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Poll: Should parents who do not report when their child is missing be charged with a crime?

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 NOT reporting the disapperance of a child just boggles my mind. How can a parent/guardian not report that their child is missing?


In more cases likely the parent/guardian has something to hide. Not reporting the death of a child... I have no words to describe this....


As a parent of 2 children, if my child had just died, I would be inconsolable.


There most certainly needs to be laws in every state covering the reporting of missing children, or the death of a child.


Personally I think 24 hours is to long to report that a child has gone missing. An hour to report the death of a child?


probably to long also.


WE NEED CAYLEES LAW TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN WHO'S FAMILIES FAIL TO DO THE PROTECTING.


This would have given litte Caylee a little more justice that she got.


Go to change.org and sign the online petition for Caylees law. Show the world we care more than her mother did.


We Love You Caylee.

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For the jury to come back without some form of punishment for Casey Anthony boggles my mind. For the prosecution to swing for the fences instead of charging for something that can be proven in court also boggles my mind. Her child is missing for 31 days, she is out partying. She admits to the child drowning in the pool. You are telling me the prosecution didn't know that information beforehand? BS. The prosecution knew everything the defense knew well in advance of this glorified, over-televised OJ redux. Why the media was so fascinated by this case boggles my mind as well, but that's another story. Here we have at the very least an immature young lady, obviously too young to have a child because of her actions, HIDING the body of her deceased child then lying to law enforcement about it in order to allow the body of her daughter to decay and leave the trail cold. For 31 days. Uh, heck yeah there should be something in place to punish her actions! But then again we will be running into the PC crowd to whom nothing is sacred anymore and to whom the words "personal responsibility" mean nothing.


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I have to Bump the previous texts.   I believe that in dealing with missing children, after the usual comon locations have been searched by family, friends and or LEO, that a formal missing person report should be filed.  In so far as a time limit that is difficult when looking at the reality of these situations.  If 4-8 hours has passed then It's definately time to report it, but as a parent I concur that even a few minutes is too long.  That is when someone other than a frantic parent needs to get involved to keep the clear head and the situation in perspective.  If assets and resources permit, then that should be LEO driven.  Some jurisdictions may not have those resources available initially, so some time will pass naturally.


I have dealt with child custody cases where the other parent had the child but failed to notify the custodial parent and if its in a court order directing that the custodial parent be notified upon receipt by the other parent then its a violation of the court order and is chargable and punishable.  The case in question will spark many legislative consults and the introduction of bills into law, so no doubt this murder will not go unavenged in some form or fashion.


The cover up should have been a more severe punishment than that of a lying to authorities charge I agree, but though sad we still have the best system in the world and it is in dire need of changes that lean towards stronger punishments.  That is why  we have to vote and we have to fight for legislation because the people we elect to an office to that on our behalf are rarely ever the victim's.  It takes a victim to know the pain to make something happen in the world of legislation. Politicians have to much self interest and preservation on their mind instead of doing the job we elect them to do.   Unfortunate but often times true... 

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Rated +7 | Posted about 3 years ago

 

Sure, but we have the laws already- Gross negligence and child neglect.


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I voted no for several reasons. There are already laws that can be applied in these situations. Hastily written and politically motivated statutes often are found to have Constitutional issues. Parental responsibility shouldn't be regulated by statute, however, I wouldn't be against requiring a background investigation and a written test prior to allowing people to become parents.


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BigNTS


I feel for the community that you are an cop in. I am sure there are some good officers in your department. As in all departments


they aslo have a few cops. Maybe some day you will be an officer too.

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cwboylen says ...



BigNTS


I feel for the community that you are an cop in. I am sure there are some good officers in your department. As in all departments


they aslo have a few cops. Maybe some day you will be an officer too.



I'm sorry that you are so emotionally attached to this issue. I also believe that parents and families and should be required to notify authorities that a child goes missing. My point is that to criminalize the failure of families to do so is nothing more than political grandstanding in the face of the recent tragedy. The truth of the matter is that such a law would have done nothing to help Caylee and, as pointed out by rarebit, there are laws in place that already apply.


As for me, I've been a police officer for 24 years and have served my community honorably for over 30 years. (That's identfied by the star next to my name.) I've received multiple awards and commendations for my service. My experience is far too advanced for me to list here. My community does not need sympathy from you.


You posted a poll and asked for opinions from the respondents. Three people responded in the negative - me and two others. If you did not want dissenting opinions you should've rephrased the responses to reflect a more desirable result. Personally attacking someone who disagrees with your opinion does nothing to substantiate your position and only serves to reflect negatively upon yourself.


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BUMP to BigNTS.


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I truly feel if there were a law that required the reporting of a missing child, or the death of a missing child in a reasonable time period, and that if Caylee really drowned her mother may have reported the drowning, and we would not be discussing this today. I feel that the US has some laws that are to intrusive, but when it comes to the care of children, I think many laws or lack of enforcement is lax. Everyone has their own opinion. BigNTS your entitled to yours. I have mine, and I stand by my comments.

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I  concur with my friend Nick en re to your seeking opinions.I believe he responded to you in a pleasant manner in response to your personal attack on him when he gave an opinion.Having been an officer for twenty seven years I can assure you there are a number of city codes and ordinances and state statutes en re to what you mentioned.I would have to read said law and its elements prior to my approval of same.

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Rated -6 | Posted about 3 years ago

 

Maybe the real issue is lazy complacent officers not enforcing the laws we do have.


 

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cwboylen says ...



Maybe the real issue is lazy complacent officers not enforcing the laws we do have.


 



You, sir, are pushing your luck.  Let me suggest that as a long time member of this site, albeit I am not a LEO, that you read the Terms of Usage (TOU) and also realize you are on an LEO site and act accordingly.


My 2 cents,


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 NOT reporting the disapperance of a child just bobbles my mind. How can a parent/guardian not report that their child is missing?


In more cases likley the parent/guardian has something to hide. Not reporting the death of a child... I have no words to describe this....


As a parent of 2 children, if my child had just died, I would be inconsolable.


There most certainly needs to be laws in every state covering the reporting of missing children, or the death of a child.


Personally I think 24 hours is to long to report that a child has gone missing. An hour to report the death of a child?


probably to long also.


WE NEED CAYLEES LAW TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN WHO'S FAMILIESFAIL TO DO THE PROTECTING.


This would have given litte Caylee a little more justice that she got.


Go to change.org and sign the online petition for Caylees law. Show the world we care more than her mother did.


We Love You Caylee.



If anything like that had happened to someone I loved, even if I knew it was to late, I'd call for help for them and in the mean time preform CPR. I wouldn't give up till I either couldn't keep going or help arrived.. I wouldn't want to let them go, and I'd do my best to bring them back.

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cwboylen you are a guest here in our house, the little gold badge next to a name has a little more weight here than does an average citizen. That being said, you are treading on thin ice here and I suggest that you dial it back when respoinding to verified LEOs here on this site or you will find yourself sitting on the sidelines.


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I don't desire to beat a dead horse.What BIGNTS advises is quite true.Knee Jerk laws are generally compiled in a hasty fashion to placate the public who are distraught.Often,as he has wisely stated,there are elements which are found to be in error and/or unconstitional and said bill must be rewritten.Thusly said bill will take twice as long to iron out as it would have,had cooler heads prevailed.I can understand your concern ,kind sir,said Casey Anthony did indeed get away with murder,but what do I know about case law,being a lazy and complacent cop and what do I know about deceased children.My father was an attorney as is my Niece and Nephew.I did a year of law school following my degrees.My seventeen year old son was killed ,with his two best friends as the result of a drunk driver and my two day old son died of an incomplete formation of his brain stem.I know what inconsolable is sir ,don't have to imagine it.Been there,done that.Oh well,such is the life of a lazy complacent cop.

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As already surmised the laws already exist on the books and one more law on the books would have not made a difference in that hideous case. You would think that it would be a moral obligation to report your child missing or has had an accident and drowned to get the appropriate help or you were shopping with your child and the child somehow disappeared. Waiting thirty days to report an underage child missing is absurd. What in the world was she thinking? The child would ring the bell to the house saying hey I’m home now. I don’t know how in the world those jurors found that mother not guilty after lying to the police about the whereabouts of the child and taking so long to even report her child missing. She was the last person seen and the last person with custody of her child. I don’t know what more someone needed besides the smoking gun to convict her for murdering her own child. This case was truly a miscarriage of justice.

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If a child goes missing, and the parent/legal guardian or primary caregiver at the time fails to report it to the police, charges should be filed.


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BigNTS says ...



I voted no for several reasons. There are already laws that can be applied in these situations. Hastily written and politically motivated statutes often are found to have Constitutional issues. Parental responsibility shouldn't be regulated by statute, however, I wouldn't be against requiring a background investigation and a written test prior to allowing people to become parents.


Nick,


i commend you for giving your opinion. Had i read further in this thread i would have voted no also. i voted yes because it did ask for an opinion. I remember how emotionally upset i was when i heard the verdict and i gave (my opinion)what i thought without looking at the content in the thread. There are laws and that is why i was so upset because it was there and the JURY had the choice to convict or not based on the evidence. Our country is based on the principle that you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a JURY of your peers. 


In addition to that, It is my belief that a caregiver should have charges brought against them if they fail to report a child missing. Her parents knew something was up and they should have charges brought against them as well. when and or if the case goes to trial though, it will be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a JURY of their peers. 


Maybe something should be done to fix the jury system. i mean it is getting more strict to GET OUT OF jury duty these days. I have a summons to appear next month but with my medical issues i am facing the doctor may not allow me to attend. most people would rather do anything but be on a jury. I have always accepted my responsiblitiy where that is concerned because i believed it was an honor and priviledge to do my civic duty. What that means is that even though i could have gotten out of it the many times that i have received the summons, i chose to make arrangements for my kids in order to serve my community and fulfill my obligations as a citizen of this great country which is going to H E double hockey sticks in a handbasket! Maybe those people that could have made a difference, chose not to because it was inconvenient. who knows..... I do know that common sense is sooooo uncommon today thats what it should be named. That is just my opinion but i understand they are like part of your anatomy and everyone has one. 



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cwboylen says ...



Writing while I was emotional... I see a couple typeo's. I corrected below and under scored


NOT reporting the disapperance of a child just bobbles my mind. How can a parent/guardian not report that their child is missing?


In more cases likley the parent/guardian has something to hide. Not reporting the death of a child... I have no words to describe this....




 


As a parent of 2 children, if my child had just died, I would be inconsolable.




 


There most certainly needs to be laws in every state covering the reporting of missing children, or the death of a child.




 


Personally I think 24 hours is to long to report that a child has gone missing. An hour to report the death of a child?




 


probably to long also.




 


WE NEED CAYLEES LAW TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN WHO'S FAMILIESFAIL TO DO THE PROTECTING.




 


This would have given litte Caylee a little more justice that she got.




 


Go to change.org and sign the online petition for Caylees law. Show the world we care more than her mother did.




 


We Love You Caylee.


 


funny you did a spell check and the first word I thought you would correct was> bobbles< the mind. I thought the saying was boggles the mind. Bobble is like a bobble head doll.. Boggle means to confuse.


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funny you did a spell check and the first word I thought you would correct was> bobbles< the mind. I thought the saying was boggles the mind. Bobble is like a bobble head doll.. Boggle means to confuse.



Never mind that you're actually wrong on the definition of "boggle", but the irony of someone named  "CandidDebate" replying only to be a spelling nazi boggles the mind.


(Note: it doesn't confuse the mind--Google it.)


P.S. You bobbled that correction.




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I have to say that I agree and disagree with BigNTS. Let me explain. I agree that AT THIS TIME it is the wrong time to write a law, he is 100 % correct.


" Hastily written and politically motivated statutes often are found to have Constitutional issues. Parental responsibility shouldn't be regulated by statute"


Now for the Disagree: When time as passed and everyone has calmed down then I think looking into a law about not reporting a child missing should really be looking into.


and bump BigNTS for being so professional when personally attacted like that!!


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If a child is mssing and the parent doesn't report it, guys, something is wrong with this picture.

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My question is why is this being thumbed down???


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My question is why is this being thumbed down???



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Because of this:


rarebit says ...



Sure, but we have the laws already- Gross negligence and child neglect.



and this:


BigNTS says ...


I'm sorry that you are so emotionally attached to this issue. I also believe that parents and families and should be required to notify authorities that a child goes missing. My point is that to criminalize the failure of families to do so is nothing more than political grandstanding in the face of the recent tragedy. The truth of the matter is that such a law would have done nothing to help Caylee and, as pointed out by rarebit, there are laws in place that already apply.




 and the OP's attitude in general.




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Gotcha!!


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BigNTS says ... I'm sorry that you are so emotionally attached to this issue


 


I sure would like to meet you in person someday. Any time a child is abused or killed I take it to heart. Just want to see if you are as uncaring,and hard nosed in person. ( sugar coated version)


I was taught from as far back as I can remember that any guy could make a baby, it takes a MAN to raise it. 


I have 2 children a Son 18 years old, and a Daughter 18 months old.


 I raised my Son alone from the time he was 4 years old. He is now 18. He has had a job since he was 16, bought his own vehicle and works full time since he graduated. He plans on applying to Ohio State Patrol when he is 20 1/2. My children are my life, my love and my laughter. Our children are our future.  I am emotional when it come to children. I was taught to care, love, and protect them. I will not apologize to ANYONE for that.


BigNTS you do not have to like my opinion, and I certainly do not like your opinion.


 


 

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cwboylen says ...



BigNTS says ... I'm sorry that you are so emotionally attached to this issue


 


I sure would like to meet you in person someday. Any time a child is abused or killed I take it to heart. Just want to see if you are as uncaring,and hard nosed in person. ( sugar coated version)


BigNTS you do not have to like my opinion, and I certainly do not like your opinion.


 



CW, everyone has an opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own. Absolutely no reason to come out swinging if someone's opinion differs from your own. It is best to agree to disagree. Some of the statements and posts that you have made in this particular thread are totally uncalled for. As a Father that has (as you implied) raised your children in a caring manner, is this what you teach them? I know my Father always said "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."


By the way, with this being a public forum, anybody and his mother that has a computer can read everything that is being typed without even being a member of Police Link. Just so you know.


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BigNTS says ...



You posted a poll and asked for opinions from the respondents. Three people responded in the negative - me and two others.



Incidently, I also voted "No" based on the way you asked the question (referring to creating "Caylee's Law"), as there are already Laws in place. If someone is not charged with those Laws, making new ones will not change a thing.


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cwboylen says ...



Personally I think 24 hours is to long to report that a child has gone missing. An hour to report the death of a child?


probably to long also.



Just out of curiousity, where did you come up with that? I know here where I work, you can report a child missing as soon as you discover it. Research "Amber Alert".


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Yes he is a LEO and you are not.  I am not a LEO, either, but check my profile if you would like to see where I am coming from.


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