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Maybe someone here specializes in this and can give me some advice two days ago I was at my future residence doing yard work and my neighbors pitbull had broken the chain and was aggressivly charging at me, I got in my car and left the premises they have two addictional pits as well. later I returned to see the wife sitting at the bus stop and asked if she had chained up her dog and I told her that she charged at me  earlier and I was concerned about her aggression b/c I have a small child and asked if they could please keep her maintained her reply was as follows:


" oh Roxie is good with kids she only bites adults"..... meanwhile cujo is in the backseat biting the glass to catch me. I was just dumfounded by her reply, 1/3 of their very poorly fenced in yard is missing fencing...I work late  hours and I'm concerned  the dog will be loose and it will be dark and I will get mauled the house is less then 50 yards away  not to mention the safety of my son. I'm trying not to be the nasty neighbor so I thought I would seek help here first as far as what my options are if any before I called animal control and then it creates animosity...sorry for the book...I actually thought about getting a pistol and if it crosses the border then... but I don't want to do anything to get in trouble or break laws either. The sad thing is it's not the dog's fault it's the lack of intelligence of the owner. any help is appreciated I live in Putnam County Fla also


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Many communities have banned the breed. Check your local ordinance. Local library or PD. The sad part is the dog is generally smarter than the owner.

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 Although a gun would seem like a good idea there is a lot to think about especially in a residental area.  Any dog that is tied up tend to be more aggressive.  Maybe make sure you have a big drum stick with you or maybe get some big dog buscuits and keep them on hand if needed. I have had rottweilers for 25 years and when you have a dog that is considered aggressive you really need to be careful with them.  Never an easy situation to be in.   


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Did you report this incident to the local PD or Animal Control Officer?  You should get any such incident documented immediately.  It is obvious that the owner is not taking responsibility for the actions of her animals.  Pitbulls, or any dog, can be dangerous if not raised or trained properly.  Her response that her "Roxie" only bites adults is preposterous at best.  Any dog that will attack an adult human has the great potential to do the same to children.  Whay take such a risk.


You might also contact your local Building Code Enforcement Officer about her lack of appropriate fencing.  Dogs like "Roxie" must be contained so that they do not pose a danger to others.  Her aggressiveness may be a matter of being territorial but when her "territory" includes your yard you become a potential target for her teeth.  Don't waste time trying to rationalize with the woman, bring in outside authorities to help you protect yourself and your children.


I know that there will be legions of dog lovers lining up in defense of the dog, but you have more important things to worry about, YOUR FAMILY!


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Did you report this incident to the local PD or Animal Control Officer?  You should get any such incident documented immediately.  It is obvious that the owner is not taking responsibility for the actions of her animals.  Pitbulls, or any dog, can be dangerous if not raised or trained properly.  Her response that her "Roxie" only bites adults is preposterous at best.  Any dog that will attack an adult human has the great potential to do the same to children.  Whay take such a risk.


You might also contact your local Building Code Enforcement Officer about her lack of appropriate fencing.  Dogs like "Roxie" must be contained so that they do not pose a danger to others.  Her aggressiveness may be a matter of being territorial but when her "territory" includes your yard you become a potential target for her teeth.  Don't waste time trying to rationalize with the woman, bring in outside authorities to help you protect yourself and your children.


I know that there will be legions of dog lovers lining up in defense of the dog, but you have more important things to worry about, YOUR FAMILY!



Thank you for the tidbit about the building code officer and at lady I don't think Roxie would show any interest in the biscuit but my leg would be like bacon on a plate Ive actually been nipped by an American pit once before  so I'm already terrified of them The whole time I was chatting with the owner her gnashing teeth was hitting the class of the van repeatedly... S/P the husband said he's getting rid of them but I m not holding my breath as the wife calls all the shots and well let's face it she's not the brightest crayon in the box..I think it's dumb to have that kind of animal period, I also have a dog I have a female Belgium shepphard she's territorial but never aggressive so I'm also concerned for her safety as well.


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Fate, you may have to be the one building a fence ! Your going to want a good one for your dog and your child to play safely !!!! Mailmen carry pepper spray for a reason, get yourself some !!!!


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Call the cops, and get some immediate action.


Get some training in the use of OC spray. It has been effective with EVERY dog I have ever encountered.


Lastly, have your camera nearby and take pictures.


Whatever you do, however, do NOT put yourself in danger.


If that happened to me, I already have strategically placed OC for my immediate grabbing. I also would have no trouble shooting an aggressive dog prowling around in my yard.


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 OC doesn't usually affect dogs. OC was created for humans. Canines have different mucus membranes that human grade OC wont work on for the most part. We've actually trained with our police dogs in a room full of OC. They still used their noses to find the decoy. I think the mere fact that a wet stream is shot into a dogs eyes and nose is what makes people think OC is good for dogs. 


 The aggression the dog displayed while in the vehicle is called territorial aggression.  It doesn't neccessarily mean the dog will bite once free of its' confines. As far as the charging dog...break eye contact, turn sideways to it, do not make any sudden moves, then pull out your piece and cancel its' contract if you are still in fear of being maimed.


 I sit on our county dangerous dog review board. We don't have a breed ban here. I love Pitbulls and have worked with dozens on the side who were reportedly "Aggressive".  Never been bit by one. The alleged aggressive behavior is an issue born from poor pack structure and discipline within the home. I know that doesn't make you feel any better so you have to do what you have to do.  Get video and pics. Call AC if the dog is on your property. If you can trap him on your property call AC to take him away. Chances are the owners won't get the dog out of the pound.

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Must be a Left Coast thing.


I have used OC dogs many times with 100% success.


Really! Generally used something around 1 million Scoville units.


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Must be a Left Coast thing.


I have used OC dogs many times with 100% success.


Really! Generally used something around 1 million Scoville units.



Same here. The only reason I carry OC anymore is for the dogs.

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 First report it to the local police and animal control. Usually their is a law that all dogs must be on a leash when they are out. Get a report of this incident so the next time something was to happen the dogs will be taken care of. And have it written down that the owner declined to do anything and wouldn't do anything to help the situation. If it was me the dog would've been dead. I cannot stand dog owners that take their animals and make them mean. 


I had call not to long go about something like this. Unfortunately the dog got lose and ended up in the neighbors house bitting the neighbor in the thigh. My partner who works with the K9's told me that k9's don't make that big of a mark when they bite. So that says something for pit bulls. You have to protect you and your kids, you do whatever you have to do to protect them and yourself. If you don't feel comfortable with a weapon, get Sabre Red OC spray. That stuff will take them down. Be careful.


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I also only use OC for dogs. I've had more humans fight through OC than dogs. There is also a device we use at our department called a "Dazer". It emits a very high pitched noise that scares dogs. I've had dogs being aggressive with me, and I push the button. The dog high-tails it the opposite direction. It is very discreet, so nobody know that you're using it.


One concern I have is you are willing to buy a gun and shoot the dog, but you are hesitant to call animal control. I think calling animal control would cause much less friction between you and your neighbor. Our city code calls for 3 instances of nuisance animal before the animal is taken away. If there is a severe dog bite, the dog is immediately put down. Do your neighbors a favor and give them a wake up call.

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If I were just plain Joe or Jane citizen and I were faced with this very scenario, (after getting to a place of safety) I would have called the police immediately in reference to an aggressive dog that had just attacked you and was attacking other pedestrians, described the pit, size / color and that it broke free from it's owners yard where it had been chained.  After getting off of the phone with the police department, I would make a secondary call to the local animal control and report same.  Pepper spray is a good option as it should at the very least, buy you enough time to get to a place of safety, but it has limitations that everyone should be aware of.  Keep in mind that pepper spray does you no good if it is buried in the bottomless pit that is the purse of most women.  For it to do any good vs a human or a dog, you must be able to access it quickly and with enough calm under the conditions at hand to be accurate and effective.  You must also be aware that the direction that the wind is blowing might not only decrease the accuracy but may also cause said pepper spray to blow back into your own face.  Unfortunately, there may not be a way around the "nasty neighbor" title that you might get saddled with by reporting the incident.  That said, as the saying goes, "no victim-no crime."  We in LE circles don't know about it if it is never reported.


In my city, aggressive dogs are taken very seriously.  I came home one night and was walking from my POV to my front door when I heard my neighbor across the street yell to get my attention.  Another neighbor's pit got loose and was running between three of us that by circumstance, happened to be up at the un-Godly hour of 0200.  The neighbor told me that earlier in the day, same pit escaped the poorly contained back yard and attacked and bit his wife in the leg as she took out the trash.  They called animal control originally but were turned away because they had closed for the day.  For what-ever reason, they didn't call the police.  At my behest, the neighbor called and the local PD responded.  Because of the immediate danger that the dog posed, the PD forced animal control to respond.  The male half owner was out of town on a weekend fishing trip.  The female half owner was pregnant and asleep in the rear of the house and took several minutes to finally wake up and answer the door despite the loud barking and the police knocking at the door.  Once up and advised of the incident, the female half allowed animal control to take the dog.  They never got the dog back.


Another neighbor across the street from me has a rottweiler that had the tendency to get out of the driveway gate.  One night I had an errand to run.  As I left the house, I heard the dog barking and thought to myself how much I hated that dog because of the constant noise.  I got about a block away and realized that I had left my wallet with flat-badge and department ID at the house (not a good thing if something happened and I had my gun but no ID).  I pulled into the driveway, got out of the car and heard same dog barking.  I was about ready to yell something at the dog when I turned to see that it was charging at me.  I immediately drew my weapon believing that I was going to have to shoot and kill it right on the spot.  Fortunately for the dog, it stopped right at the rear fender well of my POV, barked, backed up and retreated back across the street.  The next time I saw the owner, I informed him just how close he came to losing his dog that night.  The gate was repaired soon thereafter.

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I also only use OC for dogs. I've had more humans fight through OC than dogs. There is also a device we use at our department called a "Dazer". It emits a very high pitched noise that scares dogs. I've had dogs being aggressive with me, and I push the button. The dog high-tails it the opposite direction. It is very discreet, so nobody know that you're using it.


One concern I have is you are willing to buy a gun and shoot the dog, but you are hesitant to call animal control. I think calling animal control would cause much less friction between you and your neighbor. Our city code calls for 3 instances of nuisance animal before the animal is taken away. If there is a severe dog bite, the dog is immediately put down. Do your neighbors a favor and give them a wake up call.



The only reason why I even suggested getting a pistol which I want to get one anyways living by myself.. but that's a different story is because I live 30 minutes from animal control and by the time they reached us my kid would be attacked plus they kind of blow off these situations I've dealt with them before.The county I live in sucks as far as assistance with this and then some ..as far as being territorial aggressive the same dog that charged me in my yard was also the same dog in the van biting the glass so I think the dog is just mean and the owner willingly admitted she would bite adults...thanks for all the advice


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haha schultzy04 I love this!  Put it in bold!  Love the Dazer too!  


Heck yeah I'd call! They say the quickest way to get killed in Oklahoma is to kill a man's dog.  Not that I would have any problem blowing one to smithereens if it came bounding into my yard to attack me or my family member!


You got plenty of good advice from the specialists, Fate30.  Looks like it's up to you now! 


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I also only use OC for dogs. I've had more humans fight through OC than dogs. There is also a device we use at our department called a "Dazer". It emits a very high pitched noise that scares dogs. I've had dogs being aggressive with me, and I push the button. The dog high-tails it the opposite direction. It is very discreet, so nobody know that you're using it.


One concern I have is you are willing to buy a gun and shoot the dog, but you are hesitant to call animal control. I think calling animal control would cause much less friction between you and your neighbor. Our city code calls for 3 instances of nuisance animal before the animal is taken away. If there is a severe dog bite, the dog is immediately put down. Do your neighbors a favor and give them a wake up call.


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I warned them to keep the dog shut up  and kind of  got blowed off , not really hesistant to call animal control but in my area I just know they won't really do anything but warn them and then after me or my kid is bitten they will take the dog then, warning the owner will do no good this was made obvious to me by the first confrontation...and IMO three aggressive encounters before the animal is removed is way too many when you have a small child, I was just wondering if the dog crosses my property becomes aggressive and I dropped it dead would I be breaking a law ...she's been warned to keep her shut up so to me that's only fair esp protecting me and my kid hope that makes sense :) I have gotten good advise and I am going to be putting up a fence but with a dog that aggressive there is no stopping them really.


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I lived not far from there (Alachua County, actually) for a few years and there was a problem with roaming dogs. In one case the owner had been the subject of multiple complaints and had been in court regarding his dogs before and was ordered by the court to buy kennels, but he just left the kennels open. Another member of my household had to go to court to testify that the dogs had been on our property killing chickens. Ultimately the owner was fined and the dogs confiscated (and likely euthanized--sad, but necessary--the dogs were beyond 'socialization' strategies). So, yes--it is important to call the county and follow up and help them fix this.




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If you would have called the local cop shop you would have received the same response as you did on this forum. Complaints take time as they are possibly dealing with numerous matters at the same time. Of course your neighbors blew it off. That is what people do that are not responsible. Shultz makes a good point on his comment you want to purchase a gun however, hesitant to call the authories. Very good point.

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 Also, with only one complaint, animial control can't do anything about it. If you call continually, it will show a pattern of behavior instead of one solitary instance. Calling and getting them to come over three times to give a warning sounds much better than being mad after calling once and getting bit.


You are not going to get anybody on this site to tell you it's ok to shoot an animal, person, alien...whatever. There are too many factors involved in the shooting of a weapon for us to give you a black and white answer. More than likely, if you try shooting a dog that is charging you, you will miss. Then you'll be accountable for where your bullet goes. How would you feel if it struck something or something that happened to be behind the dog? 


You should try the Dazer. You don't have to aim it. It is discreet. It works. The dog will run away. Also, keep calling animal control. They need  several documented cases before they can take action. 

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I think I would video record every event that I could when the dogs have escaped and are running loose.  If able to do so, I would record the conditions of the property that is supposed to be able to contain them.  Video makes great evidence.  The fact that they are date and time stamped makes it pretty easy to prove when the event is occurring.  I would also keep a ledger and document everything in writing.  Your video evidence and written ledger makes great evidence in both criminal court as well as civil court in the event that injury or death should occur.


I would recommend two things in your contacting the authorities in your area as I have stated earlier.  Don't just call Animal Control.  Call the police or sheriff's department also.  Tell them that the situation is occurring right now and that there is an immediate need for them to respond.  Tell them that you are willing to sign a complaint and not just calling as a matter of information.  With both Animal control and your local law enforcement, if you are not getting an adequate response by simply calling dispatch, contact the watch commander or appropriate supervisor for both.  If necessary, copy your video evidence onto a disk and make an appointment to visit and speak with said watch commander.  If necessary, make a complaint with both agencies that you are not getting the response from them to help resolve the issues and concerns related to you, your neighbor and their dog(s).  Watch commanders are in a position to make things happen and do not like to receive complaints that a complaint isn't being taken seriously.

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 Also, with only one complaint, animial control can't do anything about it. If you call continually, it will show a pattern of behavior instead of one solitary instance. Calling and getting them to come over three times to give a warning sounds much better than being mad after calling once and getting bit.


You are not going to get anybody on this site to tell you it's ok to shoot an animal, person, alien...whatever. There are too many factors involved in the shooting of a weapon for us to give you a black and white answer. More than likely, if you try shooting a dog that is charging you, you will miss. Then you'll be accountable for where your bullet goes. How would you feel if it struck something or something that happened to be behind the dog? 


You should try the Dazer. You don't have to aim it. It is discreet. It works. The dog will run away. Also, keep calling animal control. They need  several documented cases before they can take action. 



So true schultzy.. we learned in my CCW class to be careful of the same thing if we were to ever have to aim and shoot at a person.. what if you miss and shoot someone else?  


The other thing I thought about, if a weapon must be used, it is important that the proper authorities have documentation on the complaints as to why you had to shoot the dog.  


I like the idea of taking video and camera pics as well.. good for evidence.


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This.  Asking permission to fire a weapon on an LE social website is...well...


GREAT answer schultzy!  You spell it out nice! 


Fate30, you can see, there is a uniform response here to call the authorities and report the problem.  So, as a supermom, you know what to do next.


Please let us know what happened when you followed the advice you sought at PL!


 


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 Also, with only one complaint, animial control can't do anything about it. If you call continually, it will show a pattern of behavior instead of one solitary instance. Calling and getting them to come over three times to give a warning sounds much better than being mad after calling once and getting bit.


You are not going to get anybody on this site to tell you it's ok to shoot an animal, person, alien...whatever. There are too many factors involved in the shooting of a weapon for us to give you a black and white answer. More than likely, if you try shooting a dog that is charging you, you will miss. Then you'll be accountable for where your bullet goes. How would you feel if it struck something or something that happened to be behind the dog? 


You should try the Dazer. You don't have to aim it. It is discreet. It works. The dog will run away. Also, keep calling animal control. They need  several documented cases before they can take action. 


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True your right I probably would miss and  still get bit  and I would feel bad if it hit something else good point  really not keen on hitting a dog either    ....if it was'nt so close to me and the fence in the shape it's in then I wouldnt be so concerned,  Thanks guy s for the great advice it's appreciated!! i will look into the dazer too sounds much safer then a gun :)


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And don't forget to let us know what your local authorities did once you filed a report, Fate30!  Good luck!


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And don't forget to let us know what your local authorities did once you filed a report, Fate30!  Good luck!




Thank you ! I'm hoping the hubby keeps his word and gets rid of them so this does'nt have to escalate to this but the wife is the one that calls the shots... hopefully they will resolve it themselves . I like the video taping idea too might invest in a deer camera and I can take pictures of the fencing if need be. Its just scary to get home at 8pm and a mean dog could be loose . if they don't get rid of them I will invest in the dazer like suggested and just keep it handy maybe buy two one for my car ( just in case) and one for indoors plus the fencing will help too thank you.


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And don't forget to let us know what your local authorities did once you filed a report, Fate30!  Good luck!




 I too am curious to hear what the response is from your local LE/ACO.

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It looks like the animal issue here has been fully addressed; however, I noticed something I think has become a major social issue in recent years. It seems the good guys are always concerned about being viewed as the bad guys, and in the process giving the real bad guys leeway to do their dirty business. There are WAY to many people out there willing to do you and yours very serious harm. You have to pull back and see the big picture. YOU are worried about possible death or serious bodily harm to you or your child. THEY are faced with the threat of having a neighbor that holds them to the law. Which concern is more important? Besides, do you really need to be on 'friendly' terms with people that show that little concern for the safety of you and your child? That said, have you researched your new neighborhood? How many sex offenders live in the area? If one of those lived next door, would you be concerned about maintaining a friendly atmosphere? I'm not trying to piss you off, just make you think. The good people need to start protecting themselves to some degree. Don't give criminals a chance to victimize you, society needs you.


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 Very good advice, freezerburn.

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Word, Freezerburn!  


 


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It looks like the animal issue here has been fully addressed; however, I noticed something I think has become a major social issue in recent years. It seems the good guys are always concerned about being viewed as the bad guys, and in the process giving the real bad guys leeway to do their dirty business. There are WAY to many people out there willing to do you and yours very serious harm. You have to pull back and see the big picture. YOU are worried about possible death or serious bodily harm to you or your child. THEY are faced with the threat of having a neighbor that holds them to the law. Which concern is more important? Besides, do you really need to be on 'friendly' terms with people that show that little concern for the safety of you and your child? That said, have you researched your new neighborhood? How many sex offenders live in the area? If one of those lived next door, would you be concerned about maintaining a friendly atmosphere? I'm not trying to piss you off, just make you think. The good people need to start protecting themselves to some degree. Don't give criminals a chance to victimize you, society needs you.