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 WHEN AN OFFICER IS KILLED OR INJURED IN THE LINE OF DUTY; I TODAY SEE, THAT IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THEIR TRAINING OR THEMSELVES OR THEIR DEPARTMENTS IN THE FAILURE TO PROTECT THEM. IT WAS A FAILURE OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT THEM. BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DID NOT GIVE THEM ENOUGH TOOLS; ENOUGH SUPPORT AND ENOUGH INFORMATION, TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.


IN COMMUNITY POLICING; THE POLICE ARE THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY ARE THE POLICE AND THE CLOSER THOSE "TWO" BECOME "ONE," THE MORE SOCIETY AS A WHOLE IS TO BLAME FOR ALLOWING ANOTHER POLICE OFFICER TO DIE IN THE FIELD.


IF A GENERAL LOSES SOLDIERS IN THE FIELD; HE IS SADDENED THAT HE COULD NOT PROTECT THEM.


AS A CITIZEN; OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE OUR SOLDIERS IN THE FIELD AND I AM SADDENED TO TEARS WHEN WE; AS CITIZENS CANNOT PROTECT YOU.


I PLACED THIS WRITING IN THE "TRAINING CONCEPTS AND TACTICS" COLUMN BECAUSE AS A STUDENT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, I SEE COMMUNITY POLICING AS ONE OF THE GREATEST "TACTICS" AND MOST IMPORTANT TRAINING CONCEPTS THAT AN OFFICER WILL EVER STUDY. IT IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT "TREND" AND MODEL OF AND FOR, MODERN DAY POLICING.


I KNOW  THAT YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY, AS IT IS "JUSTICE SYSTEM 101" BUT HERE IT IS AGAIN.....


YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY IS KEY TO WINNING THE TRUST AND SUPPORT OF THAT COMMUNITY.


IT IS KEY TO GETTING INFORMATION AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF EYES AND EARS OUT THERE IN THE STREET AND IF THEY ARE WORKING FOR YOU INSTEAD OF AGAINST YOU, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE A MORE EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND ULTIMATELY AND HOPEFULLY GAIN SOME INFORMATION THAT WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE.


I AM SICKENED BY THE ALMOST DAILY VIOLENT LOSS OF LE OFFICERS. IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS BETTER, THOUGH THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND MORE FOFFICERS BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR SENSE OF COMMUNITY BETTER BECAUSE THEN, THE SUPPORT FOR THE POLICE WILL COME FROM THAT.


IF MORE CITIZENS ARE TRULY SICKENED, AS I AM, ABOUT LE MORTALITY; THEN WE AS A COMMUNITY AND A SOCIETY WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT INSTEAD OF JUST READING ABOUT IT AND SAYING "GEE; ISN'T THAT TERRIBLE."


WE AS A SOCIETY HAVE TO GIVE THE OFFICERS MORE TOOLS TO STAY ALIVE; IF THAT IS EQUIPMENT; TRAINING OR NEW LEGISLATION FOR HARSHER LAWS BUT I AM FEELING THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOL THAT WILL OFFER THE MOST RAPID CHANGE IS THE GRASSROOTS AND STREET LEVEL SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY. IT COST NOTHING $$$ EXCEPT THE WORK BY THE POLICE AND THE CITIZENS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE CLOSER TOGETHER.


IF THERE ARE ANY POSSIBLE "ANSWERS" TO THE VIOLENCE AGAINST LE; I FEEL THIS IS ONE.


THERE ARE COMMUNITIES OUT THERE THAT YOU MAY SEE AS "LOST." THOSE ENTRENCHED IN VIOLENCE; DRUGS AND POVERTY. LET'S JUST CALL THEM "HARDER NUTS TO CRACK." THE POLICE CAN DO THEIR PART TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT BUT AGAIN; THE CITIZENS HAVE TO WANT THEIR COMMUNITIES TO IMPROVE. THE ONES THAT DO, MOST LIKELY LIVE IN FEAR OF REPRISAL FORM THE CRIMINAL ELEMENTS THAT CONTROL THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. 


IT TAKES A LOT TO  "CLEAN UP" A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IS KEY TO THAT THEN ADDING IN THE SUPPORT OF THE POLICE AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.


SOME COMMUNITIES ARE ON THE BUS AND SOME JUST ARE NOT. THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT, REMAIN OUR GREATEST SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES AS A SOCIETY BUT IN WINNING THE GREATER CHALLENGES WE REAP THE GREATER REWARDS. 


 


 


 

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 THIS ARTICLE ALSO POSTED IN "TACTICS AND TRAINING CONCEPTS."


I AM NOT AN LE OFFICER.

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Well put and I agree. Thank you for your words and support.

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OK. I'm gonna say this as nicely as I can. You are not, by your own admission, an LEO. This is very apparent in your "article". I put the word "article" in quotes because in order for it to be recognized as an article it needs to have a readership. I personally lost interest when you started talking about community Policing like you had some sort of basic Knowledge. You've pretty much got it all wrong. It is NOT the Community's job to protect us. It is our Job to protect them. As LEO, we know there are going to people out there who don't like us. So much so, that they would prefer to kill us. It is not the Community's job to equip us. That is done by our administration. It is not the Community's job to Train us. That job falls on our Sgts, LT's, and Capts. And more so on ourselves. Training isn't something you "gotta do on your day off". It's a style of living. It's something you do all the time to keep yourself alive. If you work hard, study, and get a Job on the Road with an LE Agency, then you can come back and talk all you want about Community Policing. Until then, don't profess to tell us what we need from who. I think we got it covered.

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 That is the exact attitude and tone that separates police officers from the community.

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 ...an an attitude and tone that perpetuates the "us and them" mentality of both police and citizens.

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 Welcome to the 21st century.


http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/commp.pdf

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LASecurity says ...



 Welcome to the 21st century.


http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/commp.pdf



 


First off, community policing is a philosophy, not a “tactic”. 
And in my opinion, BSL said nothing disrespectful. Your responses on the other hand offend me. 
You say you respect law enforcement but are blatantly disrespecting an actual LEO.
I don’t get it….either way, stay in school, you have a lot to learn. 

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A job well done is done by the hands of many working together, even Noah didn't build the ARC alone. I don't expect a "community" to protect me in the same sense that I protect them but I do expect that a community that is tired of being over run by pieces of shit to work with US to make their community a safer one. We can't have eyes on every street corner, there just is not enough of "us vs them". There is a place in every department for both Community Policing and Proactive Policing to be used side by side. And just a side note, the "community" does equipt us by their tax dollars - I am fortunate to be a member of a community that when times were tough on my department as well as the fire department - that the community came together and supported a tax increase to sustain us during a time of hardship, when they themselves were experiencing the same hardships. Stay safe everyone

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 Respect? I respect an open mind and this a non-leo forum.

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 A philosophy? "A "philosophy" that has been implemented in ever major metropolitan police agency in the United States in program and practice. Respect? Respect is a two way street.

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LA Security,


I have to ask why you feel it necessary to preach to the choir about the notion of community policing. We, who actually have to deal with the failures of this philosophy every day, know all too well its limitations. From where, in your extensive law enforcement experience, did you obtain your current level of understanding of CP? Your advanced degree in what discipline gives you the authority to explain to we "soldiers" in the trenches how to deal with the realities of policework in general and the theory of CP in particular? I'm very much interested in where you obtained the data that supports your ill formed layman opinions.


We bury our partners, as I have buried mine, and we have the honor and privilege of their memory and sacrifice. We will certainly bury more and may even be called to give up our own lives. You have the audacity to give us a class on how not to die? You are no authority in this field, have no training, no experience and absolutely no idea what doing this job really means...and really costs.


BSL merely said what nearly every officer who read your post was thinking, he was not disrespectful. Respect IS a two way street and you should be able to see where you left the road.

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Bump Dayngerus and BSL.  I agree with you both.


LA Security, you're coming off with a major chip on your shoulder, talking down to LEOs who actually do the work you read about.  They probably know more than you've read.  They also know what works and what doesn't from a street-view.  CP doesn't work everywhere, all the time.  Even I know this, and no, I'm not a LEO yet.


Admit you don't really have an idea of what you're talking about and bow out now.  This isn't going to end on a positive note otherwise.

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By the way, BSL wasn't "disrespecting" you.  Here, you earn respect, especially if you're not a LEO, which neither you nor I are.  You're owed nothing here except the chance to earn respect and a place as a respected supporter of Law Enforcement.


BSL just told it like it was.  If you don't like it, either take it up in PMs or pack it in.

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Yes, quit while you are behind. Many LE officers may be offended by your comments.

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LASecurity says ...



 Respect? I respect an open mind and this a non-leo forum.



This is a forum.  An avenue for discussions for matters of interest to a, given group.  In case if you haven't noticed.  This one, "given group", is titled, "Police Link", and the difference for opinions are divided by experience.  Yes, this site is publically accessed but, not all areas of this forum are accessible to the public.  The difference being, generally speaking is that you are a member of the public and not a law enforcement officer.  Not being an LEO or having experienced directly the organizational methods or the implimentation and results for that matter, from an LEO's standpoint of, Community Policing disqualifies you from being any authority on the subject.  What you read or study in a classroom is quite different from what is actually happening on the streets of any community.  Your opinion is considerably limited to your observations alone.  If you haven't been there, done that.  Then you just don't know for sure.  Understand? 


Here's a piece of advice for you.  Dump the attitude, and you need to respect those who do actually know what they are talking about, having experienced it.  Just a suggestion for your benefit.  Otherwise, it goes down hill form there bud.  

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LASecurity says ...



 Respect? I respect an open mind and this a non-leo forum.



This is a forum.  An avenue for discussions for matters of interest to a, given group.  In case if you haven't noticed.  This one, "given group", is titled, "Police Link", and the difference for opinions are divided by experience.  Yes, this site is publically accessed but, not all areas of this forum are accessible to the public.  The difference being, generally speaking is that you are a member of the public and not a law enforcement officer.  Not being an LEO or having experienced directly the organizational methods or the implimentation and results for that matter, from an LEO's standpoint of, Community Policing disqualifies you from being any authority on the subject.  What you read or study in a classroom is quite different from what is actually happening on the streets of any community.  Your opinion is considerably limited to your observations alone.  If you haven't been there, done that.  Then you just don't know for sure.  Understand? 


Here's a piece of advice for you son.  Dump the attitude, and you need to respect those who do actually know what they are talking about, having experienced it.  Just a suggestion for your benefit.  Otherwise, it goes down hill form there bud.  



BUMP!


Take your lumps, this is an LEO site. The civilians (such as myself) that are on this site are here to support LEO's and show them the respect they deserve and have done more than enough to earn. My suggestion, fall in line or you won't enjoy your short stay on the site.


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LASecurity says ...



 Welcome to the 21st century.


http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/commp.pdf



 


Sorry, I must have missed something....What makes you an expert on either 20th Century or 21st Century Policing?   Was it the Criminal Law II class you are taking in college? 


BTW, Community Policing is a philosophy, and as far as being implemented in every metropolitan police agency, it proved to be an abject failure in NYC.

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I have been a police officer for over 35 years.  I have been in shootouts, and some very dangerous situations. I am alive because I have not violated any of the 10 deadly errors.  I am alive because I have followed my instincts and training to the fullest, and none it it involved Community based policing.


If you don't know what the 10 deadly errors are, look them up.  It's something most police officers know like the back of their hand, and something most citizens have never heard of.


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A job well done is done by the hands of many working together, even Noah didn't build the ARC alone. I don't expect a "community" to protect me in the same sense that I protect them but I do expect that a community that is tired of being over run by pieces of shit to work with US to make their community a safer one. We can't have eyes on every street corner, there just is not enough of "us vs them". There is a place in every department for both Community Policing and Proactive Policing to be used side by side. And just a side note, the "community" does equipt us by their tax dollars - I am fortunate to be a member of a community that when times were tough on my department as well as the fire department - that the community came together and supported a tax increase to sustain us during a time of hardship, when they themselves were experiencing the same hardships. Stay safe everyone



RIGHT ON THE MONEY... 


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Albert Einstein, about the Copenhagen Interpretation.
“It has to be right, because it works so well. As per the nature of it, I make no hypothesis”
Sir Isaac Newton, regarding the Laws of Motion.

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 WHEN AN OFFICER IS KILLED OR INJURED IN THE LINE OF DUTY; I TODAY SEE, THAT IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THEIR TRAINING OR THEMSELVES OR THEIR DEPARTMENTS IN THE FAILURE TO PROTECT THEM. IT WAS A FAILURE OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT THEM. BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY DID NOT GIVE THEM ENOUGH TOOLS; ENOUGH SUPPORT AND ENOUGH INFORMATION, TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.


Actually, the reason why police officers are killed or injured is because not only the circumstances that the job brings...but because there are POS's that just don't give a duck's butt about anyone and will kill a cop just because he's a cop and will stop at nothing. Like cop killers care whether or not cops are supported by the law-abiding citizens of the community. If they have that intent, they will carry it out.


AS A CITIZEN; OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE OUR SOLDIERS IN THE FIELD AND I AM SADDENED TO TEARS WHEN WE; AS CITIZENS CANNOT PROTECT YOU.


As a  very wise LEO told me...soldiers are trained to be killers, cops are trained to be peacekeepers. We can support our LEO's but it's the LEO'S that go through the training to protect the community...it's their sworn duty.


I PLACED THIS WRITING IN THE "TRAINING CONCEPTS AND TACTICS" COLUMN BECAUSE AS A STUDENT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM, I SEE COMMUNITY POLICING AS ONE OF THE GREATEST "TACTICS" AND MOST IMPORTANT TRAINING CONCEPTS THAT AN OFFICER WILL EVER STUDY. IT IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT "TREND" AND MODEL OF AND FOR, MODERN DAY POLICING.


Book smarts doesn't mean street smarts.


IT IS KEY TO GETTING INFORMATION AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE. THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF EYES AND EARS OUT THERE IN THE STREET AND IF THEY ARE WORKING FOR YOU INSTEAD OF AGAINST YOU, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO BE A MORE EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND ULTIMATELY AND HOPEFULLY GAIN SOME INFORMATION THAT WILL KEEP YOU ALIVE.


The problem is thousand of those eyes and ears don't have the observance skills as LEO's. LEO's are trained to be extremely observant and vigilant. Sit on a bench and observe people.....a good majority of people are too caught up in their own world and lack the observance abilities or juts don't bother to channel it.


IT TAKES A LOT TO  "CLEAN UP" A BAD NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE IS KEY TO THAT THEN ADDING IN THE SUPPORT OF THE POLICE AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT.


If people truly want change, they will have to stand up. There are many people out there again, that don't give a crap.


SOME COMMUNITIES ARE ON THE BUS AND SOME JUST ARE NOT. THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE NOT, REMAIN OUR GREATEST SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC CHALLENGES AS A SOCIETY BUT IN WINNING THE GREATER CHALLENGES WE REAP THE GREATER REWARDS. 


 Remember, it's easy to judge a community based on crime rates, the economic status of a neighborhood etc. There are some "bad areas" with high crime....but A LOT of crimes also occur in nice neighborhoods and by people you'd never expect. 



 I truly wish we lived in a world where the communities cared about LE and LEO's but sadly...we live in a very greedy, self-entitled cutthroat society where it's every man for himself. I really don't like how you paint that somehow, it's the community's fault that there are LEO deaths....if there's ANYONE to blame for these deaths...it's the killers themselves.


Agree or disagree, this is my opinion.



 



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 ...an an attitude and tone that perpetuates the "us and them" mentality of both police and citizens.



I'm sure glad you know so damn much. Why don't you go do some community Policing? Oh wait! You can't! Cause you're NOT the Police. You have the Luxury of not knowing what I know, and not seeing what I see. I tell you what. You keep on writing your "articles" there guy. See where it gets you.

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LASecurity says ...



 ...an an attitude and tone that perpetuates the "us and them" mentality of both police and citizens.



I'm sure glad you know so damn much. Why don't you go do some community Policing? Oh wait! You can't! Cause you're NOT the Police. You have the Luxury of not knowing what I know, and not seeing what I see. I tell you what. You keep on writing your "articles" there guy. See where it gets you.



Bump this.  And LASecurity, if you think this is "disrespecting" you, you clearly know less than nothing about LE or what a LEOs job entains.  It's their sworn duty to protect the community - not the other way around.  Stop spouting mindless drivel, close your mouth, and listen.  You might just learn something.

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Bumps to BSL and GrayPanther... IF the op ever gets the chance to become an actual LEO, which seems doubtful based on their thin skin and need to lash back when someone says something that they don't like, then that will be the time when the find out what it feels like to be ACTUALLY disrespected.  I work for a very community oriented PD, but it doesn't take long to find someone who would rather call you all the names in the book and try to look tough.  It is far more satisfying just to smile back at them...

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BUMP!  Great read.