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I am a writer for Truckers News magazine, a publication for owner-operators and company drivers. I'm doing a story on how truckers can protect themselves on the road. As you can imagine, I'm getting slammed by truckers saying they have the right to carry a gun onboard. I know that they have to obey the individual state laws to carry a concealed weapon with a permit. For over the road truckers, unless they have a dedicated route, they will be crossing state lines with a wide range of differing laws.


I would like to offer my readers some good advice/tips from LE about how to conduct themselves if they are pulled over and carrying with a permit.  Also, am somewhat confused by the rules about carrying an unloaded shotgun aboard. Many of my readers are really upset about the recent murder of trucker/Marine Truman Smith and are also saying that truck stops are not as safe as the truck stop operators claim.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Best regards,


Carolyn

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First off, I am not a law enforcement officer.  I am only a recruit.  I do know that gun laws vary from state to state.  I would suggest that the trucker familiarize themselves with the laws of each state they will be passing through and then be sure they conform at each state line.  Letting an officer know where a gun is located and then staying away from that spot (i.e. keeping your hands in view of the officer) is ALWAYS a good idea.  Again, I am not a certified LEO, so maybe the certified individuals can give better advice.


By the way, you might want to post a formal introduction in the appropriate forum per the terms of use.  Generally, you will get more information from certified LEO members if they can read an informative introduction about you.


"I have a strict gun control policy. If there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it."

- Clint Eastwood

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I'm not going to sit here and blow smoke up your skirt saying that truckers don't carry weapons.  With that said, I would find it difficult to believe that there are many truckers that do a run to either Canada or Mexico that would carry guns of any sort.  Neither Canada, or Mexico, are really good places to be transporting guns inside your vehicle.  For those that travel inside the U.S. only. . . . .I wouldn't put it past truckers to carry them, but I have not found that to be the case during my time on the road.


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I would recommend that if a trucker wanted to carry a firearm, he get a CCW  permit and check on the recropricy laws for his state, even if he just wishes to carry it in the truck and not necessarily on his person.

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I'm not going to sit here and blow smoke up your skirt saying that truckers don't carry weapons.  With that said, I would find it difficult to believe that there are many truckers that do a run to either Canada or Mexico that would carry guns of any sort.  Neither Canada, or Mexico, are really good places to be transporting guns inside your vehicle.  For those that travel inside the U.S. only. . . . .I wouldn't put it past truckers to carry them, but I have not found that to be the case during my time on the road.



Have you actually searched a lot of tractor cabs, there are a lot of places for firearms, not necessarily carried on the driver's person, maybe in the sleeping area or elsewhere.  I'll just say a trucker I knew many years ago carried one concealed in the sleeping area of the cab and not on his person, and don't know but suspect he did not volunteer it's presence when he was stopped while driving.

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Actually. . . .not really as we had numerous motor carrier officers in the areas that I worked that kept a fairly tight lid on the truckers, but they weren't finding much in the way of guns either.  Besides, our duties did not allow us time to just do traffic in the area that I worked.  We were also taking complaints in the 3 townships that had no other police services.  When we did stop them, it would be in between complaints and we did not find a whole lot.  Again, in the area I'm at, many were coming/going to Canada and getting caught with a firearm in Canada without the proper papers or "blessings" of the Canadian government does not sound like it would be a very good thing to happen to you.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

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Actually. . . .not really as we had numerous motor carrier officers in the areas that I worked that kept a fairly tight lid on the truckers, but they weren't finding much in the way of guns either.  Besides, our duties did not allow us time to just do traffic in the area that I worked.  We were also taking complaints in the 3 townships that had no other police services.  When we did stop them, it would be in between complaints and we did not find a whole lot.  Again, in the area I'm at, many were coming/going to Canada and getting caught with a firearm in Canada without the proper papers or "blessings" of the Canadian government does not sound like it would be a very good thing to happen to you.



i though because of your job you or co-workers might have done more cab searches that i ever did as a patrol officer, I don't even begin to pretend to understand all ther trucking rulres and regulations the way the motor carrier inspectors do and figure I'll leave the trucks to them.  Haven't stopped a semi for years.

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A lot of the officers I worked with only stopped the trucks for normal idiotic things. . . .i.e. speed 10+, running someone else off the road. . . .almost hitting the patrol unit. . . general things like that.  They, like you, did not want to take the time to learn and/or apply the "rules".  However, the motor carrier officers got much of their equipment through federal grants and the like so they were very motivated to go digging into the trucks.  They had so many intensive inspections they had to do in a year among so many lesser intensive inspections they had to perform throughout the year.  So guess what they were doing on bright sunny days. . . . .  Yep, diggin' through trucks.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

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This. 


No truck driver survives who isn't professional right down the line.  Professionals keep this country up and running.


My brother has been driving an eighteen-wheeler for about thirty years.  Nowadays, its western state hauls from California up to Washington or Montana.  Hauls back to Calif or to Phoenix/El Paso.  Glass up, lumber down. 


What with all the regulations and gas prices these days, it's amazing the cost of lettuce hasn't shot up to $5.00 a head.  But stay tuned.


Bro' keeps a pit bull.  Kablamm seems to discourage intruders from peering into the cab. 


I sleep safe knowing that.


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Beowulf_7 says ...



Actually. . . .not really as we had numerous motor carrier officers in the areas that I worked that kept a fairly tight lid on the truckers, but they weren't finding much in the way of guns either.  Besides, our duties did not allow us time to just do traffic in the area that I worked.  We were also taking complaints in the 3 townships that had no other police services.  When we did stop them, it would be in between complaints and we did not find a whole lot.  Again, in the area I'm at, many were coming/going to Canada and getting caught with a firearm in Canada without the proper papers or "blessings" of the Canadian government does not sound like it would be a very good thing to happen to you.



i though because of your job you or co-workers might have done more cab searches that i ever did as a patrol officer, I don't even begin to pretend to understand all ther trucking rulres and regulations the way the motor carrier inspectors do and figure I'll leave the trucks to them.  Haven't stopped a semi for years.


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This. 


No truck driver survives who isn't professional right down the line.  Professionals keep this country up and running.


My brother has been driving an eighteen-wheeler for about thirty years.  Nowadays, its western state hauls from California up to Washington or Montana.  Hauls back to Calif or to Phoenix/El Paso.  Glass up, lumber down. 


What with all the regulations and gas prices these days, it's amazing the cost of lettuce hasn't shot up to $5.00 a head.  But stay tuned.


Bro' keeps a pit bull.  Kablamm seems to discourage intruders from peering into the cab. 


I sleep safe knowing that.


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Beowulf_7 says ...



Actually. . . .not really as we had numerous motor carrier officers in the areas that I worked that kept a fairly tight lid on the truckers, but they weren't finding much in the way of guns either.  Besides, our duties did not allow us time to just do traffic in the area that I worked.  We were also taking complaints in the 3 townships that had no other police services.  When we did stop them, it would be in between complaints and we did not find a whole lot.  Again, in the area I'm at, many were coming/going to Canada and getting caught with a firearm in Canada without the proper papers or "blessings" of the Canadian government does not sound like it would be a very good thing to happen to you.



i though because of your job you or co-workers might have done more cab searches that i ever did as a patrol officer, I don't even begin to pretend to understand all ther trucking rulres and regulations the way the motor carrier inspectors do and figure I'll leave the trucks to them.  Haven't stopped a semi for years.




Pit Bull's name is "KABLAMM"?  There's GOTTA be a story in there somewhere.


I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.

John Bernard Books, from "The Shootist"

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TLeeworth says ...



Beowulf_7 says ...



Actually. . . .not really as we had numerous motor carrier officers in the areas that I worked that kept a fairly tight lid on the truckers, but they weren't finding much in the way of guns either.  Besides, our duties did not allow us time to just do traffic in the area that I worked.  We were also taking complaints in the 3 townships that had no other police services.  When we did stop them, it would be in between complaints and we did not find a whole lot.  Again, in the area I'm at, many were coming/going to Canada and getting caught with a firearm in Canada without the proper papers or "blessings" of the Canadian government does not sound like it would be a very good thing to happen to you.



i though because of your job you or co-workers might have done more cab searches that i ever did as a patrol officer, I don't even begin to pretend to understand all ther trucking rulres and regulations the way the motor carrier inspectors do and figure I'll leave the trucks to them.  Haven't stopped a semi for years.



When I first started on the job, I made an effort to meet all the deputies and troopers assigned to my area. I was a single young guy right out of the academy and didn't get much info on the rules, regulations and laws on the operation of a semi. I asked for a ride along and instruction on enforcement with the troopers. I spent about a day every week or so riding along and they would bring me right in the mix of all of it. I learned a lot, granted it was on my time, but I was full of spitfire to learn everything traffic related.


I learned a lot and think it improved our department's strained relationship with the patrol. There was a lot of that my jurisdiction B.S. back in those days and we're all blue, through and through.

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Carolyn, You are NOT going to get any Police Officer with a brain to give you ANY legal advice OR OPINIONS except that Truckers must follow the rules just like any other person. I am not sure if there are any Federal Laws concerning the carrying of weapons under DOT laws either as I am not a DOT Officer. As TLeesworth said, check the laws about CCW in every state you are going through and carry or don't carry accordingly.

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Thank you.  No reason to blacken the eye of the industry by leading off with cooked-up claims of 'getting slammed' by  truck drivers illegally carrying concealed weapons. Who is the OP is 'getting slammed' by?  Details? 


No driver worth his salt wants to lose his license.  Or face criminal charges.  They have deadlines to meet and families to feed. 


Integrity.  It's what its about.


Until I see "Carolyn"/"Writer" return to back her claims AND describe the research she has already done for Trucker Magazine, I'll assume "Carolyn" is a high school student cutting corners on her homework.


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Carolyn, You are NOT going to get any Police Officer with a brain to give you ANY legal advice OR OPINIONS except that Truckers must follow the rules just like any other person. I am not sure if there are any Federal Laws concerning the carrying of weapons under DOT laws either as I am not a DOT Officer. As TLeesworth said, check the laws about CCW in every state you are going through and carry or don't carry accordingly.


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Oh, we were taking this question seriously?


I would contact your magazine's legal department and have them research the laws in all 50 states and U.S. Territories.

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Good advice TrafficCop28.


And..Well, from the generous responses here - yes.  I would say the LEO's here at PL were kindly offering their serious responses.  However, for obvious reasons, I had problems with the way this thread was introduced.  Why?


The OP doesn't look like an advocate for the industry.


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Oh, we were taking this question seriously?


I would contact your magazine's legal department and have them research the laws in all 50 states and U.S. Territories.


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Good advice TrafficCop28.


And..Well, from the generous responses here - yes.  I would say the LEO's here at PL were kindly offering their serious responses.  However, for obvious reasons, I had problems with the way this thread was introduced.  Why?


The OP doesn't look like an advocate for the industry.


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Oh, we were taking this question seriously?


I would contact your magazine's legal department and have them research the laws in all 50 states and U.S. Territories.




Yeah, that's sarcasm. Every magazine has a legal department that researches these kinds of things. I couldn't imagine any human being not having the common sense to realize we know these kinds of things and expect free legal advice.

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Oh, if a legitimate reporter does ask for information, "I have no comment" is the only response any of us should be authorized to make with a referral to our command for further comments.   You won't catch my name in the paper.

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"carolyn76" "Trucker News magazine writer".  PL member since...


2/26/2011


"As you can imagine, I'm getting slammed by truckers saying they have the right to carry a gun onboard."


"Also, am somewhat confused by the rules about carrying an unloaded shotgun aboard."


Right.



 


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I am a writer for Truckers News magazine, a publication for owner-operators and company drivers. I'm doing a story on how truckers can protect themselves on the road. As you can imagine, I'm getting slammed by truckers saying they have the right to carry a gun onboard. I know that they have to obey the individual state laws to carry a concealed weapon with a permit. For over the road truckers, unless they have a dedicated route, they will be crossing state lines with a wide range of differing laws.


I would like to offer my readers some good advice/tips from LE about how to conduct themselves if they are pulled over and carrying with a permit.  Also, am somewhat confused by the rules about carrying an unloaded shotgun aboard. Many of my readers are really upset about the recent murder of trucker/Marine Truman Smith and are also saying that truck stops are not as safe as the truck stop operators claim.


Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Best regards,


Carolyn


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 I appreciate the responses here. When I said, "slammed" I meant that any time you talk about guns/gun laws there's a lot of controversy. It is true that there is no Federal Law against truckers carrying guns aboard trucks. But the burden of figuring out all the state/local laws is on the trucker. The purpose of my article is to raise awareness about safety at truck stops, rest areas and shipping docks. Most truckers are aware of the dangers out there but it's a good reminder. I can't offer legal advice to them other than to say, study the laws of the jurisdictions you travel through. My purpose here is to just see what LE has to say about truckers/guns/protection.  


I am very pro trucker and didn't mean to sound like I had a bias against them. This is a trade magazine FOR truckers and while there are always bad apples in every profession, these men/women have it pretty rough out there and I want to offer them the best possible advice for staying safe in their job. (I don't think I explained myself very well in the introduction.)


 

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Actually I believe if you check the CFR's it is unlawful for firearms to be in CMV's unless something has changed.

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That's what I get for listening to DOT! lol

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Again, it is the responsibility of the individual, be they a trucker as my Dad was, or just a salesman or anyone else who is traveling to discover the laws concerning Concealed Carry for each and every state that they are going to pass through and act accordingly.


As to how I "FEEL" about this on a personal level, It does not matter are I am, or was charged with enforcing the Laws of my City, County, and State as will do so according to whatever laws they have passed. Any personal 'feelings' on that subject are3 mine and mine alone and have no bearing on how i enforce the laws nor on how I would advise anyone else to do or act other than to tell them to obey the law!


Does this sound like I do not trust the media? Damn right. I don't trust the media, especially someone who simply says they are with the media, Senior Officers know better than to play that game, that's why they become senior Officers.