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I'm very new at all of this but please bear with me.  Can you proceed with an arrest when during a drug raid, (no one was at home)  a lock box is found unknown to the C.I.  The lock box contains the persons Drivers Lic, misc. letters addressed to the subject and finger prints again of the same subject.  It also contained over 3 ounces of Meth, baggies, small and large, used and unused, a "smelly bag,"  used Meth pipe and scales.  Would  another C.I. have to buy or can an arrest warrant be issued just with the contents of that box alone.

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Before others get ya.


You broke one of the PoliceLink Commandments.


In order to get better responses, your first post should be an introduction.


Give us a little bio.


Next, you must realize we get this kind of question all the time.


If the subject is you or a 'friend' it sounds like a question for a lawyer.


I hope you the best of luck.


p.s. if you were on the drugs, I hope you go to rehab.

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Ya I have to agree, not real comfortable answering this one. My suggestion is study up on supreme court cases and the Amendments.

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Let me try to help....go to the top of this page. On the top of the page, on the right side you will see a box that says "search" inside of it. Click here and type in "does prior drug use" (without the quotation marks) in the box. Then go to the tab next to the box, click on it, and select "discussions" from the drop down menu. This will take you to a discussion that should answer your question. Just click on the topic "Does prior drug use automatically disqualify you from an LE career? Check here before you ask in the threads!"


We all look forward to seeing your introduction posted and I hope this is helpful!


 


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Interesting first post. I am guessing a one post wonder.

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mpd_943 says ...



Let me try to help....go to the top of this page. On the top of the page, on the right side you will see a box that says "search" inside of it. Click here and type in "does prior drug use" (without the quotation marks) in the box. Then go to the tab next to the box, click on it, and select "discussions" from the drop down menu. This will take you to a discussion that should answer your question. Just click on the topic "Does prior drug use automatically disqualify you from an LE career? Check here before you ask in the threads!"


We all look forward to seeing your introduction posted and I hope this is helpful!


 



Don't think this is what he is after, think his question would best be answered by a lawyer, probably his best bet would be the county prosecuting attorney or a county judge.

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As the others have said, kindly post an Introduction in the "Itroductions" area. I am NOT a LEO, so legal advise is not my expertise.


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Doc


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OK,,OK.  Hello I'm new on this site as well as new to computers and need I say, to the  drug world also.  My name is Susan and I'm retired at 62.  My question pertains to my son and his girlfriend.  I did not know he was dealing drugs until to late to effect a change in his behavior.  I also wasn't aware of the depth of his addiction.  The CI did the buy but was not aware of the girlfriend or her lock box. The girlfriend had what I thought was a swing shift job somewhere in the city. ( R I G H T.)  My son and his GF were not at home when the bust happened but I was.  They did not arrest me however, (thank God) even though I owned the home.The  officers were very kind and professional and took extra time in explaining things to me.   The lock box was hers and I have often wondered if they are looking for her.  Needless to say she sent friends of hers to gather her things as she never returned to this house nor do I have any idea where she is.  (good riddance)  I know nothing about the law but have become very intrigued after reading a lot of higher courts and Supreme Courts decisions and rulings.  It just seems to me the Police Department has ample probable cause to go forward with a warrant.  I just can't find notations on something like this. I should mention that they found her ID and mail in her name contained within the lock box.  But I think I mentioned that in the first post.  Thanks for your input.  I'm planning on other post but I must say I'm a bit red faced over this one.  lol lol  Thanks again


Susan

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Hmmmm.........the first post says nobody was home yet the second post says you were home. I am certain you are trying to say the police executed a search warrant for the home. As far as any lock box, either (A) it was open "plain-view doctrine" or (B) it was part of the search warrant known to contain the drugs/contraband. If I am the parent/guardian of someone meddling in meth I would be extremely happy if the police took the little hoodlum out of my home. The hell with folks like that and you are most certainly lucky not to have been locked up. Yes a warrant was probably already issued for the arrest of both youngins. They should know better than to waste their lives on that garbage.


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Just a hunch........ sounds like a fishing expedition.  It also sounds like the parties involved (son, girlfriend and or maybe even the OP) need to speak with an attorney.  We do not give legal counsel here.

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Call a lawyer and ask him/her your question.  LEOs on this site will not critique, condemn or comment on the actions of other LEOs based upon iinformation provided by the arrestee, or a family member or "Friend" of the arrestee (or the person who was stopped, searched, house was searched, car was searched, etc, etc, etc).  Laws vary from state to state and that has a direct impact upon what actions can, or cannot be taken legally.


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Again, thanks for the pointers to a lawyer.  The sugestion of the D.A. also sounds like a good one too.  An yes, I'm very thankful but very sorry that it had to come to this but I now have my son back and sober.  He is now capable of saying  a heart felt thank you to the officers as he says, "they saved my life."  Something I never thought he would say.  At the worst of times, things have a way of turning into blessings.   Just know the job you do DOES work for the greater good.   


Susan 

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I have to say that I am very leary of your statement I got my son back sober. Reason being as a sister of an addict it is never that easy. Without long term treatment the chance of him staying sober are small. My sister claimed many times she was clean after arrest. It is a life long battle. It sounded to me like he was doing some pretty hard drugs. My sister moved from meth to crack to heroin. Good luck to you and don`t let your guard down.

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Bump Retleo on this one.

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The original question had to do with the OP's questioning the legal validity of the search.  She proceeds to ojust be very happy and satisfied that she now has her son back and that he is sober............. I AM CALLING B.S. ON THIS ONE.

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Um.  What BRIGHT LIGHT arranges THIS in a lock box so when police do a search they will find:


1.  Driver's license


2.  Fingerprints of the person shown in the driver's license.


3.   Letters addressed to the person shown in the driver's license.


4.   3 oz. Meth


5.   Drug use and sales paraphenalia to include - 


               Pipe with residue


               Scales


                Different-sized baggies (w and w/o residue)


 


WHAT IS THAT???  A green tweaker's 'Bust Me Box' ??


Wait.  I forgot.  It's Scared Straight Sonny Boy's Bust Me Box.  A manlet who's soooo glad his 62 yo Mommy understands him.


Now isn't THAT a daisy.



 


 

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Really?  Stashing id, fingerprints, dope and paraphenalia is the same box is a common modus operandi for drug dealers?  Can you detail further?


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It's common.  All the important stuff in one "secure" place.  People have been doing that for a very long time.


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Uhh, not so sure about that one bud.  I mean, I know criminals are dumb by nature, but THAT dumb?

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Stashing their ID w/ their illegal drugs in a lockbox/safe, whatever... first I hear of it being common, but then again it doesn't make sense, so no common sense... ah, yes, now it makes perfect sense. 






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Top_Cat. Like MarlyB I would also like details on your last comment. I await your response.

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The original question had to do with the OP's questioning the legal validity of the search.  She proceeds to ojust be very happy and satisfied that she now has her son back and that he is sober............. I AM CALLING B.S. ON THIS ONE.



I can totally see where you would read that into the posts. I refered her here (she is my mom) because what she is interested in is... do they have enough to go after an indictment on the GF. She was very lucky that she didn't go being the owner of the house. However, If you read the CI's statement he told the officers that no one else in the home seemed to have any involvement or knowldge. It is also interesting that with all the evidence that they have aginst her they have not issued a warrent for her arrest as of yet but this could be due to the fact that it is still after almost two years an on going investigation. I think that really mom is really just asking about the evidence in the case and if there is enough. 


The police were awesome to my mom the chief sat with her during the raid and consoled her, they took time out to explain things to her. They, what can I say they were awesome! So there are no hard feeling for the men and woman that went above and beyond for her at the most heartbreaking  moment in her life.  


I had no way of answering her question because of the strange dynamic of the case. That is why I refered her to all of you because more heads are better than one. Also with all of you working in the field everyday have the experience that I do not have as of yet! Thank to all for your time and attenation in this manner. 


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And yes guys and gals that girl was that dumb...I met her once and was not impressed at all! On top of that we found out after the raid that she had gone down for forgery of government docs, and had been dealing meth for a little while (aprox 5 months). But still I guess it is all in a dope addled mind! As my grandma always said thats why they call it dope it makes you real dumb!


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This thread whould be moved to Judge Link. We cannot issue warrents only ask for one and a judge has to sign it if he is provided enough evidence. The entire question boils down to we cannot and should not answer the question due to lack of first hand knowledge of the case.


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This reeking thread should be renamed "The Norman Bates Bust Me Lock Box Full of Worms".


The OP doesn't exist.  With or without the telltale wig.


Somebody just wants to know if the police can still pursue a case years after they take the stash box out of the house.  


You know, the stash box with the dope bag stapled to the ID and fingerprints?  So the 'important stuff' doesn't get lost?


 


 

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I wish I could stay and debate this case but I have to go to Toys-R-Us and buy a new set of screwdrivers.


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Alright, I'll try one more time...Please go to my facebook pages I'm not ashamed to be "public."  (sqray 59/facebook) I really am 62 y/o and a very naive for my age.  I will follow the advice I have been given but cannot afford an attorney.  So, the prosecutors sounds like the best source. And thank you to Meff and Redlight.  I do understand about your not being able to give advice.  Maybe if I fill in some of the blank spots it might settle all of this as I'm not spinning B.S.  I also will add at this time my daughter is also a real person and NOT doing these posts.   She said you could go to her profile and check her out.


The local PD did a good investigation and did a "legal" search with a warrant after a CI buy.  My son's girlfriend was never seen by any of my son's buyers and the lock box of hers was always hidden.  The local police knew where everything was placed in my son's room so I don't "think" they knew about her lock box.   The warrant only said, "a large amount of Meth," and appeared to me to mean my son's box.   I'll also add my son had never been in trouble before other than traffic ticket.  An I'm no fool to think I don't need to watch him and "support" him with his decisions.  As far as my statement , "I have my son back," I only meant that on the drug he was awful with his manner of speaking and tone of conversations.  I considered him lost to me as his mother.  He is back to his usual (optimistic) self, someone that I can at least be in the same room with.  And I DID want to send a thank you letter to the local P.D. but after these post I guess I will nix that idea.  Both my son AND I consider it a blessing that he was arrested and had to face the consequences for his illegal behavior as without it he or someone else might be dead.   And I DO THANK the offercers who stopped him from all of this, as strange as thast may sound. 


In ending this I will again state I did not know of the dealing that was going on until just before the search warrant was searved, as his "cover" was he had taken up repairing guitars which was a believable cover and no one came after 7/8 P.M.   I do totally understand some of the "jaded" views in the post, as I would imagine in dealing with the clientel you have to deal on a daily basis with it's easier to come from the position of, HELL NAWW.   BTW, what did the post mean about the "wig?"


Susan


 


 


 

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Rate This | Posted about 3 years ago

 

It is hard to understand what you are asking.


Can a warrent still be issued? Yes.


Can we tell you it will be ok? No.


Check to see if there is legal aid in your area. They can give you free advice that they have training for.


If your son has been charged and cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed to him. He can give your son advice.


If you are charged then the same can go for you.


Some answers we just cannot give and are not qualified to give.


 


 


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Thank you again Meff I DO understand.  Both my daughter and I DID get offended at our integrety being questioned but I do know sometimes truth IS stranger than fiction.  lol lol  An yes I had not thought of Legal Aid.  My son is still incarated so no I was not ,nor have I tried, nor did he try to get out of this.  His statement was always, "no one twister my arm, I did it so let's get on with it."   Thank you for your kind  and truthful response.    Susan

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So sorry Meff I did not answer your question.  All I was asking was," is that enough evidence to obtain a warrant."

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