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Poll: What vehicle should replace the Ford Crown Vic

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I would like to get the opionion of fellow Police Link members as to what they think would be the best vehicle to replace the Ford Crown Victoria.  What are the pros and cons for each vehicle. Personal opinions of Officers that are operating the vehicles in question.

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The new Caprice. It is a V-8, all wheel drive. It is power by a 6.1 liter engine, which is the same engine in the Camaro. It has 18 inch wheels and from what I've been told it is a 4 door Camaro.


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Wait a minute, there's no Carbon Motors.


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I don't think the Carbon Motors car is available yet. I looked at their website and I see they are taking orders for the vehicle...so I'm not sure. I based my comment on a car that has a good past service. I hated when Chevy quit making the Caprice in 1996.


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John_groh_max50

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I know I didn't add Carbon Motors on the list.  I mentioned that to my boss and he said the City wouldn't spring for them.   Sorry I like that one myself.

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well, I've driven 3 of the 4 choices as my unit plus I've had the CV. My favorite was the 08 Dodge Charger. Plenty of power, good handling just a sweet ride. Cons less room in the back for tranporting offenders, visiblitiy (out of the car) not good. The Impala was also pretty sweet, I hated when I totaled that one. Good handling, good power (not as much as the Charger) Speaking from the safety aspect, I hit a Silverado at the rear passenger wheel, at about 45 mph. Radiator gone, hood up in my line of vision, total mess. Was STILL able to handle the car in heavy morning drive traffic with the shoulder of the road all tore up and under construction, without involving any other vehicles. The Taurus was an older model that wasn't that great.


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Like Cat, I've driven all but the Tahoe, but didn't see the Ford replacement for the CV listed, don't believe they will call it a Taurus, it is all wheel drive and alledgedly as roomy as a CV, but a little smaller exterior.  Of the listed, i wuld probably pick the charger, as i do a lot of traffic and wouldn't want to catch up to speeders in a taller, most likely less stable vehicle.

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The Tahoe (Police Package). I also have had the pleasure of driving all but one of the choices given (Taurus. I assume you're talking about the CVPI replacement that they're touting so highly). I definitely say Tahoe.

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They are calling the Taurus Police package the Interceptor and it is offered in two wheel and all wheel drive.   I have my concerns about the tans in the vehicle.   I have not found any information stating that the trans has been upgraded, only the engine and break packages.  We have had the Ford Taurus for years as unmarked vehicles.  It seems that the trans in them can't seem to hold up and they are always in the shop.

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I think the new police Taurus is nothing like the Taurus of old, I think it is more like the Taurus X.

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 WIth the options I would go with the Ford Taurus, but I am partial to the Carbon motors E11


 


http://www.carbonmotors.com/


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Me too, but the City won't spring for that type of money.  Yeah I know if you add up all the cost yada yada.   Ain't gonna happen.

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I believe the tahoe, because of the space for hauling prisoners, gear and the availability of the 4x4 package.  Our agency has the two wheel drive and in so far as comparing them to takeoff power with the vic; the Tahoe starts out sluggish, but once it kicks in it can keep up with the Vic and to a point with the charger.  Great for hardball surfaces and most country roads and scenarios. 


The 4x4 does not do great as a pursuit vehicle, due to the 4x4 package, it is hard on the drive train of the 4x4, but in so far as a viable and rugged LEO work horse, I believe the Tahoe to be better suited.


For SWAT officers carrying extra gear, for the FTO's that carry their gear, plus a rookies gear, a prisoner and some property items you can't argue the space if that is all that is being offered.  For the evidence guys and gals it offers addtional storage for gear and evidence and some packaging items.  Obviously K-9 benefits from the Tahoe as well with all of the gear they carry.  As a supervisor, not working patrol, I would prefer the Tahoe to any of the other vehicles based on practicality, rugged work and over all sensability for working in rural areas.  In a predominately metro area, the two wheel drive version still makes perfect sense with regard to carrying capacity and ability to pursue


Just my thoughts and opinion, but we all know about opinions.  Good thread this one is worth watching...

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Thanks,  I like the Tahoe and MPD_923 suggested the Caprice, I had not even thought of that one.  When I placed the list there are a few more that I should have included but didn't think of.     All the information I can gather will be of help.  Thanks to all for their comments and thoughts on the subject.   If you can think of any other vehicles as possible replacement for the CV please do mention them. 


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caprice was a great car, I think the fact that they were a lower fuel economy vehicle was the reason they quit making them, not because of a lack of LE demand.

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Thanks,  I like the Tahoe and MPD_923 suggested the Caprice, I had not even thought of that one.  When I placed the list there are a few more that I should have included but didn't think of.     All the information I can gather will be of help.  Thanks to all for their comments and thoughts on the subject.   If you can think of any other vehicles as possible replacement for the CV please do mention them. 


John



If you consider the Tahoe, you might also consider the Dodge Ram 1500 quad cab and the Chevy Silverado quad cab as well, both have been used by LE agencies (both the 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive versions), mostly by S/O's with large, rugged patrol areas, also some agencies have used Ford Explorers as well.

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wiseass0282 says ...



Thanks,  I like the Tahoe and MPD_923 suggested the Caprice, I had not even thought of that one.  When I placed the list there are a few more that I should have included but didn't think of.     All the information I can gather will be of help.  Thanks to all for their comments and thoughts on the subject.   If you can think of any other vehicles as possible replacement for the CV please do mention them. 


John



If you consider the Tahoe, you might also consider the Dodge Ram 1500 quad cab and the Chevy Silverado quad cab as well, both have been used by LE agencies (both the 2 wheel drive and 4 wheel drive versions), mostly by S/O's with large, rugged patrol areas, also some agencies have used Ford Explorers as well.



I would echo the pick ups too.  I'm a Ford guy and own a 150 quad cab as a POV and that is one I want to push our agency for when we switch our CSI Vehicles.  The 4x4 with a wench and haul space and lots of cab space for other items.

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I wouldn't go with a Pick-up for Patrol. I own an F-150 quad cab as well, but for patrol the fact that it is light in the rear, and also Top heavy makes it a really good candidate for rollovers and Traction Loss at high speeds.

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I nominate the Mustang and Camaro

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I wouldn't go with a Pick-up for Patrol. I own an F-150 quad cab as well, but for patrol the fact that it is light in the rear, and also Top heavy makes it a really good candidate for rollovers and Traction Loss at high speeds.



Most of the agencies using various trucks are in more or less mountainous ( or at least fairly hilly) rural areas and use them less for pursuit/traffic and more for getting around in hard to travel in a car areas.

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For my next of the woods I'd go with the Caprice or perhaps Charger.  When the weather is less than favorable we should have at least one 4wd Tahoe at the PD.


Ford is going to have some kinks to work out in their new Police Interceptor. I assume similar issues will surface with the new Caprices. I hear Dodge has finally got the Charger kinks worked out.  Any will have recalls for one thing or another.


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 I'd either want the caprice or taurus.  Caprice has a lot of power.  Although I haven't seen the police Taurus, I have been in the cavilian one and its got a lot of room.  It would probably be changed but the gear shift on the CivTaurus was un to my chest which was the only thing I didn't like about it.

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The new Ford Interceptor is going to be an outstanding patrol car.  I'm kind of a car geek, and the new Taurus is one of Ford's greatest innovations in a long time.  The new Taurus has nothing to do with the old one except the name.  The motor, the drive train, everything is top notch.  Do some googling on the new Taurus SHO, it is the civilian version of the Interceptor. 


The "ecoboost" V6 with the AWD platform would be my choice.  I live in an area where it snows all the time, and think the old RWD Crown Vic never made much sense here in the Colorado Mountains, but someone at CSP (and various other local departments) seem to disagree. 


The new V6 is as good as or better than the Charger's V8, with a lot better gas mileage.  The fuel economy might help the new cars pay for themselves!

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I did some quick research snowrider and here's what I found on the new Ford vs the Charger


The new v8's in the chargers are the same engine as the daytona r/t engine, producing 368 hp at 395 ft-lbs of torque. Looks like the 0-60 will be a little under 6 seconds.


The v6 for charger is a 3.5L (not a whole lot of info on hp or ft-lbs of torque)


The v6 in the Fords produce a suprising (to me at least) 365 hp (couldn't find the ft-lbs of torque) with a 0-60mph time of 5.8. (With the ecoboost (supercharged) engine.) The cyclone engine produces 263 hp.


I couldn't find any info on the mpg's for these two vehicles if someone else does please throw them in.


The chargers wheel base is longer (front to back) compared to the over all length of the car, and also has a shorter overall lenglh, narrower by a few inches from side to side, and is slightly shorter (again by a few inches.)


Charger has 16.2 cu. in. of trunk space vs the 20.6 cu. in. in the interceptor (don't know how much shape will be an effect or if there is any major differences.)


Both look like good vehicles, although the charger has had serveral years to work out the "bugs" and with this "new" line of engine from Ford I know I'd be a little hesitant to hop on the wagon just yet. Looks like it could end up being a matter of preference and discounts departments can get.


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The Charger has my vote. They are a great handling vehicle and you can have your choice of motor packages with the economy V6 which has great power and the more brutish V8 Hemi for those that can handle the extra power.


Now I do not believe that the Charger is the be all end all as we do need the Tahoe for K-9's and "special" vehicles that need this extra large space and that are not used as prisoner transport.


This is still a moot point to me as I think that the Carbon Motors E7 Police Unit is going to be the exceptional Police Unit of the future to be used for patrol work. You will still need the Tahoe for the special units and you will still need vehicles like maybe the Dodge, Chevy or Ford for Detective and unmarked use.


The Crown Vic was never a great Police Car. It was simply the best or only one offered for a long time. Back in the 70's and 80's when all three brands were in use you had the Torino or LTDII, both of which were garbage. Chevy had the Impala, and Nova which were pretty sweet. Dodge had The Gran Fury which I really liked or the Magnum 440 which was a rocket ship on wheels. Still, all were basically family sedans that you could get with heavy duty suspension and electrical circuits but still, just a family car. The Crown Vic is the same thing as it is really a Mercury Marquees. The Carbon Motors will be a purpose built Police Unit made and designed for and by police officers and not available to anyone that is not LE. Breaks my heart thou to know I will never get to drive one as i am retired.


I do have a Chrysler 300 which would actually made a decent police unit and I also have a Dodge Charger R/T with the Hemi which is basically the Police Package Charger. Love that vehicle. The handling on both, which uses the same platform, is fantastic!

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I also agree to stay away from any trucks as patrol vehicles, too light in the back. I have spoken with a number of guys that have checked out the new Ford Taurus Police Package and they all said the interior is smaller than the Charger and some Officers have issues with the Chargers as it is. This new Taurus "Police Interceptor" is STILL nothing more than the family car with a beefed up suspension and electrical. I think the SHO is even a better vehicle than this Police Package they tout. In the Dodge Charge it has been exactly the same as the R/T model with the exception of a beefed up electrical until now. The new Charger Police Units will also have additional suspension upgrades as well as the tuned suspension plus the electrical and extra cooling to the engine and tranny and rear end in addition to a beefed up tranny. I heard there was something else but can't remember. At present time I think that it is the best available.


Try again to convince the Chief to look at the Carbon Motors unit and explain to him that even though the unit costs a little more, it comes completely ready to roll and does not need time in the shop to add the expensive lights, sirens, flashers, prisoner cage, computers and radio or even paint job. Additionally the fuel mileage is better than the other units AND they are expected to last three times as long AND the company will buy the unit back from them when they choose to renew their fleet. These units will not be sold to the civilians for the thugs and wannabes to ride around in. Safer units as well and the Officers will be the envy of everywhere and actually be able to do a better job as they will feel more comfortable in their units. He needs to really see one of these units to appreciate how awesome it is and the great features that are standard and the features that you can get as options. Price may not be all that much different when you figure in the additions you have to put in a other manufacturers "police package" that are already in the E7 and then the longevity's of the unit and big picture savings. Worth a shot anyway.


 

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I drive an 08 Impala and can't say anything bad about it. It handles well and has plent of pick-up. The front wheel drive is awesome in the winter. We have four Chargers in our fleet too, soon to be seven. The guys that drive them like them as long as the roads are dry. So far this winter they pretty much park them everytime it snows. From what I hear they aren't worth a crap in the snow, many of them have gotten stuck multiple times. I would much rather have a vehicle that is practical versus one that "looks cool".

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i think the carbon is a neat car. the tahoe is fine for somethings but not for most in my opinion. you dont want to chase a sports car in a tahoe. i would take the taurus out of that list. the new caprice is basically a reskinned pontiac g8. they are actually made by a overseas company that gm owns(holden). parts are extremely high on them. the new camaro and g8 are both e body cars.

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Here's a good rundown on the civilian version of the Ford Interceptor (Taurus SHO):


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0909_2010_ford_taurus_sho_test/index.html


For those of you still thinking of the old turtle shaped Taurus, the new one is a full sized car, 1/3rd bigger than the old vehicle.


Here's a first look at the police version:


http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car/10q1/2012_ford_police_interceptor-car_news


They don't list MPG, but say it should be 25% better than the Crown Vic.  They also hint in the article that the 5-0 version will have even more power than the civilian Taurus.


I looked up the civilian Taurus MPG, and it looks like it tops out around 25 mpg highway.


I'd love to see a winter test drive of all the cars with the AWD version of this.  I'm not sure that I'm real keen on the diesel motor that Carbon is (talking about?) using.  It is definately cool looking, if not flashy.  My friend drives a Charger patrol car and likes it a lot, but that is pretty much all she's ever driven since becoming a deputy. 


If PL wants to provide me access to all of the above cars, a track, a bunch of gas, and some money, I'd be happy to write up a full article!  (And for me, in the Rockies, the winter/snow handling we be good to read about!)


Anyways, I think the good news is that all of the new LE vehicle options have been getting a lot of exciting updates/upgrades and should bring everything into the 21st century for performance and features.  Would love to take some of these out for a spin around the track!

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No offense intended Snowrider but with 6 months on and not even pass your probation period, how many police vehicle types have you driven? Do not deride your friend who likes the Charger because that is the only vehicle she has driven.


If you are such a car geek then why haven't you checked into the diesel motor that Carbon Motors is offering? It has shown itself to be not only a great performer with HP, torque, and MPG equal to or better than most offerings but also pretty darn bulletproof as well with 300,000 miles estimated to be the life of the motor in LE use! Sounds pretty good to me.


I have talked with some guys that have sat in this mew model Taurus and they still thought it more cramped than the Charger which is much less than the old CV was.


Go to www.carbonmotors.com and check the specifics out and I think you can't help but be impressed plus you have the advantage that it was designed by cops for cops and is a purpose built unit that is much safer than anything we have ever had in the past.

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