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Beretta PX4 Storm .40 malfunctions

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Hello, new to the forum, but not new to the job. I am currently in a N.C. Specialized Firearm's Instructor school. We have to shoot our departmental issued sidearm during this school. We are issued the Beretta PX4 Storm straight across the board. Patrol, Investigations, and SWAT all carry this weapon.


While in school, my weapon began having feeding issues. Then, it began giving light strikes on the primer, and failures to lock back or eject the magazine when empty. Out of 1000 rounds fired over two days, I had 4 light strikes, 3 failures to extract, 5 failures to lock back, and the mags absolutely would not eject.


There is another guy in class with the same caliber weapon as an issue. I had him shoot my weapon with his ammo and mags, and the same thing happened. Later, while ON LINE fixing to run a course of fire, we were given the command to make our weapons hot. When he put his mag in his weapon and released the slide into battery, the mag bottom popped off, and all of his rounds dumped through the bottom. IN THE SAME COURSE OF FIRE, WHILE SHOOTING, his slide came completely off the weapon. He went to the bench and reassembled the weapon. He came back to the line and shot a course and holstered. When he went to take the weapon out and make it hot, the slide was off of the weapon partially in his holster.


The instructor is a Beretta Armorer, and used to be paid to shoot competition by them. He presently shoots for STI. He told us that in march of last year, he had two females in his class that had the same failures ( both double feeding and the weapon losing it's slide ) on TWO SEPERATE weapons that were identical in model and caliber to each others, and ours.


Now, I consider this to be a catastrophic failure.  I am absolutely in fear for anyone carrying one of these weapons. ALL were .40 caliber. Mine is approximately 1.5 years old, with around 2000 rounds through it. They are giving me a brand new one out of the armory to take back to school (at home for the weekend), but my 96 will be in tow as well.


Anyone else had a malfunction like this, or heard of anyone else with these issues? Thanks... B safe.

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

Sorry to hear that.


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Were the two weapons around the same serial number?  I know in my department we got a bunch of new glocks and they had oil were there wasn't supposed to be oil and we were having problems with those. Hopefully it was just a bad batch.


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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

My dept. issues the PX4.  IMHO they are junk.  I had a serious problem with the rotating barrel.  During a course of fire a very small piece of debris flew into the cam area.  The weapon would not cycle after that.  I had to disassemble and do a complete cleaning before it would run.  This was not a dirty weapon.  I had a clean weapon and fired less than a mag. through it.  I complained to the brass  I got  a, oh well it works now don't it attitude.  At that point I began to ALWAYS carry a back-up weapon.  Prior to the PX4 we were issued the 96G Beretta which is a quality weapon.

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Well, there is an update. My Armorer called PB, and they requested that my weapon be sent back to them ASAP. I am quite sure that the Deputy in my class was asked to do the same. I am VERY dissapointed in PB over this. I can understand ONE bad apple, but 3 freakin weapons that have lost the slide? My department was not made aware of the issues with the two that lost their slides at the NCJA last march, which they should have posted something on their website, or at least contacted the PX4 armorers. My 96 always went boom when I asked it to. NEVER had a mag hangup, NEVER had a failure to lock back... I did have an occassional stove pipe ( I can think of 2, over 5 years of shooting that weapon), but it is a weapon that was shot OFTEN. It probably has well over 6k rounds through it with nothing more that a guide rod spring change, and to this day is more accurate than I. I am going to be quite interested in knowing how this will be handled. If I had my way, we would go with the M and P in 9mm or .40. Smith hit a damn Grand Slam with that weapon...


I think the PX4 was a hella good idea, but it is IMHO everything that the 96 was not, and that is not good. They should have ditched that locking system. People did not like it when they came out with the Cougar, and be damned if they did little more than take that POS system and put it on a polymer frame... I think they should make a run of the Billeniums in black stainless, then they would have something.


I am not sure about the batch numbers when compared to the other weapons that have failures... I do know that the instructor is drafting a letter over the weekend to send to them on our behalf. I mean my God, what the hell would happen if an Officer needs his weapon to go bang, and it pukes parks all over the place for him.

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

justicedealt...man apparently you have the same idea as me.  i'm in the class with you and i have the other pos px4.  i've been online all day searching for answers. 


guys asking about our serial numbers...we'll let you know next week.  i've had mine for about two years now.  until this week about 2000 rounds fired with no major problems.  let me tell ya. it's a sick feeling to see your slide fall off your gun in the middle of a course of fire.  lucky for me paper doesn't shoot back.  i took the gun apart and found no unusual wear or debris.  i brough a brand new spare px4 with me and it is also giving problems with magazines and failure to fire.  slide hasn't hit the ground on this one yet.   the magazines that have given me a problem are brand new.  the end cap came off of one of the new ones so i grabbed an extra one that i use for on duty.  this one has came off several times with ten or less rounds in the mag. 


i miss my 96.  better yet i miss my glock


 


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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

Hey Kyle... hope your weekend is going well. Picked up the new unit this morning. I decided to grab one that had been issued rather than a new one. I wanted one with some rounds on it so that I could try and get it up to the approximate round count as mine. I want to know if their is as threshhold to where the problems begin.  I can hear my admin. (possibly your's too) say "well, noone else is having problems with their's"... my answer is this, noone else in the department is shooting that POS as much as I am either...


But then again, you had a spare give you problems that was brand damn new... all I can say is this, I will have my 96 with me as well come monday. If the "new" PX4 gives me problems, I will shoot the 96, and I will qualify with it. I damn well may try to get the department to pay me for it, as this is MY weapon, and they are issuing substandard sidearms.


Be safe, see you sunday p.m. Let's grab some grub, stop by store, and go back and live the High Life...lol.


 

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Did your agency do any research or testing before going to this weapon, or did they make an agency purchase based on price point?


It's a redundant question, I already know the answer....

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You know what's up... In all seriousness, I do not know that price was an issue. Beretta did give a break, because my agency is a 3 time purchaser. 92,96, and now the PX4. We were all screaming for the Glock, but "they" said the Glock had too much recoil when compared to the PX4... go figure. The .40 is a snappy ass round, no matter what the platform. That was our argument. THEN they said, well the Beretta has a safety... so we were like, you USED to carry a model 10. Then they said, well, be glad you got a new one at all. And WE said, we would have rather kept the 96 (damn fine weapon). So really, I think it was a deal where they were buying to accomodate a fear of the minority of officer's on our deparment who they are not 100% confident in. My thing is this, why did we hire them in the first place....?

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You know what's up... In all seriousness, I do not know that price was an issue. Beretta did give a break, because my agency is a 3 time purchaser. 92,96, and now the PX4. We were all screaming for the Glock, but "they" said the Glock had too much recoil when compared to the PX4... go figure. The .40 is a snappy ass round, no matter what the platform. That was our argument. THEN they said, well the Beretta has a safety... so we were like, you USED to carry a model 10. Then they said, well, be glad you got a new one at all. And WE said, we would have rather kept the 96 (damn fine weapon). So really, I think it was a deal where they were buying to accomodate a fear of the minority of officer's on our deparment who they are not 100% confident in. My thing is this, why did we hire them in the first place....?

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I know this forum was started months ago, but I feel like I need to add this info.  I am a firearms instructor and work with regular qulaifications of our Deputies, and with our SWAT team shooting exercises.  We have had the PX4 Storm for about 4 years.  At first...It was great.  Shoots good, feels good, no problems.  I figured I have sot about 4000 rounds, and have had 0 malfunctions....until recently.  We noticed that we were having issues with magazines not dropping from the magazine well.  We contacted the quartermaster for our state's largest department who said they were having the same issues, as well as others.  We contacted Beretta, who at first didnt believe us.  In turn, we tsarted taking videos of th eissues.  Finally, they took all of the guns back and bored out the magazine wells.  They also sent new magazines to to prevent the footplate of them from falling off.  Then they told us that they had discovered an issue of the guide rod / recoil spring breaking. They sent us new ones, but we were reluctant to install them.


Last monday, at SWAT training, we installed them and shot with the new guide rods and springs.  WOW...never in my life have I seen so many problems.  First, the slides would not mover back and forth at all.  Then we had fail to feed and fail to extract issues.  We had issues of pulling the trigger and nothing happening, soft primer hits, the slide locking back for no apparent reason and more that I cannot remember.  This was all in about 90 minutes, with 8 shooters, and 200 rounds of ammo.  Needless to say, we put the old parts back in.  Later that day, the Sheriff ordered Sig P229 .40 caliber for all deputies.  


It seems as if Beretta doesnt want to stand by their product.  Several local very loyal Beretta Depts have switched and I strongly recommend that if you carry the storm, you should switch too.


FYI - I am a six year deputy, certified firearms instructor, and Beretta armorer.  I am sorry if these opinions offend anyone, but I do not feel comfortable carrying the weapon anymore.  If this post prevents one Police Officer from being killed or injured,  ithas served its purpose.