he will continue to be scared and looking over his shoulder. He will get stopped one day and then he can't take care of this on his own terms.

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1. The police are not obligated to tell a third party if a warrant exists.


2. If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to worry about.


3. Hiding from this will only make him "appear" guilty and appearances carry weight. He should get out in front of this and stand up for himself. 


4. If he is the type of person you say he is and does not have any type of past (bad history) then he should have no problem defending himself against a false allegation. 


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Theft of 20 dollars, and he's afraid to straighten things out with the police? Even if he was guilty of it, I wouldn't imagine it would be that big of a deal. There has to be something else going on with this situation that either you aren't telling or you don't know. Do put so much faith and trust in people that you don't know very well. It's one sure way to get burned.


If he didn't do it, then he should be fine, as he would have a case presented that finds without a reasonable doubt that he took the money. If he did take it, well that might be why he's afraid of the police and is missing his court dates.

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Thanks to all who replied...


Firsty, I only asked about the bond to maybe give my neighbor a heads-up on what this may cost her.


She's bringing him home with her after work & going right to the police station.  I was just trying to get some insight into what might happen.


He wasn't "hiding" or anything, he just used to live near his grandmother & that's where all his friends are.  The police had not been back to his moms house for over 3 months so he had no idea that they were looking for him until they came there a couple weekends ago & they would not tell her anything.  Why, or was he in troubel. Apparently that was when the court date was, but they didn't let her or him know. And as for the amout, first the neighbor said $20.  When her son called the Police about coming down, they said it was $100, then when the Police came to her house a couple weekends ago, they said it was $90!


There is more to the story & yes it IS fishy.  The evening before the alleged break in, the husband kept at Bella's son to come over & watch football.  He doesn't watch sports & wasn't really into it, but he kept at him, so he came over.  While he was there was when the hubby was waving the envelope full of cash from some softball thing for their daughter...talking about how much money he was going to make because he overcharged the parents.  Shortly after, Bella's son left.


Next day was the break in & Jane told us that she asked the neighbor kid..."did you see Bella's son coming from our house" & he said yeah.  I think it was a set up & I think she gave the kid a $5 to say so.  He'd do anything for money & nothing for free, that I do know for a fact. They call him "Head", cuz he's kind of slow.  Cruel, yes, but it is what it is.


It's just too odd that they would point the finger at someone they supposedly considered a friend.


**Little addition...as I was finishing this, across the strret where "head" lives, the Police were just there because of some big fight with the kids & relatives & everyone screaming & carrying on....this is what my Summer months consist of.  Your basic trash....

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schultzy04 says ...



Theft of 20 dollars, and he's afraid to straighten things out with the police? Even if he was guilty of it, I wouldn't imagine it would be that big of a deal. There has to be something else going on with this situation that either you aren't telling or you don't know. Do put so much faith and trust in people that you don't know very well. It's one sure way to get burned.


If he didn't do it, then he should be fine, as he would have a case presented that finds without a reasonable doubt that he took the money. If he did take it, well that might be why he's afraid of the police and is missing his court dates.



Well I thought the same at first, a misdemeanor petit theft....pfffftttttttt....but after my second look, if I understand correctly, I think he is actually looking at a felony burglary charge. Did I read that right?

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

 This may be a dumb question but if he is 25 why would it cost HER anything? 

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 Lulu, I didn't look at it right the first time either. So, yeah, it does look like burglary. Also, what is weird....if he had a court date, he would have had notification from the court. Courts don't set appearances without scheduling them first. Also, why would he have a court date if he wasn't charged with anything? He should know why he has to go to court and what they are alleging that he did. My best advice would be to get a lawyer. If he is on unemployment, it is likely that the judge will order a public defender anyway. 


I think they are keeping you out of loop a little bit in an attempt to save face and keep your friendship. If I were you, I'd let the mom and son do the worrying for this case and do what you can to keep yourself out of it. When they find a resolution through court, you'll know a bit more of what really happened. 

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

I think that this topic is better asked in attorneylink or lawyerlink than it is here on policelink.