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Justice-400_max50

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Posted almost 3 years ago

 

Recently I had a frustrating and down right dangerous experience with my ASP hinged handcuffs. If you're not aware, ASP handcuffs are somewhat flexible and the blade can actually miss the cuffing channel and not lock. This happened to me during an arrest and luckily I got it fixed before the suspect later got squirrely on me.


Anyway, to my point, I'm going to buy a different set of hinged handcuffs and was wondering if anyone had some suggestions for which brand to go with. I loved how my ASP handcuffs could be double locked and unlocked from both sides, but I don't like anything else about them. If anyone knows of another brand that has this or if anyone simply has a suggestion for a good, sturdy, reliable set of hinged handcuffs, I'm all ears.


Cost is not an issue. I'm not risking my safety with this next set. This is for standard patrol.

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Smith & Wesson or Peerless. I have never used hinged cuffs but I have used S&W for 30+ years and have never had an issue so I would think their hinged ones would be of the same quality. And I do work with officers who use and swear by Peerless so these would be the only brands I would recommend.


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We use Smith & Wesson. Never had any problems with these handcuffs.


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Peerless #1. Never have issues with my cuffs.


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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

Peereless here.  I have a pair of hinged cuffes, but don't care for them.  I keep them in the car as a spare and use the chain cuffs for duty.  The problem with hinge cuffs it they are too hard to get on when the subject is resisting.  That's been my experience at least.  A lot of our officers have the regular ASP cuffs and I have never heard any complaints. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

Personally, I don't care for the hinged handcuffs. I don't have them, but have used my partner's during an arrest. Mine are the chain style, and I've used both S&W and Peerless. 19 years and the only issue is when they get a bit rusty (easily cleaned, though)


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Bronzestarribbon_max50

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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

S&W and my Hiatts ahve worked well for me...

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DoubleT213 says ...



Smith & Wesson or Peerless. I have never used hinged cuffs but I have used S&W for 30+ years and have never had an issue so I would think their hinged ones would be of the same quality. And I do work with officers who use and swear by Peerless so these would be the only brands I would recommend.


I am in total agreement with Double T in this about Peerless or S&W.

Behind the back, palms out , double locked and only loose enough to shove an ink pen REFILL between the cuff and metal with the keyhole on top or facing away from the hands. Never had a problem and very difficult even for some of these very agile females to slip under their feet because their palms are still facing out. Again, NEVER a problem and I really cannot count the number of people I have handcuffed over the years. Peerless is the brand I used.

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We use Hiatts or Smith n wessons never had a problem as long as correct cuffing techniques are applied with both thumbs pointing upwards and applying the lower cuff first in the loaded position.

Justice-400_max50

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Rate This | Posted almost 3 years ago

 

Thank you for the feedback guys.


For those of you suggesting Smith and Wesson cuffs, any idea if the hinged model 300 or model 1 is a better way to go? Model 1 fits bother larger and smaller wrists but I'm wondering if they close as easily or have any issues.

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

I suspect the larger ones would be harder to find a case for. I use the S&W M-100. I keep some flex cuffs handy for special people.  I like the Smith b/c they are smooth and easy to double lock.  Been using them about 14 yrs now, I think


 


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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

I love the ASP cuffs. Have never used hinged cuffs. I would think the ASP cuffs would be fine with the chain. Hinged cuffs maybe to ridged and made them flex.

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You can't go wrong with either Peerless or S&W, I've used both over the years. The military used to issue the Peerless hinged and the S&W branded handcuffs that have the pin double lock from around the 70's and early 80's were made for S&W by their cross town neighbors Peerless.


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S&W & Peerless.

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Forgot to mention that I never used the hinged cuffs. Too difficult to put on when you are fighting a subject.

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

I had that issue with the "Patient pending" (2007) ASP cuffs when arresting a robbery suspect. I bought a new pair which are patiented and they do not have the issue. I carry Smith and Wesson Lever Lock cuffs also but honestly when you switch from ASP to a standard type cuff you will not be happy. Try chain ASP patiented cuffs. If you take a standard cuff and rotate through the 21 locking slots and compare ASP to Smiths or Peerless you will see how smooth and quick ASP is. In my DT class and handcuffing course we did speed tests for arresting people and ASP won everytime for speed. Just an FYI dont give up on ASP but safety first!

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

 I carry a set of peerless hinged and a set of S&W hinged. The s&w set is smaller than the peerless. Both fit fine in my double cuff pouch. I haven't had any problems with either of them at all. It's important that if you switch from chain to hinge or visa versa, that you practice until you are comfortable with them. You don't want to be fumbling with your cuffs if you are trying to arrest somebody.

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Rate This | Posted over 2 years ago

 

I've carried the same S&W chain cuffs for 16 years and I've never had a problem. I don't carry hinge cuffs, just a personal preference.


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I think having a keyhole on both sides of the cuffs defeats the purpose of having a hinge. With the keyholes facing up it is very difficult for someone to reach the keyholes to use a concealed key/pick.


Some other points:  this hinged models have a slightly larger maximum diameter so they fit larger wrists. This comes at the expense of having a larger minimum diameter and will not securely hold very small wrists. Also, hinged models, when use on an average wrist form a circular shape which allows one to rotate their wrist. If they can rotate their wrist within the cuff, cuffing with the palms facing out is pointless.


As for the brand, S&W and Peerless are both solid choices. There are a few things I would keep in mind. In the past several years, both brands have modified their designs to cut costs. Switching from brazed assembly to rivets did not seem to affect their dependability, but a few years back Peerless did have to recall an entire line of cuffs due to a defective spring causing the locking mechanism to fail. I don't know how much they brought down their cost by skimping on springs, but I was disappointed to hear about it. The spring is a critical component.


Another point I would consider is another aspect of the springs. I haven't handled any of the new models so I can't say, but previous S&W models had stiffer springs than any of the Peerless. It's a big difference between the two brands and Peerless is even rolling out a line (B series) that touts "smoother ratcheting". That means less stiff springs. I think stiff springs are far more secure. If you try to pick cuffs with stiff springs you need a rigid pick that is stiff enough to overcome the tension of the spring. You also have to get much more leverage on your pick to apply more torque. If not double-locked, shimming will be easier for the same reason. Its probably impossible to do even with the softer modern springs, but some antique cuffs, whose springs have weakened over the years, can actually be "rapped" open by striking a hard surface. The ratchet litteraly bounces off the spring and temporarily disengages the ratchet.


Last thing. I like the S&W lock design more than Peerless. Notice that when you put the key in the lock you only have to turn it less than a 1/4 inch to unlock. This essentially puts the part of the ratchet that you need to press down on to pick them very close to the widest part of the keyhole (where the flag of the key enters). That gives you more room to work the pick. With S&W, the spot you need to press on a all the over at the 3 or 4 o'clock position, so you have to put the pick in the narrowest part of the keyhole and deal with that center pin.


 

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 Smith and Wesson, M&P version.  You can double lock it with a button instead of using the end of your key.


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Rate This | Posted over 1 year ago

 

 I carry the Smith and Wesson. Carried them for years. The only issue I've had is that they got stiff in the closed potition one time. Luckily no one was in them and I was actually at home fidgeting with them.


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Rate This | Posted over 1 year ago

 

My personal choice is Smith & Wesson Model 100P chain-linked. I always carry two sets of handcuffs and they are never placed around the rear of my duty belt. 

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Rate This | Posted over 1 year ago

 

I have some Peerless that are close to 40 years old ad still look and function great. The hinged cuffs are not quite that old and are great but like others I also do not prefer them over chains. If you are just "transporting" then okay, but the flexibility in the unknown field situations where you just have to get them on and usually in a hurry I like the old fashion links.

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I have been using Safariland cuffs for about 6 months now.  I think theyt bought Hiatts,  love these things they are the easiest to get on someone of any cuffs I have used.