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Poll: How Do You Rotate Your 12's

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Poll: I think the best rotation is?

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Posted almost 4 years ago

 

 We are thinking of changing our 12 hour rotation from every 28 days going day to night to every shift. Two departments near us are doing it and say it's better for sleep because they sleep more at night in a row like normal humans...LOL  If anyone elses has tried this please let me know what you like better. Steady nights or days for a month or Rotating every shift you come in....I know when I am on nights I feel very out of touch with whats going on at the PD and don't really get caught up till were back on day work so I might like to try the rotating each shift....Looking forward to hearing you responses!


 

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What about constant shifts with never a rotation or a rebid?  in PHX we can stay on a particular shift our entire career if we want.

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Bury says ...



What about constant shifts with never a rotation or a rebid?  in PHX we can stay on a particular shift our entire career if we want.



Bump to that idea... my choice is to have one consistent shift.

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We work steady 12 hour shifts. Never rotate.

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Sleep? You don't need no stinkin' sleep!

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The Department I work for currently works a 12 hours shift rotating every two weeks.  It's tough because once you get used to Day shift your transition to Night shift and vice versa.  We used to work rotating 12 hours shifts every month which was much better cause you could adjust.  Ideally permanent shifts are best for an officers body.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

My department sets shifts (doesn't matter if they are 8's, 10's or 12's) for an entire quarter and these shifts are bid by seniority.  Next quarter could be different if someone senior to you wants a different shift for a quarter.


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We have two permanent shifts (1 Perm Day, 1 Perm Night) and two rotating shifts. For the shifts that rotate, it's every two months. Shift bids are every 6 months (might be going to year bids now, but not sure) and are supposed to be by senority. Not sure what you mean by rotating every shift, but if it is going back and forth from days to nights and vice versa multiple times in the same month, that sounds like it would SUCK. Anything that is consistent would work for me. Switching back and forth frequently messes with your body too much.


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I have worked a few 12 hour shifts, the first one was the 2 - 2. You work 2 day shifts then 2 night shifts then you are off for 4 days. Really 3 because you are always coming off of nights on the first day off. I liked that shift for the 4 days off but it was awful when you ended up working 2 partial and 4 total weekend before getting one off.


I am currently working the 3 -2 where you work days on Fri to Sun then you are off Mon and Tues. The nights Wed and Thurs to be off Fri to Sun. Then days Mon and Tues, off Wed and Thurs then night Fri to Sun.  and follow the above alternating days and nights. It is the most awful shift I have ever worked, you are always tired.

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6 on 3 off, 8.5 hour shifts, yearly shift bid.  Best I've worked in 26 years. Try it. You'll like it.

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We will be going to a 12 hour schedule starting next year (2011).  It's a year long rotation.  It breaks up our patrol section into 4 shifts: 0600-1800, 0700-1900, 1800-0600, and 1900-0700.  The most days in a row we will work is 3 and we are given 2 long weekends off a month.  Because we are working over 2080 hours for the year, we are mandated to take 8.6 "duty reduction days" during our vacation draw.  This mean an extra 9 days, chosen by senority, off during the year. 


Our Supervisors were on the 8.5 hour shifts and were always having to have shortages filled by overtime.  Our Patrol schedule now is the old 6 days in a row one..........terrible.


Our Department is at 260 sworn with a shortage of 42.  The 12 hour shifts should help improve manpower issues.  


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 In my department... we change shifts every quarter no matter the seniority.  We are a very small department and the Chief wants us to get to know the community in all hours of the day.  He also does not want the community to get use to certain officers, since we all have different types of enforcement..... Ever since we have started this... we have seen better enforcement from officers.  While this works well for smaller departments I don't see that it really matters to bigger departments unless the officers like change...


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We work 7 day stretches (7 on/2 off; 7 on/5 off) on "permanant shifts". We can change shifts by bid.


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I have done both and like staying on the same shift for the entire month as it is a different type of policing done during each shift and by staying on that shift for a month at a time allows you to see any patterns. It also allows your body to accustom itself to a pattern so you are more alert while working. I also like the idea of three shifts again as there is a definite change in policing. Days there are lots of PR and admin and follow up work to be done and when given a choice the more senior Officers usually ask for this shift. The evening shift is wild and woolly with lots of action and hard-charging but it also requires experience. Those most often wanting this shift are the Officers who have 5-10 years on the force and are smart enough and physically fit enough to handle this type of police work. The Midnight shift is great as the first couple of hours is still wild and woolly but it usually tapers off after 2-3am so you can finish your reports and the rest of the time is sneaking and peeking for commercial crimes AND teaching. This is the shift that is great for the rookies as it gives them the taste of excitement but also the time to learn how to write proper reports and all the other things they must learn to become great LEOs. Rookies are often assigned to that shift as they have the least seniority but there are still a number of senior Officers that like that shift to be able to teach the 'kids'.


Whether you change monthly or are allowed to request your shift every three months, (I have seen this done also successfully), or change every shift you can use the different times as a guideline for training and understanding what your shift will be doing.

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Bump Robocop33 on this one.  I too have done both and the monthly  shift change is a lot easier on you.

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My department works a 5 on 3 off schedule with rotating days off. 3 weeks of 8 hours shifts then 4 weeks of 10 hours shifts.

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We used to change every 14 days. We voted as a unit to go to straight days or nights and it passed with flying colors. I have been on nights ever since...I love it!


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We rotate our 12's every 2 months regardless of rank or time in service. But I still prefer working the nights.

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Where I work, Officers work 4-10's, non-rotating, selected by seniority once a year.  Dispatch works 5-8's, non-rotating, also selected by senority once a year.  (During training officers and dispatchers will rotate so they see a variety of activity)

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My department rotates once every 90 days. Three days off are standard, 10 hour shifts (except Midnights).


 


The entire dept is divided in half, with teams of fourths:  one half works nights and the other half does days... while my team of 3 officers - 1/4 of the dept- is doing Mon-Thurs at night, the other team of 3 handles Fri-Mon.  The same applies to the half that works days.  All hours are covered and nobody gets burned out.


I work 3 months of evening shift, Monday thru Thursday.  Then, I shift to day shift, Friday through Monday for 3 months.  Then I flip back again.  My day shifts run from 0500-1500; evening shifts run from 1500-0100.  There are other variants of these shifts that are used sometimes when a shortage occurs...such as 1600-0200 or 0700-1700, etc..  (Midnight shift rotates between 10 and 8 hour shifts but we are not affected by what they do.)


So, for the year, I spend six months on days and six months on evenings.  Midnight shift is permanent and does get to take turns getting a four day workweek with 10's, one officer of the three at a time. 


Honestly, this is the BEST shift I've ever had in ANY job. 


My last department was incredibly unstable... sometimes we changed shifts monthly, other times we rotated shifts every seven days...and believe me...THAT WAS THE WORST! 


Departments that force changing shifts rapidly find that healthcare costs increase...because people get sick more often due to lack of restful sleep.  Most experts say rotations should never occur in cycles of less than 90 days because it takes so much time for your body to adjust.

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There is enough stress in a LEO life .  With out not getting sleep . 


It causes health problems , marital problems, etc. .


Every 30 days is bad enough .  Think 90 days would work.


Just sayen , worked plenty of both and sometimes 24's but it is what it is .


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Bump Robo and others- things / people to stay connected with and I just feel better on days ..

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PETE114 says ...



We will be going to a 12 hour schedule starting next year (2011).  It's a year long rotation.  It breaks up our patrol section into 4 shifts: 0600-1800, 0700-1900, 1800-0600, and 1900-0700.  The most days in a row we will work is 3 and we are given 2 long weekends off a month.  Because we are working over 2080 hours for the year, we are mandated to take 8.6 "duty reduction days" during our vacation draw.  This mean an extra 9 days, chosen by senority, off during the year. 


Our Supervisors were on the 8.5 hour shifts and were always having to have shortages filled by overtime.  Our Patrol schedule now is the old 6 days in a row one..........terrible.


Our Department is at 260 sworn with a shortage of 42.  The 12 hour shifts should help improve manpower issues.  



Not sure why you are running a 0600-1800 and a 0700-1900. We run 0600-1800 and 1800-0600. Never had the need for overlap. and if you only have one or the other, say 0600-1800 / 1800-0600 then you have the benefit of extra manpower to make this rotation work, based on a 28 day cycle; 4 on 4 off, 4 on 4 off, 4 on 4 off, 2 on 2 off. This is what we currently work and it is a good deal. You always know you will have a 3 day weekend once a month no matter which rotation you are on. There is an alternative of 5 on 5 off, 5 on 5 off, 4 on 4 off. Either way it seems like a lot of days working 12's, but having the equal number off is very nice. And on our's I can burn 4 days vacation and get 12 off with regular days off on either side. We had the same concerns (4 nights or days of 12's) but once we started doing it it turned out it wasn't that big of a deal.


 


As to the original question, research has proven that it takes the human body, on average, 30 - 45 days to adjust to a new sleep patern. So whether you change by set or by month you are never letting your body correctly adjust. This can cause health issues stemming from the lack of sleep and stress. I have read that for those who rotate the best is every 6 months so you can correctly adjust you body clock. Here we don't switch at all. If you want to change, and can get someone to change with you, or request it when a rookie gets cut loose you can move. But most of us, even with seniority, are happy where we are. I have worked the night shift for 19 years and to me that is as normal and natural as someone who has never worked anything but days. And, since it is a different kind of stupid after dark, I wouldn't have it any other way. At least not right now. Maybe one day.


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