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Poll: Are sovereign citizens patriots or a law enforcement menace?

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Jonas says ...



Thanks to Dpalmer for posting what these folks are all about. The Term 'Christian Identity' associated with anti law enforcement activity is sick. Any Christian who reads the Bible knows that God is pro law enforcement. Romans 13:1-4 is very clear on this matter. We as Christians and Americans need to thank God for law enforcement. It is NEVER right to break laws as a means to push an agenda.



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Not certain bout "Christian Identity" to which you refer.  "Christian" is a loaded word meaning different things to different people.  However, your assertion of any Christian who reads the Bible knows the God is pro law enforcement is assinine and completely contrary to Scripture.  Have you even read the Bible?  Every patriarch and prophet of the Old Testament and Martyr of the New died resisting unlawful government.  As far as Hitler's favorite verse goes as now promulgated by heretical "Christian" pastures on the doll of the FEMA Clergy Response Team whom place the Government as it's head and NOT Christ by being 501c3 orginizations Romans 13 is referring to authorities of the highest liberty as being ordained by G-d.  You really should stop listening to what heretical preachers teach at the behest of government as there is no government ordained by G-d that has ANY lawful authority which promotes tyranny upon man in violation of his innate G-d given rights.  It's not hard to check and see that I'm right and you are vastly in error.  Just do a simple word study to see what was actually being spoken about in the verse you raised and you will see clearly how you've been conned by a servant of satan in the guise of a worker of light bought and paid for by the criminal government whom you commit blasphamy against the Almighty by asserting that He supports such depravity through any kind of ordination.

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 Looks like a troll has shown up to spill his garbage. Please stop Aaron!


You wouldn't go in there for a million bucks...A Cop does it for less...A Reserve does it for free....

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mz66 says ...



Sigh, not this vaccine / autism horse dung again.


Good investigative reporting may finally debunk the myth that vaccines cause autism: http://goo.gl/2Z6EB


Also: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html


Stop spreading this horse manure. Stop scamming people with cures that couldn't possibly work. Someday someone will bring you up on charges for practicing medicine without a license at the very least or genuinely causing someone harm at the worst.


 MZ, You flunked detective school, didn't you?  Vaccines don't cause autism.  The mercury that's in them causes autism.


Good little detectives know that they arrive at the truth by asking questions.  They don't just watch TV and take the reporters word for it.  They certainly don't trust the government, who is bribed heavily by the vaccine industry, to tell the truth.  Good police officers might consider asking the victims what happened.  In the case of autism, normal babies were turned into brain dead vegetables after they had vaccines.  That's what happened to my son.  We learned the truth in 1999 and began curing autism in 2000.


Cures that can't possibly work are now approved by the government and paid for by insurance since several states have mandated this payment thanks to pressure from the corrupt autism charity named Autism Speaks which was founded by a man who was an executive for GE who owns a thimerosal plant.  Thimerosal is the mercury compound in vaccines that causes most of the autism.  It was a pretty good plan by a thimerosal plant owner to start a charity to lie about it, don't you think?  The "cure" they promote is called ABA and it only addresses behavior modification.  I guess cops would like this therapy since it involves using force to make a disabled child comply with authoritative discipline.  It is now promoted by all sorts of liars because the people who practice it charge a fortune and they all get rich from it.  It doesn't help the kids though.


We could sue the doctors who give the shots but they're protected by something called "standard of care".  This means that as long as a majority of doctors attest that shooting mercury into babies is competent medical practice, they can all do it, no matter how many kids' brains they mangle and it's legal, no malpractice.  That's why they have to keep lying about it.  They all know the truth by now so they lie to support each other the same way cops do when someone goes berserk and pulls a Rodney King.  The cops who witness it are suddenly struck blind.


I was told to throw my son in a nuthouse when he was three years old and forget about him.  They told me there was nothing that could help him.  Now he's a happy 15 year old because I removed the mercury from his brain with chelation using Alpha Lipoic Acid.  Tens of thousands of us have done this to help our kids and not one of them has been harmed.  Meanwhile, the drug industry now shoots mercury into pregnant women with flu shots  because they know it will cause autism.  The baby doesn't even have to be vaccinated itself and this makes it look like vaccines are blameless.  That's a good scam, don't you think?  They tell everyone the mercury has been removed and then they shoot it into babies via the mother's flu shot.  What would good little detectives do if they found some lunatic shooting mercury into pregnant women so he could cause autism in their kids to make sure he had lots of clients for his ABA company?  Would they arrest said lunatic?  You can arrest the CEO's of the drug industry for this.  Of course, you'll need a lot more evidence.  I have it all.  Want to be a hero?


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@bettwice33: You flunked reading, apparently--but I realize you didn't read any of the material I posted because it bursts your crazy batshit conspiracy theories and you want to remain ignorant. You wasted all that horseshit on me--I'm not going to read it.


Stop spreading this manure and stop trying to convince officers to violate their actual oaths to the community.




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@bettwice33: You flunked reading, apparently--but I realize you didn't read any of the material I posted because it bursts your crazy batshit conspiracy theories and you want to remain ignorant. You wasted all that horseshit on me--I'm not going to read it.


Stop spreading this manure and stop trying to convince officers to violate their actual oaths to the community.


 


MZ,  Your oaths should cause you to protect babies.  Calling me names and remaining ignorant on this subject doesn't do much to dispel the notion that cops are a bunch of brainless stormtroopers who follow orders blindly because they're too stupid to question unlawful orders.  You're a disgrace to the badge.  You might think differently if some nutjob shot mercury into your own kid's brain and turned him into a zombie.


I know lots of cops.  Most are fairly intelligent.  They're embarassed by having people like you in their midst.


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MarlyB says ...



Sorry I don't mean to hijack this thread, but talking of foil hats and Jiffy Pop for brains...does anyone remember how many years Phil Specter got for his hairdo???


I'm writing a term paper and I don't have time to google.


 




Marly, he got 39 years.


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"Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron.  One cannot be both a "citizen" and "sovereign."  As a national of the place of my legal domicile, which is the Kingdom of Heaven, I am a Citizen of that Government and as a national by birth of my souls fleshly vessle upon the land of the state republic of Indiana I am also a Constitutional Citizen.  I am a dual national with dual citizenship.  Neither of which fall within the jurisdiction of any foreign body absent my consent to contract which is morally reprehensible and contradictory to my duties and Divinely Delegated Authority.  Especially regarding any Federal Franchise and especially when the Federal Government is wholley absent any lawful authority to govern and only seems to do so under guise of illusion and tyranny of force.


Contrary to the treasonous propaganda of domestic enemies of the Republic of the united States of America those such as I are not "sovereign" in and of ourselves but "sovereign" in that we enjoy the status of The Sovereign whom we represent, YHWH, Y'shua.  Anyone who fails to understand this concept reveals themselves not to be a "Christian" in that this teaching was expounded on by Y'shua, aka "Jesus" within the Scriptures as well as entirely ignorant concerning the subject of American Soverignty according to the founding fathers of the Constitutional Republic.


Insofar as to what degree of "danger" we present to any "Law Enforcement" it entirely depends on wheither an indiviual has consentually made themselves subject and wheither or not the Government Agent/Actor restrains his capacity of action according to his/her oath of office.  If so, then the Agent presents no threat and as such needs not fear any violence.  However, as lead is innately heavy and heavy cannot be seperated from lead so too does Natural Man have Innate Rights, one of which is the right to defend oneself from criminal assault by any criminal especially a tortfeasing Government Actor who has violated his oath of office, committing felony misprison of perjury as well as sedition and treason.


"Law" Enforcement worried about safety?  Then uphold your oaths to protect peoples' Constitutional Rights, you violate that through ignorance and bad faith due to procedural training induced upon you by open traitors such as the Federal Government, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, whomever and you act in that predatory capacity upon the public then you should fear attempting to enslave free America because it is then you who have become the criminals at large and wholley deserve any summary judgements instituted upon you by lawful Americans exercising their Innate Natural Rights whom you attempt to assault.


Oathkeeper = Good "Cop"

Oathbreakers = Bad "Cop"



Which state or federal judge has ever agreed with any of what you have written here?



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What does it matter what a state or federal judge says?  Though they may be your black robed priests they are not mine.  I do not need someone to think for me I've got the common sense G-d gave me as well as the Commn Law expression of Divine Law as laid out in the Republic's founding documents.  That question is kind of like the assertion I read elsewhere in this forum where someone made a remark to the effect "that will never hold up in court."  I think it was something to do with Tax Courts not allowing Religious Defense for non payment of income tax, which in of itself is a farce because the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.  So, then how could that be then?  That is, no religious freedom as a defense of law within a Tax court?  BECAUSE IT IS A FOREIGN JURISDICTION!!!  Judges say it all the time, "The Constitution and your Rights do not apply here."  Why?  Again, it is a Foreign Jurisdiction.  British Admiralty Law, Private Courts of Law.  This is what all TAX courts, TRAFFIC courts and FAMILY courts are as they possess NO Constitutionaly delegated authority.  So, why should I care what "they" acknowlege or not?  After all they are Foreign to me and without my expressed consent I am NOT subject to such "courts."


It is really disconcerting having all these "Law" Enforcement Officers running willy nilly throughout the public having absolutely no undrestanding or awareness of the very LAW they are bound by oath of office to protect and uphold.  It's NOT hard to understand.  The ONLY lawful authority a Government Agent has is that endowed upon him by the Public whom accept him/her into position based upon the promise to abide according to the Oath.  The ONLY authority any Government Agent has is delegated to him/her from the people.  Any Government Agent in violation of the Oath of Office commits felony misprison of perjury through that breach of oath and office and all such actions in violation are criminal by nature and definition. It is because of these Oathbreaking tortfeasors committing treason that I exercise my right -not license -to bear arms so as to be ready to do my duty to both G-d and country should necessity dictate defense from their attempts to criminally assault me, my property or those under my protection in any manner.


Also, alot of you within this forum also seem to have absolutely no understanding of "law" at all, so that really does also hinder the likelihood that your good-faith actions are really "lawfull" at all.  It mainly seems to me that you guys proceed more based off arrogance and false bravado that somehow you are over the people you are sworn to protect and like we are but to be nothing more than your abject slaves subject to whatever ignorant presumptions you guys may possess about the law when really you are clueless regarding it.


Yeah, most people don't like cops.  We don't trust them.  And we don't need them for our protection.  Like most things governmental they are more of a hindrance to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness than a help mainly because of the criminal atmosphere within government itself that appeals only to the most weak, ignorant and insecure to fill the ranks of "law" enforcement agencies.  Unfortunately if there are "good cops" they don't get very far or last very long because all the sadistic psycopathic ones are promoted above them.  Again "good cops" uphold their oath and present no threat of arrest concerning exercising rights that they are sworn to protect.  Oath breakers are "bad cops" whom respect no rights as being protected and believe all people possess are the priviledges granted by their god the Government.  Also, being that they are sychophants of Criminal Government this makes their religious devotion to that god all the more abhorable for while dismissing other's Religous Rights as frivilous they force theirs upon everyone.



Just a word of advice- If you do end up in a state or federal court you probably don't want call the judge a "black robe priest"


It's a  courtroom, not a church.


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Judges and Roman Catholic priests both traditionally wear/wore black robes.

Judges have a Masonic hammer or gavel which they hit to declare the word of Law. The idea of law comes from the biblical ten stone commandments and so it is said that you “break” the law. Judges always sit on a three tier high platform representing the first three blue degrees of freemasonry.

The same tritier platform is found at Congress, and the altar in most Catholic and Protestant churches is three tiers high. That’s also why you get/give someone the “third degree” related to the third degree of Masonry where the initiate is asked a series of probing questions he must answer correctly in order to become a Master Mason.

There is usually a gate around church altars just as there are gates with swinging doors in every courtroom. The congregations at church all stand up to recognize the priest, just as all rise when the judge walks in.

Then the judge takes a “recess” because he is in “court” playing a game of “ten”nis (commandments), with lawyers who play the dialectic protagonist/antagonist game, bouncing the advantage into each other’s court. In the courtroom witnesses must place their hand on the old/new “testament” before giving their “testimony,” just as a priest’s sermon is often called testimony (also notice “mon” from “moon” in testimony and sermon).

As a witness swears in, one hand is placed on the bible while the other is held up; In church, when parishioners feel the holy spirit, often during song, they will hold one or both hands up to praise the lord.

“Then when you get further into Saturn, you begin to understand that his color is black, that he was a God of one of the many different Semitic tribes, or groups, and one of his symbols was a square. Then you get into the square black mortarboard that the university or high school students wear when they graduate.

It is a square on his head, and it is usually black. The color of Saturn, one of the ancient Hebrew Gods. This is the same black used on the robe the judge wears when he is going to throw you in jail. Because the black represents Saturn. Saturn is the old Semitic God.

That is why churches and courtrooms look the same today, because when you go into churches you sit out here with the poor folks in the chairs out here in the pews, but you cannot go up onto the lifted higher elevation, you can't go inside the gate, you can't go inside the little doors, only the priest can go inside there and officiate for you.

You stay on the outside with the poor folks. The altar is always raised at least three tiers, because in Egypt that was the way it was always done.

The altar was always raised so the people could see the representative of God dressed in black. The priest comes out on the altar dressed in black, and he is officiating for you, he is the mediator between you and God. That is the same thing that happens in the courtroom, you walk in and you are part of the poor folks sitting out here in the audience, and here is the fence, or gate, that separates you.

The attorneys can go inside the gate and they are your mouthpiece, to go talk to ‘God’ for you and see if they can get you off, and the lawyers will be the mediator between ‘God,’ or the ‘judge’ who judges you, and man. That is where all of this comes from in our society today.”

Jordan Maxwell, “Matrix of Power”

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We had one of these fine folks in court a few weeks ago. He informed the judge he did not accept the speeding charges and requested a jury trial. His case was transfered to the circuit court. I spoke to the judge after wards and this idiot had written him a 5 or 6 page letter.

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... this idiot had written him a 5 or 6 page letter.



There's something familiar about that. I can't quite put my finger on it.




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I was just messing around online and found this thread.  I'm not a police officer, so I appologize up front.  I do however consider myself a Sovereign and was alarmed by what I read. 


 


There are bad apples in every barrell, so most of what you hear is 'worst case scenario' and doesn't accurately portray the majority of us.    Kind of like saying all cops are assh=les.  I know that's not the case, I've met some great ones.  Don't put too much into the FBI report that's online, either.  I'm not saying it's not accurate in some cases, but it's the exception rather than the rule.


 


It's a long deep rabbit hole, alot to learn and many directions to go.  Too much to go into here, but it is all about the Constitution.  And it should be, shouldn't it?  I'm just a human being that beleives I'm beholden to none but myself and subscribes to a common law / no harm, no foul type of existance.  Many of you might think this means a lawless free for all, but in actuality it involves a huge level of personal accountability which is why you don't run into us too often.  Most of us don't want to cause harm.  We don't do 90 on the freeway because we know it's not safe.  Most of us aren't armed outside our homes.  We are responsible, for the most part thoughfull people.  But we do know our rights and don't tolerate having them violated.  At the same time, most of us are mindful to not violate anyone else's.  Lol, I'm not exactly a spokesperson, but I have met and spoken with alot of people.  Most of them don't hate law enforcement officers, they just dread the interaction because many just think we're psychotic and dangerous.  That's what you've been told.  I'm not saying there aren't psychos and troublemakers in every 'group'.  It's kind of like putting every Christian denomination in one group.  That's quite a variety in one lump.


 


Don't take my word for it.  Don't take anyone else's though, either.  Do the research if you're so inclined, talk to people and decide for yourself.  Don't be sheeple.  God gave you a brain and the ablilty to decide for yourself.


 


As for the person who was posting about vaccines - they're right.  It's not just the mercury though.  There are many informative websites out there, but that's just a starting point.  Pull up the actual package inserts and do your own research.  I don't know about a cure though, I have no personal knowledge of that.  I wouldn't write it off until I did the research though.  There are lots of rabbit holes to go down, and when you're looking for truth you go down quite a few.