Matthew 24:36 - But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Jesus said it best.

Romans_116 says ...

Cool,

All I'm going to say is that if you really do care about the truth, then seek it. I can tell you have read some scriptures, but I don't believe it was to decide whether or not they are true. I think you may have had that pressuposition beforehand. Maybe I'm wrong.

I also see that you have not taken my advice and reviewed the principle of contradiction by Aristotle. Oh well, I tried.

Matthew and John were disciples. You're right they weren't eyewitnesses....wait a minute.

I never said I was the first "true" Christian. Maybe I'm the first "true" Christian you've encountered. If so, I'm flattered. I will quote you " People of faith have absolutely no problem evaluating the reasonableness or efficacy of any religious book or faith but their own." This is a stereotype. You have continuously painted Christians in a negative light as egotistical, narrow-minded, violent people of faith. If that is your idea of a Christian then hopefully I enlighten you. I would love to show you what a true Christian is all about. I love you brother! And that's the truth, no lie. I love you because God loves you, and before I loved anyone else he first loved me. True Christians love. They teach and they edify. They build people up. They do not kill. And they are not blind reason-less robots.

I wasn't trying to start a creationism debate. Only to show you that no matter what position you hold, Atheist or Theist, you gonna have to give what you call a "magical" answer. Thanks for your honesty though. It is a question that holds great weight and should no be overlooked.

I also want to add the bible was not written to be a historical textbook of events that happened in the past. It is a theological book. It doesnt need supplemental book and records to confirm what it says. Just like the biography of Frederick Douglas does not need supplemental data for it to be deemed as reliable. It is a story of what happened. The bible is a love story.

Sorry, the resurrection of the dead is only for those who believe. My God will not be MOCKED! He is patient...storing up his wrath. Sooner or later we'll see who is right. Me personally, I'd rather be on the winning side.

I'm sorry, I haven't been looking at this; are we really having a "Is there a God" discussion on Police Link?

po0131 says ...

Romans_116 says ...

Cool,

All I'm going to say is that if you really do care about the truth, then seek it. I can tell you have read some scriptures, but I don't believe it was to decide whether or not they are true. I think you may have had that pressuposition beforehand. Maybe I'm wrong.

I also see that you have not taken my advice and reviewed the principle of contradiction by Aristotle. Oh well, I tried.

Matthew and John were disciples. You're right they weren't eyewitnesses....wait a minute.

I never said I was the first "true" Christian. Maybe I'm the first "true" Christian you've encountered. If so, I'm flattered. I will quote you " People of faith have absolutely no problem evaluating the reasonableness or efficacy of any religious book or faith but their own." This is a stereotype. You have continuously painted Christians in a negative light as egotistical, narrow-minded, violent people of faith. If that is your idea of a Christian then hopefully I enlighten you. I would love to show you what a true Christian is all about. I love you brother! And that's the truth, no lie. I love you because God loves you, and before I loved anyone else he first loved me. True Christians love. They teach and they edify. They build people up. They do not kill. And they are not blind reason-less robots.

I wasn't trying to start a creationism debate. Only to show you that no matter what position you hold, Atheist or Theist, you gonna have to give what you call a "magical" answer. Thanks for your honesty though. It is a question that holds great weight and should no be overlooked.

I also want to add the bible was not written to be a historical textbook of events that happened in the past. It is a theological book. It doesnt need supplemental book and records to confirm what it says. Just like the biography of Frederick Douglas does not need supplemental data for it to be deemed as reliable. It is a story of what happened. The bible is a love story.

Sorry, the resurrection of the dead is only for those who believe. My God will not be MOCKED! He is patient...storing up his wrath. Sooner or later we'll see who is right. Me personally, I'd rather be on the winning side.

I'm sorry, I haven't been looking at this; are we really having a "Is there a God" discussion on Police Link?

Whats wrong with that?

Romans_116 says ...

po0131 says ...

Romans_116 says ...

Cool,

All I'm going to say is that if you really do care about the truth, then seek it. I can tell you have read some scriptures, but I don't believe it was to decide whether or not they are true. I think you may have had that pressuposition beforehand. Maybe I'm wrong.

I also see that you have not taken my advice and reviewed the principle of contradiction by Aristotle. Oh well, I tried.

Matthew and John were disciples. You're right they weren't eyewitnesses....wait a minute.

I never said I was the first "true" Christian. Maybe I'm the first "true" Christian you've encountered. If so, I'm flattered. I will quote you " People of faith have absolutely no problem evaluating the reasonableness or efficacy of any religious book or faith but their own." This is a stereotype. You have continuously painted Christians in a negative light as egotistical, narrow-minded, violent people of faith. If that is your idea of a Christian then hopefully I enlighten you. I would love to show you what a true Christian is all about. I love you brother! And that's the truth, no lie. I love you because God loves you, and before I loved anyone else he first loved me. True Christians love. They teach and they edify. They build people up. They do not kill. And they are not blind reason-less robots.

I wasn't trying to start a creationism debate. Only to show you that no matter what position you hold, Atheist or Theist, you gonna have to give what you call a "magical" answer. Thanks for your honesty though. It is a question that holds great weight and should no be overlooked.

I also want to add the bible was not written to be a historical textbook of events that happened in the past. It is a theological book. It doesnt need supplemental book and records to confirm what it says. Just like the biography of Frederick Douglas does not need supplemental data for it to be deemed as reliable. It is a story of what happened. The bible is a love story.

Sorry, the resurrection of the dead is only for those who believe. My God will not be MOCKED! He is patient...storing up his wrath. Sooner or later we'll see who is right. Me personally, I'd rather be on the winning side.

I'm sorry, I haven't been looking at this; are we really having a "Is there a God" discussion on Police Link?

Whats wrong with that?

There's nothing wrong with it, per se; I would just think that most on here(myself included) do not doubt the existence of the Almighty, as we see his influence each and every day.  I personally believe anyone on a predominantly LEO website who starts picking on Christians is asking for trouble.  However, I do enjoy a good biblical discussion now and then, so have at it!  Like I said in my earlier post, Jesus said NO man knoweth the hour, so when some idiot says the world's ending next Tuesday, it's not going to happen.

Actually, this thread started out as a general call for member's opinions on 'predictions'.  It evolved into a validity of religious sources debate.

Whenever an argument boils down to faith, it always becomes a circular debate.

Meantime...

"Before enlightenment, fetching a pail of water.  After enlightenment, fetching a pail of water."

Zen Proverb

OK.  You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.  If someone wants to put their faith in something other than God, that's their business.  I just don't see why they argue with believers if they think they are right.  Just go on about your business and let me go about mine.  However, I will pray for you, and you can't do anything about that.

StrykerBrig21 says ...

mmmm says ...

since everyone is getting all theological I pose this question.  If you are not a christian can you still get into heaven?  I believe the christians will say no.  Then how can this be?  What happened to all the people who lived on the earth before christ?  And again other religions believe whatever it is, hindu, jewish, or whatever.  These other faiths believe they are correct.  So how do you, as a christion, #1 know your beliefs are the right beliefs?  #2 What happened to the people before christianity?  I have always been fasinated with the staunch beliefs of religions. 

I believe that if heaven actually exists ( I'm not so sure) how you live your life will be the test of admittance and your religious beliefes are of no consequence.

Yes that is true, if you do not believe and have faith that Jesus Christ died on the cross at Calvary, was buried in a tomb, and arose again on the 3rd day that you will not get into heaven, as well as believeing that you are a sinner and that Christ paid for sins on that cross. The people who lived on the earth before Christ still had the option of believing in Him and going to heaven. Those that didn't went to hell. I believe that Noah and his family tried to reach the people. Those that reject the Lord will not enter into heaven. The problem with other religions is that you have to "do" something to get into heaven. You have to be good, do good deeds, believe in false gods. That is all wrong, the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only God and that the only way to heaven is through him. 

Heaven really does exist  brother, I hate for you to find out the hard way. God does not look over your life and say your good out ways your bad so you can enter heaven. 

Please go read John chapter 3.  And also go read this website. 

http://www.chick.com/information/general/salvation.asp

Soo you believe that If I am jewish and a fine I can't get into heaven. Period.  If I'm a serial killer and a christian I can?  Then what's the point of the ten commandments?

mmmm you are right a  * TRUE* believer will not waiver in their beliefs...you also have some outstanding views......noone knows whose beliefs are correct I  think the unknowledged ones would be  considered the same as children... In the bible it speaks specifically of those that DENY his existence not those uneducated..... just my thoughts...

Dayngerus,

You speak of what you do not know, nor do you understand. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

A true Christian is not egotistical, thinking he is God's chose favortive because God has no favorites. Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism. 1 Timothy 2: 3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I'm not any more, or any less special than you.

It is not egotistical that I know the will of the creator. Nothing is stopping you from knowing it either. Pick it up and read it if you would like. No one is holding a gun to your head. Nor mine for that matter.

In terms those who reject Jesus, yes they are doomed. Matthew 10:33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. God will not force himself on anyone. You live without Jesus, you die without Jesus. The choice is yours. How is that egotistical?

You are also incorrect in your assumption that those who do not hear the gospel message is doomed as well. Everyone will have their chance to accept Jesus. You already had yours. So after you die, it will be too late. No second chances. God is a righteous judge. He will judge each of us according to what we know.

Aristotle is actually interesting. Most of the other philsophers barely make any sense. I would highly recommend it.

Dayngerus says ...

Romans_116 says ...

Dayngerus, You speak of what you do not know, nor do you understand. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. A true Christian is not egotistical, thinking he is God's chose favortive because God has no favorites. Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism. 1 Timothy 2: 3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I'm not any more, or any less special than you. It is not egotistical that I know the will of the creator. Nothing is stopping you from knowing it either. Pick it up and read it if you would like. No one is holding a gun to your head. Nor mine for that matter. In terms those who reject Jesus, yes they are doomed. Matthew 10:33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. God will not force himself on anyone. You live without Jesus, you die without Jesus. The choice is yours. How is that egotistical? You are also incorrect in your assumption that those who do not hear the gospel message is doomed as well. Everyone will have their chance to accept Jesus. You already had yours. So after you die, it will be too late. No second chances. God is a righteous judge. He will judge each of us according to what we know. Aristotle is actually interesting. Most of the other philsophers barely make any sense. I would highly recommend it.

"One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish." Dr. Seuess

I can quote literature as well and just as convincingly. You can either have an intelligent conversation, or endlessly recite babble. I prefer the former.

My bad.

I was under the assumption that we were having an "intelligent" conversation about the Christian faith. Since it is heavily dependent upon the bible, I assumed I could quote it.

But if you insist on reducing the teachings of the bible to mere "green eggs & ham" AND insist on us playin in your field of what you deem to be "intelligent" then I will leave you be. You will not receive any more "literature" quotes from me. You can believe whatever you want to about God and Christians.

Anyways, thanks for the convo and keeping it civil. I hope I did the same for you.

Romans_116 says ...

Dayngerus says ...

Romans_116 says ...

Dayngerus, You speak of what you do not know, nor do you understand. 1 Corinthians 2:13-14 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. A true Christian is not egotistical, thinking he is God's chose favortive because God has no favorites. Romans 2:11 For God does not show favoritism. 1 Timothy 2: 3-4 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. I'm not any more, or any less special than you. It is not egotistical that I know the will of the creator. Nothing is stopping you from knowing it either. Pick it up and read it if you would like. No one is holding a gun to your head. Nor mine for that matter. In terms those who reject Jesus, yes they are doomed. Matthew 10:33 but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven. God will not force himself on anyone. You live without Jesus, you die without Jesus. The choice is yours. How is that egotistical? You are also incorrect in your assumption that those who do not hear the gospel message is doomed as well. Everyone will have their chance to accept Jesus. You already had yours. So after you die, it will be too late. No second chances. God is a righteous judge. He will judge each of us according to what we know. Aristotle is actually interesting. Most of the other philsophers barely make any sense. I would highly recommend it.

"One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish." Dr. Seuess

I can quote literature as well and just as convincingly. You can either have an intelligent conversation, or endlessly recite babble. I prefer the former.

My bad.

I was under the assumption that we were having an "intelligent" conversation about the Christian faith. Since it is heavily dependent upon the bible, I assumed I could quote it.

But if you insist on reducing the teachings of the bible to mere "green eggs & ham" AND insist on us playin in your field of what you deem to be "intelligent" then I will leave you be. You will not receive any more "literature" quotes from me. You can believe whatever you want to about God and Christians.

Anyways, thanks for the convo and keeping it civil. I hope I did the same for you.

We were having an intelligent conversation, until you introduced scripture as if that were the deciding factor for what is real or true. I could with equal veracity cherry-pick quotations of various books of the same bible to support any number of beliefs or opinions. This has been done before and easily explains the various multitude of denominations and sects within the christian faith. It proves nothing. I am no more convinced by the mere recitations anymore than you are swayed by the poetic ramblings of the children's book author.

Thank you for the permission to believe what I want. I will continue to be guided by reason and not chart the course of my life by the ramblings of some unknown authors of religious fiction.

Though we'll all regret it the next day, I will bring bbq beans, I know a place that has fantastic bbq style beans.

Who's gonna work the grill? I will entrust my bologna only into the most of gifted hands..

Well since I am italian I volunteer to bring some spaghetti, cavatini, and the italian sausages!! And since I don't drink alcohol, i'll bring some ibc root beer. And i'll bring some jamz!! What music choices does everyone want? 

Dave, if we are going to play disco then you HAVE to get up and dance.

How 'bout some Boyz II Men "Motown Philly"