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.This could only happened to me.  I was out with FTO and we were running radar and it was a clear day.  Sure enough we got set up and a few cars went by us about five miles over the speed limit and we let them go.  We were going to issue citations to the drivers that were eight miles over or above.  It was long and a Ford went by us fifteen miles over the limit.  We hit the lights and pulled out on the road and the driver saw us and pulled right over and I thought this person is going to be good to deal with, and that was a mistake.


The lady started in how we are always picking up speeders when we should be out arresting law breakers and criminals.  I just stood there in shock this lady was my parents neighbor that I grew up with and played with her children also.  She didn't recognize me for awhile. She went on to tell me to call me because I was on the force and she lived next to my parents.  Once she took a breath, I introduced myself to her.  She smile and said, oh Hi how are you.  I told I was fine and asked her if she knew why I stopped her.  She told me she always drives a bit fast and she was going to get her hair done.  I advised her to slow down so she can continue to get her done and not to be in an accident.  She asked me if I was going to let off with a warning. 


I remember how she was going on about how people break the law.  I told her no I was going to issue her a citation, but it would be for ten over the limit not fifteen.  She said, she I grew up next door them a warning would work.  I said, I know I camped out in your back yard with your son and we use to go swimming and was on the same swim team and that. That were fun years growing up, but now this is my job to enforce the law that people break.  Like you told me earlier, I need to go be going after the law breakers, and speeding is breaking the law.  By dropping the speed down, you will. not have to worry if D.O.T. will request your license because the speed you were going.  She signed the ticket and left.


Before she left she told me my mother would hear about this.  To be honest my mother did hear about and so did I. 

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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???

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Speeding is speeding and thats that. 8 over and issuing a citation, I am ok with that; I see nothing wrong with that. The problem with the world nowadays is that if you give most people an inch, they are going to take a mile.


If the speed limit is 55 and they are doing over 60...SLOW DOWN. If the DOT raises the limits, then people will drive that much faster. So my question is this; As an LEO, where do you draw the line. The speeds are set for a reason, just like other laws are put in place. Sure, we may not agree with all of the laws as they are written, but the bottom line is that they need to be enforced. Sure, I'm not saying to write someone for doing 57 in a 55 but people should also not EXPECT to be let off if they are breaking the law.


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I know I'm an old goat but when we ran radar, we would give them 10 and then start writing. I also know that if the flow of traffic is 10 then we didn't stop them. It all depends on circumstance and where they are speeding. We didn't give ten mph over if it were a 15mph zone.


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I guess its just different for every location and every officer.


Out in Yellowstone I had wide open highways, I didnt pull till 20 over or I would be pulling every single car on the road.


Here in Northern Virginia its a little different, more congestion and more road hazards.


I cant see 8 over unless its a school zone or special area. If anyone of us on here says they have not looked down and been going 8 over on any given day they are either a Saint or a Liar.


We have individual discretion in regards to traffic enforcement just like anything else so to each his own right

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Speeding is speeding and thats that. 8 over and issuing a citation, I am ok with that; I see nothing wrong with that. The problem with the world nowadays is that if you give most people an inch, they are going to take a mile.


If the speed limit is 55 and they are doing over 60...SLOW DOWN. If the DOT raises the limits, then people will drive that much faster. So my question is this; As an LEO, where do you draw the line. The speeds are set for a reason, just like other laws are put in place. Sure, we may not agree with all of the laws as they are written, but the bottom line is that they need to be enforced. Sure, I'm not saying to write someone for doing 57 in a 55 but people should also not EXPECT to be let off if they are breaking the law.  I am my brothers keeper, but I am also responsible for for so much more.


Stay safe and God bless!!!



Geez man!  You are harsh!!!  Where do you live again?  I need to make sure I stay away from your State.. LOL.. I think I would have lost my license a long time ago if they issued tickets here for going over 5 mph.  I have driven past LEOs going 5-7 mph over the speed limit on several occasions and have never received a ticket either.  It depends on where I am on how fast I drive, whether it is a school zone, a highway, how fast traffic is flowing, etc.. but I am at least always driving 5 over.  


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.......Sure, I'm not saying to write someone for doing 57 in a 55 but people should also not EXPECT to be let off if they are breaking the law.....



I think Glock hit it right on the head.  How fast they were going is not as big of a deal as the lack of accountability there seems to be among the general population.  Seems like most people expect to be given a break as opposed to paying for their actions.

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I didn't say people SHOULD be written, I said that people SHOULD NOT EXPECT to be let off with a warning all of the time.


It's the "Give an inch, take a mile" syndrome. We all deal with it every day. As well as the people that seem to know everyone else, you know what I mean....the name droppers.


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Depending on the road/area, I generally start making stops at 12 over, and writing cites at 15+. Like others have said, there are exceptions. School zones, construction zones, residential areas, road and weather conditions, etc.


However, I ALWAYS write for the speed I stopped them at. If they're doing 15 over, they get written for 15, not 10.

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I didn't say people SHOULD be written, I said that people SHOULD NOT EXPECT to be let off with a warning all of the time.


It's the "Give an inch, take a mile" syndrome. We all deal with it every day. As well as the people that seem to know everyone else, you know what I mean....the name droppers.



I know dude.. I'm just messin' with ya!  


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GlockArmorer220 says ...



I didn't say people SHOULD be written, I said that people SHOULD NOT EXPECT to be let off with a warning all of the time.


It's the "Give an inch, take a mile" syndrome. We all deal with it every day. As well as the people that seem to know everyone else, you know what I mean....the name droppers.



I know dude.. I'm just messin' with ya!  



Alright....it's on now, the gloves are a comin' off!!!


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Usually gave 10 over before writing (circumstances depending).  Between Midnight 6:00am usually 15 mph before writing unless the speed was accompanied by other things like erratic driving, crossing the center line, extra loud stereo blasting.  Things like this often vary from region to region or town to town.  Live by the rules that are prevelant where you are working.


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I guess its just different for every location and every officer.


Out in Yellowstone I had wide open highways, I didnt pull till 20 over or I would be pulling every single car on the road.


Here in Northern Virginia its a little different, more congestion and more road hazards.


I cant see 8 over unless its a school zone or special area. If anyone of us on here says they have not looked down and been going 8 over on any given day they are either a Saint or a Liar.


We have individual discretion in regards to traffic enforcement just like anything else so to each his own right



It should be noted that the max speed limit in Yellowstone is 35 mph.  Everyone speeds there....except the buffalo.

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I generally stop at 10 over, write at 15.  There are of course exceptions to every rule, usually dependant on conditions.  However, when on a DUI enforcement shift I stop at 5 over and write at 15.  High volume of stops in a small area will reduce the number of people willing to take a chance on driving drunk.  And will reduce the risk taking behavior of those who do.....or at least that's my theory.

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I got stopped on the Kansas Turn Pike at 0300hrs for three (3) over by a Kansas trooper. I asked if he was bored and he stated he was as nothing was cooking that night. We chewed the fat a few minutes and I told him I would write him a nice letter to the governor for the break. He laughed and sent me on my way.

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Ranger719 says ...



I guess its just different for every location and every officer.


Out in Yellowstone I had wide open highways, I didnt pull till 20 over or I would be pulling every single car on the road.


Here in Northern Virginia its a little different, more congestion and more road hazards.


I cant see 8 over unless its a school zone or special area. If anyone of us on here says they have not looked down and been going 8 over on any given day they are either a Saint or a Liar.


We have individual discretion in regards to traffic enforcement just like anything else so to each his own right



It should be noted that the max speed limit in Yellowstone is 35 mph.  Everyone speeds there....except the buffalo.



Actually the max speed limit in YELL is 55mph....but your right about the everyone speeds but the buffalo!!

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Well here in N.C. in my County we write 15 over. Our DA says by doing that it shows we are looking for serious violators. Now at 10 and your cool well a warning ticket is ok. But 10 and your a Azz. Well someone will need to press hard or I'll write Copy Delivered. I don't ask do you know why I stopped you. I just tell them plain and simple. Mam, Sir I clocked you at 70 in a 55. And really have no problems. But residential OH hell to the no, you will get a ticket super fast. But do whats best for you and your agency. Or do what your Chief or Sheriff likes. ESPECIALY YOUR SHERIFF

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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???



LEOs in the next town where I live cite people for going 1 mile over.


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 ^ sounds like the town I live in

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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???



LEOs in the next town where I live cite people for going 1 mile over.


 


 


I hear this all the time. What I want is to see a copy of the ticket. I've yet to see the judge that would allow such a ticket. Just not worth their time.


 


 



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I would stop at 10 over and write for 15 .  However if they were in a school zone or had a attitude problem I would write at 10. It always surprized me how some idiots give Officers a mouth full of crap and then wonder why they are given citations.

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Once I observed a old man stopped in traffic attempting to make a left turn.  He was setting there with his turn signal on waiting for traffic to clear.  The idiot behind him could not pass because of the curb so he was blowing his horn none stop.     I pulled over the guy with the horn problem and issued him a citation for excessive use of horn.  He was giving me all sorts of mouth.  After he signed his sitation ripping the bottom of it, he threw my 19  cent bic pen out into the street and a passing car ran over it.   I then arrested him for destruction of property.  The passenger got out of the car and stuck his nose into it and he was arrested for interference.  ( I always carried an extra set of cuffs for friends).                    Got convictions on both which made my day for sure.

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I fully understand a P.O.P citation. I've seen many judges that, once explained will support such a citation/arrest. Still, it's hard for me to believe a 1 mph ticket. Most general orders give 3-5 just for speedo variances etc. Judges, in my experience, just don't want to mess with a 1 mph over ticket. I know in over 40 years of "let me see the ticket", I've yet to be shown one.


 


 


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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???



LEOs in the next town where I live cite people for going 1 mile over.


 


 


I hear this all the time. What I want is to see a copy of the ticket. I've yet to see the judge that would allow such a ticket. Just not worth their time.


My US Attorney would never support something like that, and if I tried citing under state code and taking it to the local Mag I would get laughed right out of the Mags office. 


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I have to think, what state was it I was going through.  Oklahoma, when i was young and with my parents, they had up information signs, stating how fast you driving over the speed limit and the fine.  It started at 1-5 mph, 5-10mph and so on.  They didn't put up with speeders.  My dad always thought that was wise, at least you knew your fine when caught.  I don't know if they are still there or not.


As for the eight miles over, that was when I was directed to issue the citations and I did.  You see when school is going to let out, we have yellow flashers that come on that warn all driver to slow down to 25 mph.  If they choose not to slow down, then we will issue the citations.  The first couple days of school we just give them a warning and after that we do more than that.  Right before Christmas, we are order in school zones,  three miles over.  I just do as I am directed.  Right or wrong a supervisor has told you to do. 


My rule when I out doing radar anymore is ten over, I will be glad to stop you.  If you get choose to have an attitde, more than likely I will write you for ten over.  if the stop goes smooth then I will drop it to five or let you go with a warning.  That was six years ago was my first citation.  Thanks to everyone that responded to it or read it..  Have a great day and a better day tomorrow.  Everyone be safe...


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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???



I answered everyones reply a bit later in the reply.  We we were in a school zone...  Thank you for interest..  Have a good day, and do be safe.


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I have to think, what state was it I was going through.  Oklahoma, when i was young and with my parents, they had up information signs, stating how fast you driving over the speed limit and the fine.  It started at 1-5 mph, 5-10mph and so on.  They didn't put up with speeders.  My dad always thought that was wise, at least you knew your fine when caught.  I don't know if they are still there or not.


As for the eight miles over, that was when I was directed to issue the citations and I did.  You see when school is going to let out, we have yellow flashers that come on that warn all driver to slow down to 25 mph.  If they choose not to slow down, then we will issue the citations.  The first couple days of school we just give them a warning and after that we do more than that.  Right before Christmas, we are order in school zones,  three miles over.  I just do as I am directed.  Right or wrong a supervisor has told you to do. 


My rule when I out doing radar anymore is ten over, I will be glad to stop you.  If you get choose to have an attitde, more than likely I will write you for ten over.  if the stop goes smooth then I will drop it to five or let you go with a warning.  That was six years ago was my first citation.  Thanks to everyone that responded to it or read it..  Have a great day and a better day tomorrow.  Everyone be safe...


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 Yeah I can see 8 over in a school zone, your original post didnt state you were in a school zone.


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Fair but firm Scuba 1. 


I remember back when I was on the road writing tickets that I had pulled over my pastor.  He was apologetic and it took him awhile to recognize me as well, but he gave me no grief.  I did get mentioned in his sermon the following Sunday and it was received well by the rest of the congregation.


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Ranger719 says ...



Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???



LEOs in the next town where I live cite people for going 1 mile over.



I'd be in court for that one. Way to many issues with that in my mind.


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Your pulling people for 8 over???


Where you running speed at in a parking lot???


 


HAHA!  instant classic!!  damn that was funny!



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