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Will failing to pass my oral effect me the next time I re-apply?

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 Hello, I failed my oral twice last week and I have been very upset, however I can reapply 


in three months. Will going through this process hurt my chances of becoming a deputy 


sheriff? Thank you. 

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Ask the agency.

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I was hired after applying with the county here twice and interviewing once with them and interviewing with the city twice. It is rare that a person is hired after their first application and interview. The department you are applying for will take all things into consideration when selecting the person they are going to hire. I am now on the interview committee with my department, and I have seen applicants re-apply several times. It is impressive to me when they come back after fixing mistakes that they made the last time through. The ones that come back the same as last time are a disappointment.


If you know what you failed, work on it. If the department sees that you are willing to work on things and improve yourself, that will look good for you. If you come back just as you were last time, you'll get the same results. Don't get discouraged. People spend years trying to get into LE. It is difficult to get in. What you can do to improve your chances is to make yourself more marketable. Get a college degree, go into corrections, military, try and get on as a reserve, work hard at your current job----this will provide good references and will show your integrity and work ethic. Good luck

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 It is rare that a person is hired after their first application and interview.



 


 


I know that each person and situation is different but you bring up an interesting point schultzy......Im wondering how many people made it through the hiring process the first time. I am currently in the last phase for a department, I keep hearing how difficult it is to make it in the first time so I do not have my hopes up. However I did not shotgun I had one place in mind and I am praying every day I make it through the first time. Anyone make it into the first department they applied too?

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 I'm sure that there are a few that made it in after their first try. I applied for the county, didn't get an interview. I applied again, got an interview, but didn't get hired. I then applied for the city, didn't get hired, but got put in as a reserve officer. I applied again, got the job. I would say that I am more towards the quick end of the process as far as applying goes compared to others that try for years to get into LE.

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I have made it through the interview the PT test and the background check, next stop the poly.....however it looks like I may have to make a hard life choice before the hiring process is finished and Im wondering how big of a leap of faith I may have to take. I dont know where I stand on the list of eligibles so Im not feeling all that confident. Might have to put it on the back burner and continue my military career. Just sucks not knowing, I realy want this job. LOL 

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I have made it through the interview the PT test and the background check, next stop the poly.....however it looks like I may have to make a hard life choice before the hiring process is finished and Im wondering how big of a leap of faith I may have to take. I dont know where I stand on the list of eligibles so Im not feeling all that confident. Might have to put it on the back burner and continue my military career. Just sucks not knowing, I realy want this job. LOL 



 


Why? Is there something the polygraph will uncover? Your post seems to  be stating you will probably quit during the hiring process but before the polygraph. Any enlightenment?


""Life is a storm.. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes"
Alexander Dumas-The Count of Monte Christo

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No there is nothing "in the closet" (so to speak), the only doubt I have is the numbers, lots of people shooting for a very few jobs. Do I feel like I am the best candidate? Yes without a doubt, I scored very high on my written, received a 86 on my oral and passed the PT test. However Im not a young pup anymore and I am trying to keep it all in perspective. I joined the military to get experience and turn 21.. 22 years later I have an opportunity to do what I had planned in the very beginning. I have had an excellent military career, I was just promoted and if I take the promotion I must stay for two more years. If I turn it down I will retire. I am willing to turn down the promotion for this new job as it is what I always wanted. With the timing of the results It may come to the point where I have to make a decision without knowing if I was accepted to the department. You would have to concede that is a mighty big step to take. If I retire and I do not get picked up then I am just a retiree without a job. LOL

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CATMguy45 says ...



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No there is nothing "in the closet" (so to speak), the only doubt I have is the numbers, lots of people shooting for a very few jobs. Do I feel like I am the best candidate? Yes without a doubt, I scored very high on my written, received a 86 on my oral and passed the PT test. However Im not a young pup anymore and I am trying to keep it all in perspective. I joined the military to get experience and turn 21.. 22 years later I have an opportunity to do what I had planned in the very beginning. I have had an excellent military career, I was just promoted and if I take the promotion I must stay for two more years. If I turn it down I will retire. I am willing to turn down the promotion for this new job as it is what I always wanted. With the timing of the results It may come to the point where I have to make a decision without knowing if I was accepted to the department. You would have to concede that is a mighty big step to take. If I retire and I do not get picked up then I am just a retiree without a job. LOL



 


Very good. Always keep the attitude that you are the best. Have that confidence. Thank you for protecting and serving this  great country. I hope you find success in your future.


""Life is a storm.. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes"
Alexander Dumas-The Count of Monte Christo

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Never hurts to brush up on your oral work!!!!


Come on y'all know you were thinking it too!

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 Hello, I failed my oral twice last week and I have been very upset, however I can reapply 


in three months. Will going through this process hurt my chances of becoming a deputy 


sheriff? Thank you. 



I’m not sure how you failed your interviews & I’m not a LEO but I do have to deal with people who can’t come across nicely all the time. I have to deal with emergency situations a lot. In emergency situations you have to think fast, give the best answer to provide the proper information that will keep people safe & depending on the situation know when not to provide information. Something to consider is why you failed. You might want to ask the person who interviewed you for tips. While they decided your answers weren’t the best I doubt that they would turn their back on a person willing to learn and eager to please. When you’re asked a question always think to yourself, what is the answer they want to hear? It’s not easy being put on the spot but I’m sure LEO’s would agree that you don’t get time to prep for every situation. If you can’t word your responses in a good way to please someone during an interview, what makes you think the people you talk to on the streets will respond with a level head & kindness?

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Well tejas92 ,I'm not going to blow smoke up your rear end and tell you it's looking great for you.You already flunked the oral twice.I'm a bit baffled when yoiu say oral.We went through at least three orals as well as about a dozen other testing procedures when I came on the job.There was an oral with the Personell Director,an oral with a shrink and an oral with the Chief and Deputy chiefs.

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We all work in a very tight-knit community. If you do something here, they will hear about it "over there". Does it kill your career aspirations? Nah. DPalmer gave some good advice when she says to ask your interviewers questions post-interview. That being said, brush up on your local and state laws and answer the situations as you would if you were placed in that situation at that given time. Do NOT tell them what you think they want to hear. The last thing we need in this line of work is a bunch of "yes" men. There is not a single person on this forum who has not made a mistake at least once in their careers (except maybe TheSarge). Every experience is a learning experience no matter how it goes. If you fail well guess what? It's time to try again. Keep in mind it's not how many times you get knocked down but how many times you are willing to get back up again.


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I apologize, ajsdaddyCCSO is absolutely right! You should answer as you would if you were placed in that situation at that given time. The question "what is the answer they want to hear" only applies in certain lines of questioning & should only be used as a way to determine how NOT to answer...


(If the answer you think they want to hear isn't the same as the as you would if you were placed in that situation at that given time, then it's time to rethink how you would handle a situation.) Make since?


Thank you for the correction ajsdaddy

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Other than the panel members, you are the only other person in the room that would know why you either passed or failed an interview.  They might tell you why you failed and then they might not.  You have to do your own assessment in most, if not all cases.  If you are smart, your interviews should be a learning experience.......... PASS or FAIL.  Take note of what went right and where you didn't do so well.  Brush up on those areas so that you will be polished the next time.  PASS or FAIL........ Repeat.  One of my earliest interviews involved a scenario where I was supposed to "handle the call" so to speak.  They presented the scenario and with each answer I gave, the panel introduced a new twist, leading me down a path.  About half way into the scenario, I realized that I had not only placed myself on that path but had dug myself a very large hole.  I proceeded to look at the panel and said, "I screwed up, didn't I."  They both laughed and then they had a teaching moment and I, the learning moment.  I took note and did a better job when presented with a similar scenario on future interviews.


As a foot note:  I ALWAYS went to my interviews dressed in a suit.  I have seen people fail an interview based on the attire that they presented themselves in alone.  Take the time to have a cleaned and pressed suit with an ironed shirt and a tie........ AND NICE SHOES.  Get a shave and a haircut.  APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING!!!!!  HOW YOU SPEAK and otherwise present yourself verbally IS EVERYTHING!!!!!  If your command of the English language is lacking and you can not speak clearly as you tell the panel about you and answer their questions, you will likely fail.  That said......... I don't know the reason or reasons as to why you failed other interviews.  I was not there.  Keep in mind that you also may have done well and that others had done better.

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Other than the panel members, you are the only other person in the room that would know why you either passed or failed an interview.  They might tell you why you failed and then they might not.  You have to do your own assessment in most, if not all cases.  If you are smart, your interviews should be a learning experience.......... PASS or FAIL.  Take note of what went right and where you didn't do so well.  Brush up on those areas so that you will be polished the next time.  PASS or FAIL........ Repeat.  One of my earliest interviews involved a scenario where I was supposed to "handle the call" so to speak.  They presented the scenario and with each answer I gave, the panel introduced a new twist, leading me down a path.  About half way into the scenario, I realized that I had not only placed myself on that path but had dug myself a very large hole.  I proceeded to look at the panel and said, "I screwed up, didn't I."  They both laughed and then they had a teaching moment and I, the learning moment.  I took note and did a better job when presented with a similar scenario on future interviews.


As a foot note:  I ALWAYS went to my interviews dressed in a suit.  I have seen people fail an interview based on the attire that they presented themselves in alone.  Take the time to have a cleaned and pressed suit with an ironed shirt and a tie........ AND NICE SHOES.  Get a shave and a haircut.  APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING!!!!!  HOW YOU SPEAK and otherwise present yourself verbally IS EVERYTHING!!!!!  If your command of the English language is lacking and you can not speak clearly as you tell the panel about you and answer their questions, you will likely fail.  That said......... I don't know the reason or reasons as to why you failed other interviews.  I was not there.  Keep in mind that you also may have done well and that others had done better.



Best Advice for Any Interview!!!!

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I apologize, ajsdaddyCCSO is absolutely right! You should answer as you would if you were placed in that situation at that given time. The question "what is the answer they want to hear" only applies in certain lines of questioning & should only be used as a way to determine how NOT to answer...


(If the answer you think they want to hear isn't the same as the as you would if you were placed in that situation at that given time, then it's time to rethink how you would handle a situation.) Make since?


Thank you for the correction ajsdaddy



Dara, that was not meant as a correction, sorry. Here is an example.....I am a Deputy Sheriff. We deal with a lot of stupidity. I once applied at a hospital at their PD for a 2nd job. During the oral I was asked what I would do if someone spit in my face. Answering honestly I told them I would beat that person into compliance then arrest them. Well that answer wasn't acceptable. I could only answer with the way I knew how. Sure the PC answer would have been to shake that person's hand and say thank you may I have another but I ain't into PC. Assault on a LEO by bodily fluid is what it is and is dealt with harshly. Oh I didn't get the job by the way, oh well.


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ajsdaddyCCSO,


Maybe you didn't get the job because you didn't smile while beating them into oblivion lol j/k. I understand what you're saying about PC. These days, that's pretty much all they (meaning the top brass) worry about and how not to shell out $$$$$ for frivolous lawsuits (even when the inmates are in the wrongs). 


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Well tejas92 ,I'm not going to blow smoke up your rear end and tell you it's looking great for you.You already flunked the oral twice.I'm a bit baffled when yoiu say oral.We went through at least three orals as well as about a dozen other testing procedures when I came on the job.There was an oral with the Personell Director,an oral with a shrink and an oral with the Chief and Deputy chiefs.



It would appear that the O/P is talking about the initial oral board interview with the personnel director and officers from the department.  I guess for some, these interviews are or can be a real nightmare.  Out of the who knows how many oral interviews I have had with who knows how many departments in Southern California, I think I only failed two, maybe three of my oral interviews.  They never bothered me....... even if I failed.


The other half used to work for a local city in the HR department.  Her job was to collect the applications and send out notices for testing which included the written test, physical agility test and the oral interviews.  She, along with officers from the department would also sit on the oral interview panel.  Knowing that I was struggling at the time to get my foot in the door and get hired, she was amazed at how many applicants are or were completely unprepared for the interview and are or were dressed like slobs.  She used to tell me stories of some of the applicants in reference to how they answered the questions given by the panel and could not understand why I had such a difficult time getting hired.  I am curious as to why the O/P believes he has failed prior oral interviews.  I am curious as to the questions that were asked and how the O/P answered them.  I am not saying that the O/P actually did this but rather, I know of several applicants that have, therefore this might be a hint to the O/P............. If you answered "I watched a lot of COPS" when asked what you did to prepare yourself for a career in law enforcement......... You will have failed the oral interview.