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Posted about 3 years ago

 

http://youtu.be/Vi2svyjHgXg


 


Did this really happen to 2000 elderly Brits?


 


If it did...no wonder law enforcement has a bad rep!

 


If it did not...someone needs to let this author of the video know his rights.

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Another really reputable video on Youtube.  No names, dates, or ship name.  Sounds like a made up story from a disgruntal person. 


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PETE114 says ...



Another really reputable video on Youtube.  No names, dates, or ship name.  Sounds like a made up story from a disgruntal person.


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What up?

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Complete BS...an obvious axe-grinder who is presenting a bunch of unsubstantiated info on ICE procedures which would not even apply in this situation here.  For a cruise ship, they would only have an ICE investigator (or two) available to respond for a single ship at port; the bulk of personnel would actually be CBP agents, who perform mostly security functions with site protection/crowd control/document verification. The only instance in which enhanced procedures would be applied to everyone equally (the video mentioned 2,000+) would be if a credible threat was assessed and determined to be connected to the manifest or some related factor. If that had been the case, the English-speaking news media would have been all over it..  


..and that definitely was not the case. Now you can throw all of the video poster's comments under extreme suspicion, if not dismiss them outright.     

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I've been trying to find a less ridiculous, less hysteria-laden version of events. It seems it was just an unfortunate sequence of events leading to some snarkiness on the part of the tourists. CBP is reaching out to the cruiselines to develop a procedure for dealing with problems in the future:


The Daily Breeze


Computer glitch inconveniences elderly British cruise ship passengers


By Art Marroquin Staff Writer


A federal computer glitch caused about 2,000 elderly cruise ship passengers to miss a daytime excursion during a recent stop at the Port of Los Angeles, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials said Thursday.


The British travelers have told some of their hometown newspapers that they waited seven hours to disembark from the Arcadia after complaining about alleged "over-zealous" security procedures while docked in San Pedro on May 26. Federal authorities denied those allegations, however.


A nationwide slowdown of the US-Visit computer system nearly doubled the amount of time it took to collect fingerprints, photographs and other biometric data from passengers trying to get off the ship, said CBP Chief Officer Lee Harty.


"The situation worsened as the vessel permitted passengers to exit the cruise ship en masse, which overwhelmed the CBP processing area and created long queuing lines extending outdoors and onto the vessel's gangway," Harty said. "After a thorough review of the incident, CBP has instituted significant corrective actions and will meet with cruise line executives to ensure similar processing delays do not occur in the future."


The prolonged wait forced the Arcadia to remain docked in Los Angeles for another day, prompting England-based P&O Cruises to cancel a later stop in Honduras.


Some of the passengers who endured the long delay said they were not provided with food, water or restroom facilities. Customs


officials said they attempted to improve the situation by arranging to bring chairs, food and beverages to the waiting travelers.


Additionally, some of the passengers were allowed to use a restroom inside the port's cruise terminal, located just beyond the federal screening area, CBP officials said.


Other travelers complained they were "herded like animals" and felt like prisoners as they waited outdoors in 80-degree weather, according to The Daily Telegraph, a newspaper distributed throughout the United Kingdom.


"A couple of passengers got a bit stroppy about having to go through all the rigmarole again and these petulant officials decided to take revenge," passenger John Randall, 60, told The Daily Telegraph.


"We are holiday makers, here to try and enjoy ourselves," Randall said. "We are not potential inmates of Guantanamo Bay, and should not be treated as such."




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Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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Rate This | Posted about 3 years ago

 

The US-Visits system is used by a multitude of agencies within DHS as well as the Dept. of State.  Border Patrol, Customs, Citizenship & Immigration Services, ICE, Ports of Entry, etc... well over 150,000 employees have need to access the system.  The system is slow and designed by the lowest bidder.  Consider for a moment that all the information has to travel through various server hubs and seek information that could be stored locally or somewhere in D.C.; it is not a perfect system but it is the one we have.


No one was trying to harrass or "get revenge" on the elderly Brits.  Unfortunately for them, they got caught up in the computer problems that DHS employees have to deal with every day.  While it is possible to find a grumpy or unprofessional LEO from time to time, I guarantee you that the CBPOs at the LA POE are not all a bunch of vindictive and unprofessional louts looking to take it out on older folks from the UK.


Typical kind of cop-hating BS you can expect from the media.


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The media in the UK is particularly down on US institutions in general, too. The youtube video was clearly created by someone with an axe to grind. In the article I posted the reporter actually went to the trouble of seeking comments from US CPB. I've never heard of them before (The Daily Breeze), but I thought their treatment of the story was fairly informative and neutral.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

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Every time I try to post a reply here this site says there is a prohibited HTML markup..whatever that is....I am just trying to post 2 answers I got from Michael Cutler..former INS officer..with 30 years experience.


Maybe another time.

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keepyourpower, for some reason you can no longer post links to other websites on PL.  You need to type out the web address minus the http:// part.  If it still shows up as a link, then right click on it and select the "Remove Link" option.


People will have to copy and paste the "link" in the address bar.


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Rate This | Posted about 3 years ago

 

The video was full of fear-mongering images, suggestions, speculation, associations, and outright falsehoods. The whole connection to ICE was a fabrication to fit in to their "police-state" fear-mongering theme--and UK papers failed to follow up with CBP to get their version of events.




Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”