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Poll: Are sovereign citizens patriots or a law enforcement menace?

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Thanks to Dpalmer for posting what these folks are all about. The Term 'Christian Identity' associated with anti law enforcement activity is sick. Any Christian who reads the Bible knows that God is pro law enforcement. Romans 13:1-4 is very clear on this matter. We as Christians and Americans need to thank God for law enforcement. It is NEVER right to break laws as a means to push an agenda.

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3 votes for patriots?


 Short version, crack pots with a dangerous radical element.


I'm sorry I may be considered "extremist" for believing if the government continues to usurp the powers across branches and from the rights of the people that the states and the people are within their rights to challenge individually or COLLECTIVELY to shed such law or government. But there is a process. That's what the courts and Constitution are for.


Nobody has the right to say I am above the law, only to challenge it and win or lose face the consequences of their actions in court not on the streets. Unless of course you're completely off the grid and on your own land then I could see how this might be true. But that means no cash no car no id no services  elodial title to your land etc.


In any event it would definitely fall under the anarchist category and definitely something to be alert to. Not to be confused with seperatists who believe the government has overstepped it's bounds and the states should restore the constitutional government or split. You won't see too many malitias going out of their way to break the law, where as these guys tend to think they can do what they want when they want where they want and to impose on that blah blah blah. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it this retardedness.


FBI watches both very closely and the mere mention will certainly bring their eyes upon you. They both have their radicals in the mix (some more than others). Tread lightly when dealing with both because you never know if its one of the good guys, bad guys, or just misinformed. They can be dangerous just like any ideolog. But I wouldn't go as far as to call them all domestic terrorists as the FBI has them labeled. Just some lol.


Ya wanna protest the system? Do it within the law until the law says you can't then revolt. But until then just pay your $500 traffic fine with pennies. It's always good for a laugh.


Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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 There is something seriously wrong with someone who thinks killing is the solution....not to mention blaming the government as well as anyone in an authoritative position.

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MaxVirtus says ...



 There is something seriously wrong with someone who thinks killing is the solution....not to mention blaming the government as well as anyone in an authoritative position.



Will give a big ol bump to that. If all were angels there would be no need for government.


Counterpoint:There has to be that perfect balance of liberty and governance or chaos will ensue. Rest of this argument is a topic for another post in another end of the forum. (politics )


Point being most of these guys are misinformed/mislead into thinking they have found a way to beat the system. The fanatics, well... scary to think what would happen if they all acted on their impulses. And the leaders are just crooks makin a quick buck off the first group. 


This group definitely poses a threat to those they sucker in via jail and those that oppose them ala violence. In any case lock em away. And that's coming from a hardline right Texan.


Funny how the only enumerated right that contains the phrase "shall not be infringed" suffers the heaviest regulation. I'm still trying to find where it says anything about hunting and targets.

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"Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron.  One cannot be both a "citizen" and "sovereign."  As a national of the place of my legal domicile, which is the Kingdom of Heaven, I am a Citizen of that Government and as a national by birth of my souls fleshly vessle upon the land of the state republic of Indiana I am also a Constitutional Citizen.  I am a dual national with dual citizenship.  Neither of which fall within the jurisdiction of any foreign body absent my consent to contract which is morally reprehensible and contradictory to my duties and Divinely Delegated Authority.  Especially regarding any Federal Franchise and especially when the Federal Government is wholley absent any lawful authority to govern and only seems to do so under guise of illusion and tyranny of force.


Contrary to the treasonous propaganda of domestic enemies of the Republic of the united States of America those such as I are not "sovereign" in and of ourselves but "sovereign" in that we enjoy the status of The Sovereign whom we represent, YHWH, Y'shua.  Anyone who fails to understand this concept reveals themselves not to be a "Christian" in that this teaching was expounded on by Y'shua, aka "Jesus" within the Scriptures as well as entirely ignorant concerning the subject of American Soverignty according to the founding fathers of the Constitutional Republic.


Insofar as to what degree of "danger" we present to any "Law Enforcement" it entirely depends on wheither an indiviual has consentually made themselves subject and wheither or not the Government Agent/Actor restrains his capacity of action according to his/her oath of office.  If so, then the Agent presents no threat and as such needs not fear any violence.  However, as lead is innately heavy and heavy cannot be seperated from lead so too does Natural Man have Innate Rights, one of which is the right to defend oneself from criminal assault by any criminal especially a tortfeasing Government Actor who has violated his oath of office, committing felony misprison of perjury as well as sedition and treason.


"Law" Enforcement worried about safety?  Then uphold your oaths to protect peoples' Constitutional Rights, you violate that through ignorance and bad faith due to procedural training induced upon you by open traitors such as the Federal Government, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, whomever and you act in that predatory capacity upon the public then you should fear attempting to enslave free America because it is then you who have become the criminals at large and wholley deserve any summary judgements instituted upon you by lawful Americans exercising their Innate Natural Rights whom you attempt to assault.


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 You people need to understand where this all stems from.  It's all due to the fact that our Congress and president W Wilson sold the USA to the Rothschild family of criminal bankers in 1913 when they created the Federal Reserve.  Instead of following article 1, section 8 of the Constitution which states that only Congress can issue money, they allowed the bankers who own the Fed to issue money, thus charging all of us interest to borrow our own money.  The money these bankers create is actually counterfeit since there is nothing to back it up like gold or silver.  AND, it is all created with interest attached.  If Congress created the money without the bankers, there would be no interest, no need for any taxes and no national debt of $15 trillion.  This banking scam is the root cause of every problem we have here.  These bankers also own the large corporations who shipped jobs to Asia and caused all the unemployment.  The bankers have their own roots in the British East India Trading Company which made their fortune in opium.  Yup, they're still in control of the opium trade so the next time a drug dealer shoots a cop, you can thank the bankers for bringing the drugs here.  Virtually any problem you can think of can be traced to these bankers.


They control our elections which is easy for them since they own all of the TV networks.  Their candidates are the only ones you ever see on TV begging for your votes.  No honest person will ever be allowed in their sham debates which only debate phony issues instead of the real issues.  They don't want you to know what the real issues are.  So, it's virtually impossible for us to throw these bankers and their stooges out of office and elect honest politicians.  That means it's impossible for us to shut down the Fed or seize it from these bankers so we can end the national debt.


Sovereigns are decent and intelligent people who have embraced this as a means to defeat the bankers and save the USA.  As you might expect, the bankers and their henchmen promote propaganda to make you believe that sovereigns are a bunch of delusional wack jobs.  This is not to excuse the few who are violent law breakers.  BUT, they don't speak for the rest.  When sovereigns take back the USA that used to exist, not controlled by bankers, the job of police will be a lot safer.  Crime will diminish because poverty will not exist and we will be able to get rid of street drugs entirely by virtue of not having a corrupt regime in DC.

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"Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron.  One cannot be both a "citizen" and "sovereign."  As a national of the place of my legal domicile, which is the Kingdom of Heaven, I am a Citizen of that Government and as a national by birth of my souls fleshly vessle upon the land of the state republic of Indiana I am also a Constitutional Citizen.  I am a dual national with dual citizenship.  Neither of which fall within the jurisdiction of any foreign body absent my consent to contract which is morally reprehensible and contradictory to my duties and Divinely Delegated Authority.  Especially regarding any Federal Franchise and especially when the Federal Government is wholley absent any lawful authority to govern and only seems to do so under guise of illusion and tyranny of force.


Contrary to the treasonous propaganda of domestic enemies of the Republic of the united States of America those such as I are not "sovereign" in and of ourselves but "sovereign" in that we enjoy the status of The Sovereign whom we represent, YHWH, Y'shua.  Anyone who fails to understand this concept reveals themselves not to be a "Christian" in that this teaching was expounded on by Y'shua, aka "Jesus" within the Scriptures as well as entirely ignorant concerning the subject of American Soverignty according to the founding fathers of the Constitutional Republic.


Insofar as to what degree of "danger" we present to any "Law Enforcement" it entirely depends on wheither an indiviual has consentually made themselves subject and wheither or not the Government Agent/Actor restrains his capacity of action according to his/her oath of office.  If so, then the Agent presents no threat and as such needs not fear any violence.  However, as lead is innately heavy and heavy cannot be seperated from lead so too does Natural Man have Innate Rights, one of which is the right to defend oneself from criminal assault by any criminal especially a tortfeasing Government Actor who has violated his oath of office, committing felony misprison of perjury as well as sedition and treason.


"Law" Enforcement worried about safety?  Then uphold your oaths to protect peoples' Constitutional Rights, you violate that through ignorance and bad faith due to procedural training induced upon you by open traitors such as the Federal Government, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, whomever and you act in that predatory capacity upon the public then you should fear attempting to enslave free America because it is then you who have become the criminals at large and wholley deserve any summary judgements instituted upon you by lawful Americans exercising their Innate Natural Rights whom you attempt to assault.


Oathkeeper = Good "Cop"

Oathbreakers = Bad "Cop"



Which state or federal judge has ever agreed with any of what you have written here?


I don't believe in an eye for an eye...I believe in two eyes for an eye.

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 You people need to understand where this all stems from.  It's all due to the fact that our Congress and president W Wilson sold the USA to the Rothschild family of criminal bankers in 1913 when they created the Federal Reserve.  Instead of following article 1, section 8 of the Constitution which states that only Congress can issue money, they allowed the bankers who own the Fed to issue money, thus charging all of us interest to borrow our own money.  The money these bankers create is actually counterfeit since there is nothing to back it up like gold or silver.  AND, it is all created with interest attached.  If Congress created the money without the bankers, there would be no interest, no need for any taxes and no national debt of $15 trillion.  This banking scam is the root cause of every problem we have here.  These bankers also own the large corporations who shipped jobs to Asia and caused all the unemployment.  The bankers have their own roots in the British East India Trading Company which made their fortune in opium.  Yup, they're still in control of the opium trade so the next time a drug dealer shoots a cop, you can thank the bankers for bringing the drugs here.  Virtually any problem you can think of can be traced to these bankers.


They control our elections which is easy for them since they own all of the TV networks.  Their candidates are the only ones you ever see on TV begging for your votes.  No honest person will ever be allowed in their sham debates which only debate phony issues instead of the real issues.  They don't want you to know what the real issues are.  So, it's virtually impossible for us to throw these bankers and their stooges out of office and elect honest politicians.  That means it's impossible for us to shut down the Fed or seize it from these bankers so we can end the national debt.


Sovereigns are decent and intelligent people who have embraced this as a means to defeat the bankers and save the USA.  As you might expect, the bankers and their henchmen promote propaganda to make you believe that sovereigns are a bunch of delusional wack jobs.  This is not to excuse the few who are violent law breakers.  BUT, they don't speak for the rest.  When sovereigns take back the USA that used to exist, not controlled by bankers, the job of police will be a lot safer.  Crime will diminish because poverty will not exist and we will be able to get rid of street drugs entirely by virtue of not having a corrupt regime in DC.



Is this the stuff from that "The Creature on Jekyll Island" comic book?


Street drugs will be gone entirely once you take back the USA? You don't say? Please, explain this in greater detail.


Do you have an income? Are you paying your income tax?


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Yep rarebit, it's coming from that book....


 


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bettwice33 says ...



 You people need to understand where this all stems from.  It's all due to the fact that our Congress and president W Wilson sold the USA to the Rothschild family of criminal bankers in 1913 when they created the Federal Reserve.  Instead of following article 1, section 8 of the Constitution which states that only Congress can issue money, they allowed the bankers who own the Fed to issue money, thus charging all of us interest to borrow our own money.  The money these bankers create is actually counterfeit since there is nothing to back it up like gold or silver.  AND, it is all created with interest attached.  If Congress created the money without the bankers, there would be no interest, no need for any taxes and no national debt of $15 trillion.  This banking scam is the root cause of every problem we have here.  These bankers also own the large corporations who shipped jobs to Asia and caused all the unemployment.  The bankers have their own roots in the British East India Trading Company which made their fortune in opium.  Yup, they're still in control of the opium trade so the next time a drug dealer shoots a cop, you can thank the bankers for bringing the drugs here.  Virtually any problem you can think of can be traced to these bankers.


They control our elections which is easy for them since they own all of the TV networks.  Their candidates are the only ones you ever see on TV begging for your votes.  No honest person will ever be allowed in their sham debates which only debate phony issues instead of the real issues.  They don't want you to know what the real issues are.  So, it's virtually impossible for us to throw these bankers and their stooges out of office and elect honest politicians.  That means it's impossible for us to shut down the Fed or seize it from these bankers so we can end the national debt.


Sovereigns are decent and intelligent people who have embraced this as a means to defeat the bankers and save the USA.  As you might expect, the bankers and their henchmen promote propaganda to make you believe that sovereigns are a bunch of delusional wack jobs.  This is not to excuse the few who are violent law breakers.  BUT, they don't speak for the rest.  When sovereigns take back the USA that used to exist, not controlled by bankers, the job of police will be a lot safer.  Crime will diminish because poverty will not exist and we will be able to get rid of street drugs entirely by virtue of not having a corrupt regime in DC.



Is this the stuff from that "The Creature on Jekyll Island" comic book?


Street drugs will be gone entirely once you take back the USA? You don't say? Please, explain this in greater detail.


Do you have an income? Are you paying your income tax?



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Six people did ajsdaddy.  Maybe one person somehow voted six times and I think I know who it is.  I also believe they are a menance and probably quite dangerous!


 


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WOAH! Someone marked the "patriot" answer. I sure would like to know who did that! I am certain that whomever did has a strong enough argument to back this up.



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i"m bumping Jonas' post here.  I'm totally in agreement.  Thank God for law enforcement officers.


 


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Thanks to Dpalmer for posting what these folks are all about. The Term 'Christian Identity' associated with anti law enforcement activity is sick. Any Christian who reads the Bible knows that God is pro law enforcement. Romans 13:1-4 is very clear on this matter. We as Christians and Americans need to thank God for law enforcement. It is NEVER right to break laws as a means to push an agenda.



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I have to correct you and I rarebit.  The book is called 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' and everyone needs to read it.


 


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Yep rarebit, it's coming from that book....


 


rarebit says ...



bettwice33 says ...



 You people need to understand where this all stems from.  It's all due to the fact that our Congress and president W Wilson sold the USA to the Rothschild family of criminal bankers in 1913 when they created the Federal Reserve.  Instead of following article 1, section 8 of the Constitution which states that only Congress can issue money, they allowed the bankers who own the Fed to issue money, thus charging all of us interest to borrow our own money.  The money these bankers create is actually counterfeit since there is nothing to back it up like gold or silver.  AND, it is all created with interest attached.  If Congress created the money without the bankers, there would be no interest, no need for any taxes and no national debt of $15 trillion.  This banking scam is the root cause of every problem we have here.  These bankers also own the large corporations who shipped jobs to Asia and caused all the unemployment.  The bankers have their own roots in the British East India Trading Company which made their fortune in opium.  Yup, they're still in control of the opium trade so the next time a drug dealer shoots a cop, you can thank the bankers for bringing the drugs here.  Virtually any problem you can think of can be traced to these bankers.


They control our elections which is easy for them since they own all of the TV networks.  Their candidates are the only ones you ever see on TV begging for your votes.  No honest person will ever be allowed in their sham debates which only debate phony issues instead of the real issues.  They don't want you to know what the real issues are.  So, it's virtually impossible for us to throw these bankers and their stooges out of office and elect honest politicians.  That means it's impossible for us to shut down the Fed or seize it from these bankers so we can end the national debt.


Sovereigns are decent and intelligent people who have embraced this as a means to defeat the bankers and save the USA.  As you might expect, the bankers and their henchmen promote propaganda to make you believe that sovereigns are a bunch of delusional wack jobs.  This is not to excuse the few who are violent law breakers.  BUT, they don't speak for the rest.  When sovereigns take back the USA that used to exist, not controlled by bankers, the job of police will be a lot safer.  Crime will diminish because poverty will not exist and we will be able to get rid of street drugs entirely by virtue of not having a corrupt regime in DC.



Is this the stuff from that "The Creature on Jekyll Island" comic book?


Street drugs will be gone entirely once you take back the USA? You don't say? Please, explain this in greater detail.


Do you have an income? Are you paying your income tax?




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 Rarebit,  It doesn't look like you're ready to advance from a trained drone to a thinking human.  You should probably stick to hiding behind billboards and catching dangerous criminals who run stop signs and leave the thinking to us.


Do you know that you're collecting taxes when you give out those stupid tickets?  Do you know that you could have a lot more take home pay if we had no taxes?  Taxes serve bankers and nobody else.


You probably believe street drugs come from gangs of hoodlums and some suppliers.  How do you think suppliers arrange to sneak their goods into the country?  Do you think they outsmart the entire government and all of our police forces or do you think they might have help from corrupt authorities?  Why don't we drop napalm on Columbia?  Why don't we just shoot all the Mexicans who bring drugs in?  Drop some napalm there too?  The bankers want our young people on drugs.  Then, like you brainwashed, non-thinking cops, the bankers can use you to serve them anyway they like to usurp our freedoms.  Maybe you'll care about when you retire and you don't have your badge to protect you.  Then again, maybe you won't because the mercury in the flu shots they require you to get is going to give you Alzheimer's and you'll spend your short retirement before you croak drooling on yourself and not knowing who you are.


Instead of being a wise ass, dumb cop, maybe you should ask questions.  I'll give you nicer answers then.

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 Rarebit,  It doesn't look like you're ready to advance from a trained drone to a thinking human.  You should probably stick to hiding behind billboards and catching dangerous criminals who run stop signs and leave the thinking to us.


Do you know that you're collecting taxes when you give out those stupid tickets?  Do you know that you could have a lot more take home pay if we had no taxes?  Taxes serve bankers and nobody else.


You probably believe street drugs come from gangs of hoodlums and some suppliers.  How do you think suppliers arrange to sneak their goods into the country?  Do you think they outsmart the entire government and all of our police forces or do you think they might have help from corrupt authorities?  Why don't we drop napalm on Columbia?  Why don't we just shoot all the Mexicans who bring drugs in?  Drop some napalm there too?  The bankers want our young people on drugs.  Then, like you brainwashed, non-thinking cops, the bankers can use you to serve them anyway they like to usurp our freedoms.  Maybe you'll care about when you retire and you don't have your badge to protect you.  Then again, maybe you won't because the mercury in the flu shots they require you to get is going to give you Alzheimer's and you'll spend your short retirement before you croak drooling on yourself and not knowing who you are.


Instead of being a wise ass, dumb cop, maybe you should ask questions.  I'll give you nicer answers then.



Wow I knew I could draw out one of these zombies over the internet. Welcome to PL! I hope to be snatching you out of your vehicle's window in the very near future. Here is something you do not understand. We live in a nation of laws. The laws are written by elected legislators. We are the enforcers of those laws. Instead of getting your pretty pink panties in a bunch about the way the laws are enforced, do something about it by electing legislators who will enact laws sympathetic to your cause. Oh, wait........there isn't a legislator off his rocker enough to suit your agenda? Sorry about that. Don't take it out on us because we will not accept your fake ID, your strawman account fraudulent checks, your conspiracy theories of stupidity, etc. etc. Perhaps if your ilk didn't come across as a bunch of dumb a$$ judicial wanna-be's who have no clue how to live in a civilized manner we may be more willing to listen to your mindless dribble. But no, without introduction you come into here and show just how stupid your cause (whatever it may be) in your pyramid scheme really is. It's OK, we understand truly we do. Folks get swindled every single day. I know you have spent a ton of money on worthless documents and have probably tried to subpoena a few of us into your kangaroo court but eventually when you grow up and move out of your mother's basement into the real world you will understand you actually DO have to pay things like.......your taxes........your bills........etc. and not have to try to fraudulently make your way through life. Oh by the way, it's not the world's fault you are broke, it's called personal responsibility.


 


On a side note it is nice to see SuzanneNGa back in the forums.


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I am in complete agreement with ajsdaddyCCSO  (on this particular topic)--truly, sincerely, without reservation.


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 AJ,  Your attitude of "snatching me out of a window" doesn't sit well with your bosses.  Do you understand that the People are your bosses?  We're the ones who you have to answer to, not some bribed liar who had himself elected to serve some corporation.


I'm not a sovereign.  I haven't joined them.  I like any angle that attacks the bankers who violate our Constitution.  That's the Constitution that you're sworn to uphold and defend.  I took that same oath as an Air Force officer.  I understood the part about Domestic Enemies.  Did you ever think about that?  Maybe you're too busy following orders from those domestic enemies when you should be questioning them.  That's what you swore to do when you took that oath.  Do you understand that bribed politicians who violate all of us are YOUR enemy, as well as mine?  Do you understand how those thieves hurt your children and your aging parents?


All of our elected officials are bribed to serve whoever pays them the most.  That never works out well for the majority of us.  Why don't you try using your brain for a change, read the Constitution or have your mother read it to you if that's not possible and start doing the job we're paying you to do.  And, start having some respect for the people you serve.  I'm no criminal.  I served my country.  Why do you think it's a crime that I use my brain?  Try it sometime.

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 I have not run into these folks on the job. I have talked with a few though. You can find em at gun shows, or survivalist gatherings..... They are convinced they are right, as are most people until the cuffs go on.


As an MP, I often encounter civilians who are in our jurisdictional areas who cannot understand how we have any authority over them since they are not "In the Army". As always, once the cuffs come out, they begin to become convinced. An RDO charge for these guys is easily justified in many situations once they start into their drabble about how hey are not subject to the laws you are enforcing.


At this time there are 6 votes for patriot, yet none have felt us worthy of hearing their opinions in writing.


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bettwice33 says ...



 AJ,  Your attitude of "snatching me out of a window" doesn't sit well with your bosses.  Do you understand that the People are your bosses?  We're the ones who you have to answer to, not some bribed liar who had himself elected to serve some corporation.


I'm not a sovereign.  I haven't joined them.  I like any angle that attacks the bankers who violate our Constitution.  That's the Constitution that you're sworn to uphold and defend.  I took that same oath as an Air Force officer.  I understood the part about Domestic Enemies.  Did you ever think about that?  Maybe you're too busy following orders from those domestic enemies when you should be questioning them.  That's what you swore to do when you took that oath.  Do you understand that bribed politicians who violate all of us are YOUR enemy, as well as mine?  Do you understand how those thieves hurt your children and your aging parents?


All of our elected officials are bribed to serve whoever pays them the most.  That never works out well for the majority of us.  Why don't you try using your brain for a change, read the Constitution or have your mother read it to you if that's not possible and start doing the job we're paying you to do.  And, start having some respect for the people you serve.  I'm no criminal.  I served my country.  Why do you think it's a crime that I use my brain?  Try it sometime.



Snatching someone out of the window refers to the fact that once it has become established one of us is talking to one of these folks, knowing they are armed, having to snatch one of them out in order to protect oneself. If you do not have an idea of what I am speaking look up how a police chielf lost his son on a traffic stop due to these bozo's stepping out with fully automatic rifles. Snatching someone out of a vehicle's window is an act of protection, not aggression. The Constitution that we have BOTH swore an oath to is the same. How it is interpreted, much like the Bible, is up to different people's perspectives. The Constitution establishes 3 seperate branches of government. If you have a problem with one, vote to change it, What we do as law enforcement officers is enforce the laws which the people have enacted by voting in their legislators. Don't like it? Change it. Timothy McVeigh, a sovereign citizen, attempted to "change" things.....hence the original poll..........patriots? or law enforcement menace? Personally I think they are a law enforcement menace. When you have to blow things up and kill people in order to try to get your point across there is a problem. When you see the government through a filter as being your "enemy", which is a tad bit extreme as LEO's we also represent what you find corrupt, and you start buying into the thinking of sovereigns (which is screwy at best) , you may begin to think things which may label one as extreme. Not saying that you do as you stated you are not part of their organization........yet. Bribed politicians? Sure bad, but it's an unfortunate part of doing business in this country. I believe term limits are the best way to solve that and I am sure we can agree on that. All of that being said, thank you for your service to this great country. By the way, what WE get paid to do is to protect the citizens who pay our salaries from whacko's like sovereigns.


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 So, you have the opinion that everyone who knows that our government is corrupt is a psycho who shoots cops.  Maybe we're people who don't fall for bullshit from dishonest politicians.


My infant son was poisoned thanks to our dishonest government.  They are trying to poison every baby in the country by shooting mercury into pregnant women with flu shots.  The dose those unborn babies receive equates to 200 times the dose that the CDC thinks is safe.  The CDC knows this.  They know that we know the danger.  Yet, they keep doing it anyhow because they have the media to shout down people like me.  That mercury causes spontaneous miscarriages, autism, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, diabetes, multiple sclerosis and lowered IQ's.  That's the goal, lowered IQ's, dumbing down the population.  The kids who get seriously damaged are just collateral damage to our corrupt government and they've been lying about it for a long time.  Oh yeah, the mercury in those flu shots also causes Alzheimer's.  How do I know this?  I learned how to remove mercury from the brain about 11 years ago and I've been teaching people how to do this for free to cure autism.


This horror show regarding autism led me to learn where all of the insanity that allows babies to be poisoned comes from.  It comes from bankers.  Bankers own our politicians.  They also own the medical schools and the pharmaceutical companies.  Maybe you should think about what I said about recognizing domestic enemies.  Cops should learn more about this crime and they should play a major role in protecting those babies from the bribed politicians who refuse to stop this nonsense.  Does that make sense to you?  Should cops protect babies from white collar criminals?

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Sigh, not this vaccine / autism horse dung again.


Good investigative reporting may finally debunk the myth that vaccines cause autism: http://goo.gl/2Z6EB


Also: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Thimerosal/thimerosal_faqs.html


Stop spreading this horse manure. Stop scamming people with cures that couldn't possibly work. Someday someone will bring you up on charges for practicing medicine without a license at the very least or genuinely causing someone harm at the worst.


 




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Have you ever dismantled your toaster to search for surveillance devices?


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 I honestly didn't know about these guys. I dont' have much to say as I'm looking into them now. Where are these guys mainly prevelant or is it more scatterd?

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rarebit: That guy's foil hat is last year's model and is subject to an immediate recall. It turns out that there's a defect that actually increases the signals from the dental implants. Also, a feedback loop causes the user to HEAR signals from the implants in their neighbors as well. Very disorienting.




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I greatly appreciate that ajsdaddyCCSO! And I"m so GLAD to be back.  My apologies for my long abscence.


Bettwice33, you have some gall to disrespect rarebit or any other law enforcement officer on this website.  Can't help but wonder if you are some disallusioned conspiracy theorist.  Our government is trying to poison every baby in our country?! Wow, just wow... Do you have a medical background for  claiming mercury causes diabetes and multiple sclerosis?! Bankers are the ones behind mercury poisoning? LOL oh boy... please private message me with your information on how you can teach me how to remove mercury from the brain.  I"m dying to know! Thank you for such an enlightened post there bettwice22, bravo!


 


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 Rarebit,  It doesn't look like you're ready to advance from a trained drone to a thinking human.  You should probably stick to hiding behind billboards and catching dangerous criminals who run stop signs and leave the thinking to us.


Do you know that you're collecting taxes when you give out those stupid tickets?  Do you know that you could have a lot more take home pay if we had no taxes?  Taxes serve bankers and nobody else.


You probably believe street drugs come from gangs of hoodlums and some suppliers.  How do you think suppliers arrange to sneak their goods into the country?  Do you think they outsmart the entire government and all of our police forces or do you think they might have help from corrupt authorities?  Why don't we drop napalm on Columbia?  Why don't we just shoot all the Mexicans who bring drugs in?  Drop some napalm there too?  The bankers want our young people on drugs.  Then, like you brainwashed, non-thinking cops, the bankers can use you to serve them anyway they like to usurp our freedoms.  Maybe you'll care about when you retire and you don't have your badge to protect you.  Then again, maybe you won't because the mercury in the flu shots they require you to get is going to give you Alzheimer's and you'll spend your short retirement before you croak drooling on yourself and not knowing who you are.


Instead of being a wise ass, dumb cop, maybe you should ask questions.  I'll give you nicer answers then.



Wow I knew I could draw out one of these zombies over the internet. Welcome to PL! I hope to be snatching you out of your vehicle's window in the very near future. Here is something you do not understand. We live in a nation of laws. The laws are written by elected legislators. We are the enforcers of those laws. Instead of getting your pretty pink panties in a bunch about the way the laws are enforced, do something about it by electing legislators who will enact laws sympathetic to your cause. Oh, wait........there isn't a legislator off his rocker enough to suit your agenda? Sorry about that. Don't take it out on us because we will not accept your fake ID, your strawman account fraudulent checks, your conspiracy theories of stupidity, etc. etc. Perhaps if your ilk didn't come across as a bunch of dumb a$$ judicial wanna-be's who have no clue how to live in a civilized manner we may be more willing to listen to your mindless dribble. But no, without introduction you come into here and show just how stupid your cause (whatever it may be) in your pyramid scheme really is. It's OK, we understand truly we do. Folks get swindled every single day. I know you have spent a ton of money on worthless documents and have probably tried to subpoena a few of us into your kangaroo court but eventually when you grow up and move out of your mother's basement into the real world you will understand you actually DO have to pay things like.......your taxes........your bills........etc. and not have to try to fraudulently make your way through life. Oh by the way, it's not the world's fault you are broke, it's called personal responsibility.


 


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Excuse me bettwice33, but you need to post an introduction on this website before continuing to post comments.  Then maybe you'd have some merit.  Nope, not deserving of being praised for your idiotic comments, but worthy of being a member of Policelink.  You keep up your wisea$$ comments and you probably won't find yourself continuing here.  


 


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 AJ,  Your attitude of "snatching me out of a window" doesn't sit well with your bosses.  Do you understand that the People are your bosses?  We're the ones who you have to answer to, not some bribed liar who had himself elected to serve some corporation.


I'm not a sovereign.  I haven't joined them.  I like any angle that attacks the bankers who violate our Constitution.  That's the Constitution that you're sworn to uphold and defend.  I took that same oath as an Air Force officer.  I understood the part about Domestic Enemies.  Did you ever think about that?  Maybe you're too busy following orders from those domestic enemies when you should be questioning them.  That's what you swore to do when you took that oath.  Do you understand that bribed politicians who violate all of us are YOUR enemy, as well as mine?  Do you understand how those thieves hurt your children and your aging parents?


All of our elected officials are bribed to serve whoever pays them the most.  That never works out well for the majority of us.  Why don't you try using your brain for a change, read the Constitution or have your mother read it to you if that's not possible and start doing the job we're paying you to do.  And, start having some respect for the people you serve.  I'm no criminal.  I served my country.  Why do you think it's a crime that I use my brain?  Try it sometime.



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Sorry I don't mean to hijack this thread, but talking of foil hats and Jiffy Pop for brains...does anyone remember how many years Phil Specter got for his hairdo???


I'm writing a term paper and I don't have time to google.


 


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"Sovereign Citizen" is an oxymoron.  One cannot be both a "citizen" and "sovereign."  As a national of the place of my legal domicile, which is the Kingdom of Heaven, I am a Citizen of that Government and as a national by birth of my souls fleshly vessle upon the land of the state republic of Indiana I am also a Constitutional Citizen.  I am a dual national with dual citizenship.  Neither of which fall within the jurisdiction of any foreign body absent my consent to contract which is morally reprehensible and contradictory to my duties and Divinely Delegated Authority.  Especially regarding any Federal Franchise and especially when the Federal Government is wholley absent any lawful authority to govern and only seems to do so under guise of illusion and tyranny of force.


Contrary to the treasonous propaganda of domestic enemies of the Republic of the united States of America those such as I are not "sovereign" in and of ourselves but "sovereign" in that we enjoy the status of The Sovereign whom we represent, YHWH, Y'shua.  Anyone who fails to understand this concept reveals themselves not to be a "Christian" in that this teaching was expounded on by Y'shua, aka "Jesus" within the Scriptures as well as entirely ignorant concerning the subject of American Soverignty according to the founding fathers of the Constitutional Republic.


Insofar as to what degree of "danger" we present to any "Law Enforcement" it entirely depends on wheither an indiviual has consentually made themselves subject and wheither or not the Government Agent/Actor restrains his capacity of action according to his/her oath of office.  If so, then the Agent presents no threat and as such needs not fear any violence.  However, as lead is innately heavy and heavy cannot be seperated from lead so too does Natural Man have Innate Rights, one of which is the right to defend oneself from criminal assault by any criminal especially a tortfeasing Government Actor who has violated his oath of office, committing felony misprison of perjury as well as sedition and treason.


"Law" Enforcement worried about safety?  Then uphold your oaths to protect peoples' Constitutional Rights, you violate that through ignorance and bad faith due to procedural training induced upon you by open traitors such as the Federal Government, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI, whomever and you act in that predatory capacity upon the public then you should fear attempting to enslave free America because it is then you who have become the criminals at large and wholley deserve any summary judgements instituted upon you by lawful Americans exercising their Innate Natural Rights whom you attempt to assault.


Oathkeeper = Good "Cop"

Oathbreakers = Bad "Cop"



Which state or federal judge has ever agreed with any of what you have written here?



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What does it matter what a state or federal judge says?  Though they may be your black robed priests they are not mine.  I do not need someone to think for me I've got the common sense G-d gave me as well as the Commn Law expression of Divine Law as laid out in the Republic's founding documents.  That question is kind of like the assertion I read elsewhere in this forum where someone made a remark to the effect "that will never hold up in court."  I think it was something to do with Tax Courts not allowing Religious Defense for non payment of income tax, which in of itself is a farce because the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion.  So, then how could that be then?  That is, no religious freedom as a defense of law within a Tax court?  BECAUSE IT IS A FOREIGN JURISDICTION!!!  Judges say it all the time, "The Constitution and your Rights do not apply here."  Why?  Again, it is a Foreign Jurisdiction.  British Admiralty Law, Private Courts of Law.  This is what all TAX courts, TRAFFIC courts and FAMILY courts are as they possess NO Constitutionaly delegated authority.  So, why should I care what "they" acknowlege or not?  After all they are Foreign to me and without my expressed consent I am NOT subject to such "courts."


It is really disconcerting having all these "Law" Enforcement Officers running willy nilly throughout the public having absolutely no undrestanding or awareness of the very LAW they are bound by oath of office to protect and uphold.  It's NOT hard to understand.  The ONLY lawful authority a Government Agent has is that endowed upon him by the Public whom accept him/her into position based upon the promise to abide according to the Oath.  The ONLY authority any Government Agent has is delegated to him/her from the people.  Any Government Agent in violation of the Oath of Office commits felony misprison of perjury through that breach of oath and office and all such actions in violation are criminal by nature and definition. It is because of these Oathbreaking tortfeasors committing treason that I exercise my right -not license -to bear arms so as to be ready to do my duty to both G-d and country should necessity dictate defense from their attempts to criminally assault me, my property or those under my protection in any manner.


Also, alot of you within this forum also seem to have absolutely no understanding of "law" at all, so that really does also hinder the likelihood that your good-faith actions are really "lawfull" at all.  It mainly seems to me that you guys proceed more based off arrogance and false bravado that somehow you are over the people you are sworn to protect and like we are but to be nothing more than your abject slaves subject to whatever ignorant presumptions you guys may possess about the law when really you are clueless regarding it.


Yeah, most people don't like cops.  We don't trust them.  And we don't need them for our protection.  Like most things governmental they are more of a hindrance to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness than a help mainly because of the criminal atmosphere within government itself that appeals only to the most weak, ignorant and insecure to fill the ranks of "law" enforcement agencies.  Unfortunately if there are "good cops" they don't get very far or last very long because all the sadistic psycopathic ones are promoted above them.  Again "good cops" uphold their oath and present no threat of arrest concerning exercising rights that they are sworn to protect.  Oath breakers are "bad cops" whom respect no rights as being protected and believe all people possess are the priviledges granted by their god the Government.  Also, being that they are sychophants of Criminal Government this makes their religious devotion to that god all the more abhorable for while dismissing other's Religous Rights as frivilous they force theirs upon everyone.

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 Very Dangerous. Approach with caution. Call for additional units to assist!!



Dangerous only to oathbreaking traitors acting in a criminal capacity that is.  So if that is you then you had better call your "backup" so that I can have the best opportunity possible to best serve the public at large by having the opportunity to exercise summary judgement upon such domestic enemies for their misprison of perjury, breach of oath of office, sedition and treason - which as we all know according to the supreme law of the land calls for death.  So if you are a criminal you should be scared and threatened.  Oh, and FYI pertaining to any accusations of threatening law enforcement, if you're stupid mind is tracking that direction just try to catch the gist that if you are threated then your not a lawful agent of the government but an actor and a criminal that any person has all due rights to resist with deadly impunity.

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But what collector of 21st Century Memorabilia could turn down a REAL McCOY vehicle registration card issued by the Kingdom of Heaven?


Traffic Officer:  And just where, Sir, is the Kingdom of Heaven?


Sovereign Citizen:  In Stayton Oregon, Officer.  And NO it's NOT the STATE of Oregon in the UNITED STATES.  It's the Oregon in HEAVEN. SHEESH, NO WONDER I don't pay taxes!!"


 


 


Hmmmm....Wonder what St. Peter (or is it St. Paul Bunyan?) charges for one of THESE?? lol


 




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 If I were you I would stop and close your mouth and not post another post. 


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