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I currently work for a security company and I have 4 years of security experience un armed work. I would like to get into a PD, but the prospects don't appear so great in my area. Plus, I'd like to gain a stronger work stability performance to show the next employer that I'm able to stay for "a while." I have the option to work for the company I am with in an armed position in a gated community as a community patrol officer. The position entails traffic stops for speeders, stop sign runnings, and responding to any other issue that may occur at all. What advise would you give me? I don't mind what it's in relation weather it's officer safety, community interaction, situational awareness, etc.


I appreciate it, Rich

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May I suggest you start by changing the service status on your profile from "police officer/deputy sheriff/constable" to something more applicable to your actual situation? It may seem minor to you but on here, as in life, the devil is in the details. And a security guard with a LE profile tag is so cliche its not even sporting...


Just my very well meaning .02 worth

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 Bump MH557!


Also I don't understand how a security guard can conduct traffic stops and other police related duties. Is the ticket book a state legal ticket book or just a company warning ticket?  Not knowing your laws, but here SC security companies do not hand out ticket books and the authority to even stop anyone. This sounds fishy to me. I would not want a security guard doing stops on vehicles, they do not have the proper training and knowledge we leos have. I can see a security company patrolling a gated community or retirement community for fires or medical problems and just being a presence. But not this other leo related duties. 


My opinon, if you want the job go get it! Don't just set there and wait for x amount of years or waiting for this or that. Get your name out there with these departments. That's how I did it. I started applying right before my 21st b-day. No college, my work background was like nothing. But I worked on that stuff along the way while I applied. 


You wouldn't go in there for a million bucks...A Cop does it for less...A Reserve does it for free....

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You are getting way ahead of yourself. Relax. You seem to be going 100 MPH posting topics. Relax. Sit back and read some of the discussions as you may pick up some knowledge. Your profile is misleading as MH557 commented. Relax.

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rescue101, there are lots of LEOs who can advise you on what it takes to be a LEO.  My advice mirror's everyone elses here:  Change your "service status" because it isn't true yet. 


Search the forums for topics related to your questions and interests and read them. 


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MH557 says ...



May I suggest you start by changing the service status on your profile from "police officer/deputy sheriff/constable" to something more applicable to your actual situation? It may seem minor to you but on here, as in life, the devil is in the details. And a security guard with a LE profile tag is so cliche its not even sporting...


Just my very well meaning .02 worth



Yes, I just changed it. Since 2008 when I joined, my intentions were to get into LE as soon as graduation, April 2012. However, some factors like the market in my area prevent that. I recently decided to stay in Security and didn't remember to change this detail. Thank you.

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 Bump MH557!


Also I don't understand how a security guard can conduct traffic stops and other police related duties. Is the ticket book a state legal ticket book or just a company warning ticket?  Not knowing your laws, but here SC security companies do not hand out ticket books and the authority to even stop anyone. This sounds fishy to me. I would not want a security guard doing stops on vehicles, they do not have the proper training and knowledge we leos have. I can see a security company patrolling a gated community or retirement community for fires or medical problems and just being a presence. But not this other leo related duties. 


My opinon, if you want the job go get it! Don't just set there and wait for x amount of years or waiting for this or that. Get your name out there with these departments. That's how I did it. I started applying right before my 21st b-day. No college, my work background was like nothing. But I worked on that stuff along the way while I applied. 



In PA there is an act called Act 235. I'm not an "expert" on this, but I do know some information about it to help me with this profession. This is an act by the government that allows PA state licensed security guards to carry weapons on duty at a security job. The gated communities that my company has patrols the area for crime and is kind of a "police officer" for that community. The ciations are civil fines and there is a choice on the officer to do the fine or warning. the fine are in range from about 25 to 100 depending on the act being committed. Also if the fines are not paid they go to our magistrate judge in the township to be adjudicated. Since it is a private community they can do what they think is needed to stop violators that put the community in harms way.

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Hmm...takes advice without complaint and explains his position/duties without resorting to foot stomping or chest pounding? This one shows promise...  

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MH557 says ...



Hmm...takes advice without complaint and explains his position/duties without resorting to foot stomping or chest pounding? This one shows promise...  



I guess I'm a very bad boy huh? I'm going to go sulk now since Santa is probably getting my coal ready lol.

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rescue101 says ...



MH557 says ...



Hmm...takes advice without complaint and explains his position/duties without resorting to foot stomping or chest pounding? This one shows promise...  



I guess I'm a very bad boy huh? I'm going to go sulk now since Santa is probably getting my coal ready lol.



 


Don't sulk. Plus you are too big to believe in Santa... unless he's real- then tell him to becareful when delivering my gifts ;). I've been a good girl... for the most part. ;)


Anyways, thanks for being humble and also just taking the advice, as advice, not a personal attack. that is refreshing that is for sure.


Always remember to keep that trait, it's rare and it's very graceful.


Enjoy yoru holidays and I hope everything works out for you.

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rescue101 says ...



MH557 says ...



Hmm...takes advice without complaint and explains his position/duties without resorting to foot stomping or chest pounding? This one shows promise...  



I guess I'm a very bad boy huh? I'm going to go sulk now since Santa is probably getting my coal ready lol.



Don't read too much into it, it was meant to be a compliment.....

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MH557 says ...



rescue101 says ...



MH557 says ...



Hmm...takes advice without complaint and explains his position/duties without resorting to foot stomping or chest pounding? This one shows promise...  



I guess I'm a very bad boy huh? I'm going to go sulk now since Santa is probably getting my coal ready lol.



Don't read too much into it, it was meant to be a compliment.....



Lol ok thanks.

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 I'm guessing the whole stopping people in a gated community is that of the community's policy and conduct for residents. If I was in my 70's and lived in one of those communites, I would just keep on driving. That being said, my suggestion for you is this. I understand the need to make money and what not, but you truly need to put out applications to get your name out there.

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 I'm guessing the whole stopping people in a gated community is that of the community's policy and conduct for residents. If I was in my 70's and lived in one of those communites, I would just keep on driving. That being said, my suggestion for you is this. I understand the need to make money and what not, but you truly need to put out applications to get your name out there.



Could not agree more. Just get your name out there, go ride with some of the departments. Get to know the officers and the supervisors.


You wouldn't go in there for a million bucks...A Cop does it for less...A Reserve does it for free....

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Thanks for the help everyone. Appreciate it!

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Ok just out of curiousity what color lights are on your patrol vehicle? If you are not an expert on ACT 235 I suggest you become an expert quickly because it sounds like what this company is telling you to do is illegal... In michigan we have something called Michigan PA 330 which allows security officers limited police powers only on thier property while on duty and in uniform (One of the malls in the area iss PA330 vested. It basically allows the Security "police" to arrest for retail frauds without having to bother the PD). And with PA 330 it is a STATE mandated ACT which means the State of Michigan oversees it. You have to go through an academy that is state regulated and be sworn in as a security police officer. But even with PA 330, they DO NOT conduct traffic stops. They may hand out parking tickets but thats it. It is just simply unsafe. You do not have the capability to run LEIN on somone so how do you know who you are dealing with. So say you stop a car and they do not have ID or Insurance? You have no idea who you are talking to. Then what call the police?? Yeah that will go over well.


I'm not trying ot shoot you down I just don't want you gettin ginto trouble. I worked security for 5 years and 3 as a supervisor so I feel your pain. When I was 19, 20, 21 I was on my high horse to do some kick A$$ police work also, but I relaized slow and steady wins the race. If you really want to get some good experience join a local PD reserve unit. Find a good one though where the LEOs appreciate the help. I'm currently a reserve in a really high crime city and the LEOs love us and treat us like part of the team, but we go through the same hiring process as the full timers, and an extensive academy and recieve great training so full timers know they can trust us not to be idiots (well most of us lol). I ride with a fully certified LEO friend of mine and get to do and see all of the police work I want to do and see and gain some amazing knowledge along the way. And on top of all of that in Mich as a reserve if you are working under the direction of a full time certified officer you have all of the police powers they have.. So you want to do traffic stops? Have at it!! Yeah you don't get paid but if you are looking for a resume builder, there isn't one much better.  


Just don't get in too deep it will happen for you. I am 26 now and wanted it to happen sooner for myself but it doesn't always work that way. I was able to finish school without taking out a loan and get some great experience. Funny how the doors start to open for you when you do things the right way. Good luck to you!


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Ok just out of curiousity what color lights are on your patrol vehicle? If you are not an expert on ACT 235 I suggest you become an expert quickly because it sounds like what this company is telling you to do is illegal... In michigan we have something called Michigan PA 330 which allows security officers limited police powers only on thier property while on duty and in uniform (One of the malls in the area iss PA330 vested. It basically allows the Security "police" to arrest for retail frauds without having to bother the PD). And with PA 330 it is a STATE mandated ACT which means the State of Michigan oversees it. You have to go through an academy that is state regulated and be sworn in as a security police officer. But even with PA 330, they DO NOT conduct traffic stops. They may hand out parking tickets but thats it. It is just simply unsafe. You do not have the capability to run LEIN on somone so how do you know who you are dealing with. So say you stop a car and they do not have ID or Insurance? You have no idea who you are talking to. Then what call the police?? Yeah that will go over well.


I'm not trying ot shoot you down I just don't want you gettin ginto trouble. I worked security for 5 years and 3 as a supervisor so I feel your pain. When I was 19, 20, 21 I was on my high horse to do some kick A$$ police work also, but I relaized slow and steady wins the race. If you really want to get some good experience join a local PD reserve unit. Find a good one though where the LEOs appreciate the help. I'm currently a reserve in a really high crime city and the LEOs love us and treat us like part of the team, but we go through the same hiring process as the full timers, and an extensive academy and recieve great training so full timers know they can trust us not to be idiots (well most of us lol). I ride with a fully certified LEO friend of mine and get to do and see all of the police work I want to do and see and gain some amazing knowledge along the way. And on top of all of that in Mich as a reserve if you are working under the direction of a full time certified officer you have all of the police powers they have.. So you want to do traffic stops? Have at it!! Yeah you don't get paid but if you are looking for a resume builder, there isn't one much better.  


Just don't get in too deep it will happen for you. I am 26 now and wanted it to happen sooner for myself but it doesn't always work that way. I was able to finish school without taking out a loan and get some great experience. Funny how the doors start to open for you when you do things the right way. Good luck to you!


Same thing here in South Carolina. All security guards have to go through a state regulated aproved training course to get certified. That certification is on a card they give you which details what your authority is on the back of that card. I do not know the statute right off hand but same as your state, we have the powers as security police BUT only on the clients property. Every company i've worked for, they take those powers away because of liability. I agree with you said Woody85, those traffic stops would not go over smooth at all. I see to many loop holes and problems happening. Take Woody85's advice, join a reserve unit if you can. I've been with one for two years now and there is nothing more exciting. 


Woody85, man you sound like my twin lol!! I was also in security for about 5 years, and I am also in a reserve unit here in SC. In which I am going through college right now to be able to go full time. LOL!


 



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The light colors are red and yellow. It's really weird, but PA has no state mandated training for security officers other than Act 235. From PSP website the Act 235 Provides for the training and licensing of watch guards, protective patrolmen, detectives and criminal investigators, carrying and using lethal weapons in their employment, imposing powers and duties on the Comissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police, and providing penalties.Absoulty, I see so many officer safety issues, however, it's is still legal since courts and such support it. When we stop cars it could be a killer from Arizona, but we wouldn't know this. The vehicle might also be stolen and in the back of the van the person may have 20 hostages that the security officer can't see. So, I certianly see where you are coming from. In addition, this is enforced on the community owners AND the outside public on the community roads. Lol, you two are my twins too haha. Iv'e been in security for four years and I'm in a unit for the local PD along with college full-time. It never ceases to amaze me at how different each state can be.


 


 


 

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No disrespect rescue101 but we are not twins.,, Far from it. Good luck with your company policies and try to stay out of the klink


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