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Im a IDOC officer we are considered a law enforcement agency does the hr 218 cover us

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Adam,  the answer is no. DOC officers are not considered sworn officers in Illinois.

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If you read the statuate you will find that corrections officers do not fall within the meaning of HR218. There is a amendment in process that would make the law pertain to others.

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 Well that sucks were good enough to be near felons every day but can't carry off duty. What does it mean to me sworn cause I'm confused I took an oath when I graduated and passed a illinois state firearms course

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Unfortunately, corrections officers do not currently fall under the same status of "Peace Officers" as do Police Officers, Sheriff's Deputies, State Police or Highway Patrol even though you too took an oath.  It is not a matter of being good enough to be around felons all day but not off duty.  Your ability to be able to carry "off duty" within the state of Illinois is a matter of department policy or state law and has nothing to do with HR218.  In California, to my knowledge, Corrections Officers from the Department of Corrections are allowed to carry off duty within the state.  As it pertains to HR218, they are not allowed to carry outside of California.

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skoolCop. Word. Switch over to law enforcement.

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This debate has been going on since HR218 was adopted. I am a Corrections Sergeant with a county Sheriff's Office, and I too took an oath...the same oath that our patrol deputies took. However, I understand that based on the statute that I do not fit into the category of a Peace Officer within the state. Is it fair...no, should there be something in place to fix this problem? YES! But until it is changes, I will follow my departments guidelines. The best place to seek answers to these questions is from your particular department. You can NEVER go wrong by knowing the policies of the place where you work!


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 Thanks for the input I would switch to be a LEO but the smaller departments won't pay for me to go to part time academy!

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 Thanks for the input I would switch to be a LEO but the smaller departments won't pay for me to go to part time academy!



Then the answer to your question lies with the decision that you make as to how difficult or easy the solution will be.  You can stay where you are and hope legislation comes down that makes DOC fall under the HR218 and that either state and or department policy makes a similar change with regards to your off duty carry options or you can bite the bullet (no pun intended) and put yourself through the part time academy at your expense and make the change happen for you.  Certainly, the latter should be a choice worth looking at.

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Unfortunately, corrections officers do not currently fall under the same status of "Peace Officers" as do Police Officers, Sheriff's Deputies, State Police or Highway Patrol even though you too took an oath.  It is not a matter of being good enough to be around felons all day but not off duty.  Your ability to be able to carry "off duty" within the state of Illinois is a matter of department policy or state law and has nothing to do with HR218.  In California, to my knowledge, Corrections Officers from the Department of Corrections are allowed to carry off duty within the state.  As it pertains to HR218, they are not allowed to carry outside of California.

In California, State Correctional Officers are peace officers as definded in the penal code and can carry under 218 becuse of the peace officer status.

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Unfortunately, corrections officers do not currently fall under the same status of "Peace Officers" as do Police Officers, Sheriff's Deputies, State Police or Highway Patrol even though you too took an oath.  It is not a matter of being good enough to be around felons all day but not off duty.  Your ability to be able to carry "off duty" within the state of Illinois is a matter of department policy or state law and has nothing to do with HR218.  In California, to my knowledge, Corrections Officers from the Department of Corrections are allowed to carry off duty within the state.  As it pertains to HR218, they are not allowed to carry outside of California.


In California, State Correctional Officers are peace officers as definded in the penal code and can carry under 218 becuse of the peace officer status.

I stand corrected....... Thanks for the info.

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 Have to see how much PT academy is I thought about doing this 

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 Have to see how much PT academy is I thought about doing this 



You might be eligible for a student loan to help offset the cost(s).

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As far as off duty carry is concerned.  Can you get a concealed carry permit?  In my state it is just a matter of paying the fee and passing the backgound check.  In West Virginia your corrections firearms training would be sufficient to meet the training requirement.  Just something else to consider. 

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 No unfortunate I live in the communist state of illinois

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adam82. Carrying concealed is not what is cracked up to be. It is a hugh responsibility. There is also the expense of purchasing clothing that will conceal  the weapon. I wouldn't dwell on it as at times it is a pain.

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adam82. Carrying concealed is not what is cracked up to be. It is a hugh responsibility. There is also the expense of purchasing clothing that will conceal  the weapon. I wouldn't dwell on it as at times it is a pain.



I agree uncleD...I was actually going to take this a step further by saying that it simply sounds to me like you just want to be able to carry off duty. That actually scares me...let me explain; Anyone who is appears to be this "GUNG HO" about carrying off duty is a) looking to play "Cops-n-Robbers" or "Cowboys-n-Indians" or whatever else you want to call it. Either way, it's not a game and carries a lot of responsibility or b) You are looking to show off that you have a firearm on your person which is also asking for trouble. Either of these scenarios (which I hope is not the case) can be very dangerous.


Concentrate on your job, and if you are truly serious about a position in LE other than Corrections, then work hard to earn it. If it's meant to be, it will happen.


On a side note about concealed carry for off duty LEO's...I know a lot of cops that have the superman syndrome. That being said, I don't choose to be around them when they are off duty. They are the ones that are always looking for trouble or think that because they are cops that they deserve all of the breaks. Same with Corrections Officers, I see too many of them just looking to be able to carry off duty just so that they can show off.


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I was just asking if HR 218 applied to us COs in Illinois cause most states do. Yes I would like to carry of duty not to "gung ho" or play cops and robbers cause its a right and every state does have concealed carry now except Illinois. Some of you saying it would be better if just the criminals carried since they do anyways

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 Have to see how much PT academy is I thought about doing this 



Keep in mind, that even if you get hired on as a part time LEO, that still will not automatically qualify you to carry off duty. Most if not all departments in my area of the sate that have part time officers do not allow them to carry off duty. Regardless of HR218, you still are required to adhere to your departments policies! 


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adam82. Carrying concealed is not what is cracked up to be. It is a hugh responsibility. There is also the expense of purchasing clothing that will conceal  the weapon. I wouldn't dwell on it as at times it is a pain.



Bump.  It can be a liability as well.  You can't brandish what you don't have.



Even with a CCW permit, I wouldn't do it without checking department policy which may prohibit off duty concealed carry even with a CCW permit.  Violation of policy is a great way to lose a job.

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In New York, State Correctional Officers are Peace Officers as defined in NYS CPL 2.1 and are recognized as sworn Law Enforcement Officers. They can carry under HR218.

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It's Illinois, they will limit the right to carry any and every way they can.


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