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DUI on Record - Can I still get hired?

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I'm a 7ft tall professional male, trained in Mixed Martial Arts with a 1-0 record (Only fought to help one of my events). I've been self employed for the past ten years and am 33 years old. I've always known that if I ever stopped working for myself, I'd want to be a Police Officer.


However, I recently plead guilty to a DUI because I had a few drinks during an after event party. The State Trooper was just monitoring the roads at 2:30am and pulled me over because I apparently didn't slow down, but sped up 2 MPH while passing him which was uncommon. He was very nice and he offered to let me go if my fiance who was with me blew lower than I did. She blew double. At 7ft tall and 290lbs, he knew I was probably alright but I did blow a .011 or something. He told me it would get dropped down, but it wasn't. My lawyer even said he told the prosecutor that it was ok to drop it down and that I was "very polite and cooperative" but that didn't help.


They said they might drop it to a Wreckless if I enlisted in the Police Academy, but the police academy told me if I have a recent DUI, I'd probably never get hired on anywhere. Time was short so I opted to save myself the $5,000 for the academy and just plead to the DUI.


My question is, is there any chance for me as an officer?


It's something I've always wanted to do and know I'd be very good at it. Many friends of mine are local and federal officers some even train at my MMA gym and fight for me.


Do I have any options at all aside from a security guard?


Thank you.


 


 

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The legal limit for most states is .08.  Last I checked .011 was lower than that.


Something isn't adding up here...

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Jason_max50

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You are correct. It was probably .11


 

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Yes, you have a chance.  Maybe not right away, but as time goes by (how much time. . .I don't know, depends on the department),  in essence proving that this was just a once in a lifetime type of mistake, you should have no problem with most departments.  I'm not saying you won't have some sensitive questions to answer, but if you have legitimate answers ready for those questions AND there are no other MORE qualified candidates. . . . you should be hireable.  One thing to remember though, right now with the downturned economy, there are not a lot of openings available.


Good luck in your endeavors and KEEP YOUR NOSE CLEAN!


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I'm going to reserve calling this whole story "BS", ONLY.....because I don't know what state you're in and there may be some outside chance that there is a state so screwed up that this could actually happen, but there is no way it was in Florida! 

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Lulusgt says ...



I'm going to reserve calling this whole story "BS", ONLY.....because I don't know what state you're in and there may be some outside chance that there is a state so screwed up that this could actually happen, but there is no way it was in Florida! 



 


I agree.


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In New Jersey this would be a motor vehicle violation and if your record is otherwise clean and your driver's license intact (no suspension or passed the suspension period) it wouldn't exclude you. You probably would have to explain it several times through the hiring process, though. 


We've hired people with very colorful driving records (and even some with prior mental health issues) who turned out to be among the finer members of the department.


I think the more pressing issue to be concerned about is your height. At 7 ft tall you're going to find it difficult to fit in a marked radio patrol unit. They aren't very comfortable for the average person with all the equipment inside (radio console, shotgun racks, prisoner partitions, etc). Getting your big frame in behind the steering wheel will be a challenge.


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Jason_max50

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It happened in Clermont County, Ohio.


None of it is BS I assure you. I wouldn't waste my time posting this here.

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Also remember when you are applying to be honest. Don't try to hide what happened or you will be disqualifed for certain.

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If you are in Oklahoma, then yes you still qualify as long as it is your only DUI and it was a misdomenor.  My suggestion if your in oklahoma is to apply as a reserve.  If you get hired then attend the cops program at your local college or university that offers it.  Once you have completed the cops program, you can challenge the state certification for a full time police officer.  The only other way is to get hired full time by an agency and have them send you to the academy in ADA, OK, good luck getting that done.  99% of the agencies out there, WILL NOT HIRE non certified officers and you cant get sent to the academy if your not hired.  Its a catch 22.


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BigNTS. Why not allow the OP a convertible unit?

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BigNTS, thank you for your comment. At least there is hope and I do agree with your rationale.


A friend of mine is a local Sherriff who is also pretty big but he cruises an  Explorer SUV. I own a Mercedez and a Tahoe and I fit on both just fine. A little Ford card or something may pose a problem. Maybe if I got hired I could make a deal to convert my Tahoe! :)

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mmabigshow says ...



BigNTS, thank you for your comment. At least there is hope and I do agree with your rationale.


A friend of mine is a local Sherriff who is also pretty big but he cruises an  Explorer SUV. I own a Mercedez and a Tahoe and I fit on both just fine. A little Ford card or something may pose a problem. Maybe if I got hired I could make a deal to convert my Tahoe! :)



Part of the problem is when they add the shields inside the scout car. . . .that shield does not allow the seats to slide back all the way, nor recline.


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uncledennis1 says ...



BigNTS. Why not allow the OP a convertible unit?



I can see it now...and he's got a helmet with the old fashioned cherry on top!


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It's being done in England.


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Just a question for the OP. Say the scenario was transposed, and you were the officer? Let's spice up the scenario a bit and you realize it's a family member. IMO, you would be sympathetic to Drivers over the limit. I sincerely hope I'm wrong on this, B/C (imo) I think DUI's probably kill more innocent people then Guns do.


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You can try to get on with a small department and as others have said be honest with them up front . So good luck hope it works out for you

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I'm confused.  You say the officer offered you a chance to proceed home if your fiance blew more than you?  Why would he be interested in her BAC if she were a passenger?  Was he finessing you to cooperate?  I don't get it.


Plus, if she blew twice what you blew, that's .22.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems like an awful lot to me! 


How did you get her out of your car?? lol

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I had aready taken the breath test so there was no need to finnese me. I honestly think he was looking for an excuse not to charge me.


When he took us to his station I cant honestly remember if he even handcuffed me. I know I sat in front. He was very friendly and drove us to our house and dropped us off. We commented on how nice he was and he just said, "if you're nice to me, I'm nice to you." but I knew then as I know now that he has a job to do. I drank a few, I drove. I wasn't really drunk but it wasn't a good move regardless.


I've explained this situation to others and they act like I'm caught in the Twilight Zone or something. It was honestly the most positive situation for such a negative circumstance.


 

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mmabigshow says ...



I had aready taken the breath test so there was no need to finnese me. I honestly think he was looking for an excuse not to charge me.


When he took us to his station I cant honestly remember if he even handcuffed me. I know I sat in front. He was very friendly and drove us to our house and dropped us off. We commented on how nice he was and he just said, "if you're nice to me, I'm nice to you." but I knew then as I know now that he has a job to do. I drank a few, I drove. I wasn't really drunk but it wasn't a good move regardless.


I've explained this situation to others and they act like I'm caught in the Twilight Zone or something. It was honestly the most positive situation for such a negative circumstance.


 



 


Well, I'm confused here. I am 6 1" 200lbs, you are a lot bigger. You would have to have had more than "a few" to blow .11, you "were really drunk".


"I couldn't even remember if he handcuffed me". Well that just about sums it up. Either you have a medical condition that one of the symptoms is memory loss or YOU WERE DRUNK!  You can try to use alternate words to ease your conscience or elicit sympathy or the answer you want to hear from us.  We are all responsible for our actions. They define our character.  Thank GOD you did not kill anybody that night. Or would you have even remembered?


""Life is a storm.. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes"
Alexander Dumas-The Count of Monte Christo

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It was almost 6 months ago, at 2:30am after one of my fight shows which are always a blur because they are very stressful and yes, I had approx 3 drinks of Vodka/Cranberry. We had one large bottle at our table which was shared amongst 8 or 10 of us. I dont remember every single detail accurately.


Thank you all for your comments.

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This story is......


Like lulu I will reserve any BS claims. I wasn't there. I guess you got lucky b/c I don't know anyone of my brothers who will go out of their way to try and get you out of a DUI and home safely just because they are that jolly.


You can still get into LE, it will just backtrack your plans for awhile. Stay out of trouble.


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Dunno what one of your "fight shows" is, mmbigshow, but now I am not so confused about your story.  


To a law-abiding civilian the definitive, very final ratchet of handcuffs is reality slamming down on his life. The State has just removed his freedom and he is now destined to be placed in a cage.


It is a sound louder than cannon fire.     


NOBODY forgets being cuffed unless they are spang in the middle of a black-out.  Even the deadest, snotfaced drunken repeat offender mumbling and drooling "AWWW SHEE***T!!"  has to maintain a particular posture while being hauled away from the scene so as to prevent coming back on his cuffed wrists against the seat back.  To prevent bruises.


Conversely, a man who is NOT cuffed harbors hope he has NOT been arrested.  He is in a suspended state.  He wonders at what point handcuffs may be used.  The longer the absence of cuffs, the greater his incredible lightness of being that says, "PLEASE DEAR JESUS AM I GETTING OFF THE HOOK??!!"


Neither of these are forgettable experiences.  Not the next day.  Not in six months.  Not in sixty years.


You claim you were not drunk.  Yet finding yourself cuffed or not cuffed in this life-changing, career-goal altering occurence somehow escaped your attention enough to make this (lock and) 'key' experience somehow...forgettable?  Forgettable even to a "young professional" who is "trained in mixed martial arts" and planning a career in law enforcement?  How on earth could you 'forget' something so significant to your life?


This civilian is calling bullshit on this one.


 

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mmabigshow says ...



I had aready taken the breath test so there was no need to finnese me. I honestly think he was looking for an excuse not to charge me.


When he took us to his station I cant honestly remember if he even handcuffed me. I know I sat in front. He was very friendly and drove us to our house and dropped us off. We commented on how nice he was and he just said, "if you're nice to me, I'm nice to you." but I knew then as I know now that he has a job to do. I drank a few, I drove. I wasn't really drunk but it wasn't a good move regardless.


I've explained this situation to others and they act like I'm caught in the Twilight Zone or something. It was honestly the most positive situation for such a negative circumstance.


 



OMG! Now you're saying the same officer that supposedly arrested you, drove you and your fiance' home and dropped you off? I can't believe this thread has not been trashed out and flushed!

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ok where to even start with this.  first you say that you blew a .011.  i dont think that there is an Officer anywhere in the world that is going to take a .011 to court.  its either a .11 or there is more to it.  also, if you have so many "friends" that are local and federal officers, wouldnt they be able to answer this question for ya?  i would think so.  as far at your attorney telling the procecutor not charge you or to let the charge get dropped down, well that is an attorneys job.  its how they make money.    i have never, ever known an Officer to look for an excuse not to charge anyone.  if its my call or traffic stop, i make the decision to arrest or not.  i do not need to look for a reason not to charge someone.  fellow Officers can give advice and lend a hand, but if its mine - its mine.  just like if it was theirs.  none of us need an excuse not to arrest.


LASTLY ...... and follow me close here - lay off the drugs!!  now i hate to speak for all of the Officers in all 50 states, but there is absolutely no way in h*ll that you got stopped and were questioned for suspicion of driving under the influence, not handcuffed, and placed in the front seat of this cruiser and taken home!  i dont care how big you are, how nice you were, nothing!!  it just aint so!     


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LASTLY ...... and follow me close here - lay off the drugs!!  now i hate to speak for all of the Officers in all 50 states, but there is absolutely no way in h*ll that you got stopped and were questioned for suspicion of driving under the influence, not handcuffed, and placed in the front seat of this cruiser and taken home!  i dont care how big you are, how nice you were, nothing!!  it just aint so!     



 


I agree. I missed that one in his post.


""Life is a storm.. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes"
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This is starting to get comical.


I dont know how things are where you all work, but I assure you everything I said in my posts are true.


I dont know if this has anything to do with things but I am also a Freemason, which is displayed on my license plates. The officer never mentioned it but I assume it may be possible that played a role. As far as the pyshcology behind the handcuffs and such, yes, I can see how that would affect some people but nothing about the event was that dramatic. Thinking about it, I think he may have cufffed me, stuck me in the front and then took them off at his post and they didnt go back on all night. I did ride in front while my fiance was in the back. I'm 7ft, she is 5'1.


Now, let me ask you all something. For what cause or reason would I come here to your forums, put myself out there (you can find out who I am in 2 seconds with a little "investigation" and read the reports yourself I assume, you have enough clues), just to lie about anything at all in hopes of getting an honest response to the reason for coming here in the first place?


It makes no sense.


I understand some of you enjoy putting the fear of God into people and are well versed into the psychological affects of your every action. I also understand that my situation and story may come off as completely far fetched to some who would never dream of handling a situation in such a civil manner when you don't have to. What I said was the truth, plain and simple and I respectfully came here to find out what my options may be.


Was I too drunk to drive? According to the state law, I was. I plead to the charge and am taking my licks.


Now, I could argue in circles here with you all but it serves me no purpose. I'm not on trial here nor am I making excuses for being charged with the OVI. I came here to find out if my chances in law enforcement are finished because of my mistake. The fact is, I'm one of the most standup people many of you will find and having someone like me watching your back is something you would appreciate in a time of need. 


Since it's obvious this thread is devolving, I'll leave you to it.


To those of you who have offered sound advice be it here or in private messaging, Thank you very much.


Best.

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Dude you need to get off your high horse. Really.


The story is absurd. Like I said maybe it happened. But I don't think one of us here thinks it did. And now you wanna throw out that you are a freemason and you are a stand up guy. Good for you. You want a round of applause from us? Go look somewhere else.


We may have came off harsh, but just because this is the internet doesn't mean we turn off our analytical minds. We are trained to search for the facts. Your story doesn't add up. We WILL NOT sugarcoat that fact. You came on here looking for advice, but you expected us to look past these flimiscal details?


We lose brothers everyday in the line of duty. We will not laugh around the fact that you are 7'1 and some cop let you chill in the front of his car uncuffed, trying to find a way to get you out of a DUI.


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