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Poll: Should Marijuana be legalized for recreational use?

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With several states legalizing the use of Marijuana for medical purposes it was certainly only a matter of time before there was an attempt to legalize the use of Marijuana for recreational use.  No big surprise, the State of California places its Proposition 19 on the voting ballot during the mid-term elections to do just that. Despite having a reputation as the home of an uber-Liberal population of Loonies, Election Day came and went in California with the population stepping forward, to the great chagrin of the Pot Heads and "Hemp" Rationalizers, and voting "NO" on Proposition 19.  Apparently there is "Intelligent Life" in California after all, and they have spoken loud and clear.  For that I applaud them.


While the Marijuana/Hemp supporters were running around waving their "Weed Flag" and verbally attacking our LEO Community in some recent threads, I can happily report that these victims of "Reefer Madness" have failed in their attempt to legalize Marijuana for recreational use this time. This is just one battle, and I am sure the same group will ressurect itself prior to the National elections in 2012. What they fail to realize, or acknowledge, is that the use, possession and/or distribution of Marijuana is still illegal in this country (with the medical use exception in some states) and that we, as the LE Community, will continue to enforce the law until such time that the laws regarding Marijuana are changed by legitimate means.



 


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i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.



Can it please be an areosol so we can send the trucks around to spray like the mosquito trucks?


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i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.



Can it please be an areosol so we can send the trucks around to spray like the mosquito trucks?


 BIG BUMP, I WILL EVEN DRIVE THE TRUCK.


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Hard to say for sure but, I can't help but believe that there is a good chance of marijuana legalization happening somewhere, sometime.  All you have to do is look at how so many other basic beliefs and ideas of living have gone by the way-side.  Things like raising childern, working for a living, being held responsible for your kids and what you do.  Even something as simple as knowing your neighbors.  The influx of illegal aliens (not bashing any specific ethnic group here).  Terrorists infiltrating our homeland, and the lists go on and on.  I shudder to think what it will be like in say, twenty-five years.  It can be a bit scary if you really take time to think about it with what has happened these past ten years.  I am genuinely concerned for my grandchildren and their children.  Something, several things actually, needs to change.  I cast my votes yesterday in my effort to do my best to help things along but, I can't help but be concerned for the future of this country, and for my family.  I think I need a beer, or two maybe.   

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 Im not sure if politicians know or really care, but most of our drugs come from South of the Border.  These cartels are destroying Mexico, they are the coyotes "guiding" immigrants across the border, and by guiding I mean, "leaving to die"; "kidnapping"; "forced prostitution"; "slavery" I could go on.  Not only that but a lot of the major cartels are working with terrorist organizations for weapons and training.  The United States does an ok job at catching the drugs.  Most of the cocaine, heroine, and major drugs get caught at the border.  So where do all of the cartels get their money for their nefarious acts.  I'll give you one guess.  Did you guess Marijuana?  If you did you'd be right.  Marijuana does seem like a big deal in the United States right?  Well the cartels have figured that out and are pushing so much into the United States its impossible to catch it all, and it makes up for losses in major drugs being caught, and allows them to do the rest of their evil and wrongful acts.


 


Marijuana is a big deal, and we should treat it that way.


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Its not verifiable fact, and I have to admit that.  I got it from some VICE detectives here in town with the LVMPD.  It was during a guest lecture form a class on evidence I was taking a semester or two ago.  He said that most of the cartels lose money on major drugs like heroine and cocaine.  Because it gets caught at the border or in the various jurisdictions across the United States, whereas they make up for losses by pushing large amounts of marijuana into the country.  The detective and his team has worked some international cases like with Ecuador specifically to track and take down contingencies and drugs in both countries.  So it is from a trustworthy source, although it is my own personal extrapolation.  In addition to that even if hispanic cartels are losing money on drugs like heroin and cocaine.  There is still a lot of drugs coming from the golden triangle and golden crescent.  Not just through our Mexican/USA border, but through Canada/USA and major ports of entry at our water ways.  So, I am only making a claim about certain drugs on one border.


 


It would be more accurate for me to say that Mexican Drug cartels make most of their money on marijuana, because although heroine, cocaine can be very lucrative it can easily lead to large losses unlike marijuana trade.


 


That aside it does nothing in disproving the fact that the United States underestimates the danger of marijuana, and that it does not necessarily come from habitual use, but from the source.


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Even legalization of Marijuana for medical purposes makes no sense.  Someone gets cancer because he or she smokes and what does the doctor prescribe?  Smoking.  DUH!

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rickm says ...



i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.



They have.......................it's called "paddledatarse" till they can sit. If it fails to work at first - double up on the dosage and continue the medication until desired results are achieved.


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i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.



That's what I was going to say- you always take all the good lines!

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I think Prop 19 would have passed had the users not been using on that day...They forgot to vote after they stopped off for their bag of Doritos.


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Absolutely not for recreational purposes. Even under medical purposes it still deteriorates the mind mentally and physically so you're adding onto the problems you already have. Plus I don't like the idea of dispensaries. There would be a few in the herd who could be selling it illegally by funding the wrong type of people they bought it off of. Even if taxed, it doesn't matter. The government will always owe us (just kidding Uncle Sam, you know I love you!).


And I hope nobody brings up Amsterdam as a good example of why it should be legalized! Spare me.


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Absolutely not for recreational purposes. Even under medical purposes it still deteriorates the mind mentally and physically so you're adding onto the problems you already have. Plus I don't like the idea of dispensaries. There would be a few in the herd who could be selling it illegally by funding the wrong type of people they bought it off of. Even if taxed, it doesn't matter. The government will always owe us (just kidding Uncle Sam, you know I love you!).


And I hope nobody brings up Amsterdam as a good example of why it should be legalized! Spare me.




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i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.


 


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i wish someone would come up with a drug that makes people gets jobs, be accountable and responsible and become good citizens.



But imagine the threat to job security this would pose to police officers?!


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My wife visited her sister in th L.A  area and she told me there are pot clinics on every corner.



"Clinics"?


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My wife visited her sister in th L.A  area and she told me there are pot clinics on every corner.


 


 


LMAO. Yea cuz this totally sounds realistic...


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 Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?  This thought just occurred to me....


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 Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?  This thought just occurred to me....



I guess it all depends on the slant you want to believe.  Only certain types of alcohol have been shown to actually have a good result for the body. . . .but only in small amounts.  Supposedly, certain types of wine assist with the circulatory system but it only takes a glass of it per day, not drank to excess.  One downside to alcohol if taken consistantly to extremes is that one can actually die from the Delerium Tremors (DT's).  I've been told (i.e. don't know for sure, never researched it) that alcohol is the only drug that can do this.


Marijuana, similar effects to alcohol in the way of a depressant but is usually smoked to get into the body.  Can't be that good on the lungs and can affect everyone in the room with enough smoke wafting through the room.  Alcohol takes its toll on the liver.  Marijuana also stays in the system considerably longer than alcohol. . . . .a month for marijuana compared to about a day for alcohol.  Both will cause slow & poor decision making if taken in large enough doses.


So to be completely honest, neither is good taken in substantial quanities and really the only purpose behind either is to depress body functions, including the brain.  Both tend to assist one in forgetting, at least for a time.  Both can and do have severe downsides. . . .again, depending on how much is taken.


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 Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?  This thought just occurred to me....



guess it depends on how you define "worse."


In moderation, alcohol is actually healthy for you.


In no moderation is there a real benefit for marijuana. I don't buy into the medical marijuana bs. There are no scientific studies that show any use that it helps or is any better for you then modern synthetic medications.


For those who are wondering why I think I have the knowledge to say that, my mother is a nurse, step-father is a doctor.


Fail in AZ last election period for passing the medical marijuana prop. Now everyone has "chronic back pain" or "chronic migranes"


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 Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?  This thought just occurred to me....



guess it depends on how you define "worse."


In moderation, alcohol is actually healthy for you.


In no moderation is there a real benefit for marijuana. I don't buy into the medical marijuana bs. There are no scientific studies that show any use that it helps or is any better for you then modern synthetic medications.


For those who are wondering why I think I have the knowledge to say that, my mother is a nurse, step-father is a doctor.


Fail in AZ last election period for passing the medical marijuana prop. Now everyone has "chronic back pain" or "chronic migranes"



So THAT'S why some of the pot is called Chronic!!! 


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Some Colorado cities/towns have legalized medical marijuana. To be honest, I can't stand the stench of it, and I do not think it should be legalized for recreational use. You will have irresponsible people get high all the time and cause trouble and maybe even drive under the effects of the drug. It's illegal for a reason and it should stay that way.


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 Which is worse? Alcohol or marijuana?  This thought just occurred to me....


 


 


 


 




Alcohol by a mile.  It kills more than all illegal drugs combined.  It causes more DUI deaths than all combined as well too.  Should it be illegal? No.  Why, because this is a free society, and like all drugs it has it's place. Worse as long as there's a demand, people will get it by whatever means they need to.  


The people must exercise proper judgment when using any drug (alcohol included) or deal with the consequences, just like real life. 



While i agree proper judgment is important, and usually the lack of it causes the problems. But is the reason why there are more deaths involving alccohol because the avalibility is greater?


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 Im not sure if politicians know or really care, but most of our drugs come from South of the Border.  These cartels are destroying Mexico, they are the coyotes "guiding" immigrants across the border, and by guiding I mean, "leaving to die"; "kidnapping"; "forced prostitution"; "slavery" I could go on.  Not only that but a lot of the major cartels are working with terrorist organizations for weapons and training.  The United States does an ok job at catching the drugs.  Most of the cocaine, heroine, and major drugs get caught at the border.  So where do all of the cartels get their money for their nefarious acts.  I'll give you one guess.  Did you guess Marijuana?  If you did you'd be right.  Marijuana does seem like a big deal in the United States right?  Well the cartels have figured that out and are pushing so much into the United States its impossible to catch it all, and it makes up for losses in major drugs being caught, and allows them to do the rest of their evil and wrongful acts.


 


Marijuana is a big deal, and we should treat it that way.



I would have to say that you are WAY off.  My understanding from my kids is that there are way more pushers with crack heroin and Rx pills than marijauna.  Friends that never grew up tell me it is really easy to get any amt. of smack but they can't find 5 bucks of marijuana to save their life.  I guess all regions of the country are different.  Also with so many people growing indoors it has made an impact.  I bet you my savings that if it is the good herb, "hydro" or "kind" it didn't come from South of the border.  It came from your neighbor!

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Its not verifiable fact, and I have to admit that.  I got it from some VICE detectives here in town with the LVMPD.  It was during a guest lecture form a class on evidence I was taking a semester or two ago.  He said that most of the cartels lose money on major drugs like heroine and cocaine.  Because it gets caught at the border or in the various jurisdictions across the United States, whereas they make up for losses by pushing large amounts of marijuana into the country.  The detective and his team has worked some international cases like with Ecuador specifically to track and take down contingencies and drugs in both countries.  So it is from a trustworthy source, although it is my own personal extrapolation.  In addition to that even if hispanic cartels are losing money on drugs like heroin and cocaine.  There is still a lot of drugs coming from the golden triangle and golden crescent.  Not just through our Mexican/USA border, but through Canada/USA and major ports of entry at our water ways.  So, I am only making a claim about certain drugs on one border.


 


It would be more accurate for me to say that Mexican Drug cartels make most of their money on marijuana, because although heroine, cocaine can be very lucrative it can easily lead to large losses unlike marijuana trade.


 


That aside it does nothing in disproving the fact that the United States underestimates the danger of marijuana, and that it does not necessarily come from habitual use, but from the source.



Again you are so far off.  Why would coke and heroin be easier to find at the border than marijauna?  It doesn't have the heavy scent and you can get way more product of coke and heroin, which is way more profitable and undetectable, in the same size space you put marijuana.  You just don't make sense in your argument.  YES it IS a drug and it IS ILLEGAL!!!  It is a gateway drug and it is wrong.  We get that but going to measures of making inaccurate stories up is ludacris

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But then if it were legalized, how would they be able to test for driving while under the influence?  I mean test for impairment? 

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Absolutely not for recreational purposes. Even under medical purposes it still deteriorates the mind mentally and physically so you're adding onto the problems you already have. Plus I don't like the idea of dispensaries. There would be a few in the herd who could be selling it illegally by funding the wrong type of people they bought it off of. Even if taxed, it doesn't matter. The government will always owe us (just kidding Uncle Sam, you know I love you!).


And I hope nobody brings up Amsterdam as a good example of why it should be legalized! Spare me.



All true but if you REALLY NEED an Rx for it then your body is pretty much deteriorated already and it could only ease ones mind if they are in chemo or late stages of HIV. 


I too think that the dispensaries must adhere to extremely strict rules.  Same goes for responsible doctors!!!  prescribing marijuana for anxiety?  I have anxiety but it is maintained by a non-narcotic!!!

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But then if it were legalized, how would they be able to test for driving while under the influence?  I mean test for impairment? 



There are things we do now already.  We don't use the standardized field sobriety tests (walk and turn, one legged stand, HGN) for this.  Those are only good for alcohol impaired drivers.  There are other ways to detect drugged drivers.


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 Thanks, Pete.  I don't know what those are.  Do they vary from state to state?  Or are they pretty standard like field sobriety checks for alcohol??

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Zero tolerance on any drug or intoxicating compound in one's system.  A lot of people think of alcohol when they hear DUI or DWI.  Most States have protocols and laws in place to prosecute impaired drivers.  It can be illegal drugs, prescription drugs, of other substances that get people "high".  


You hear people talk about how pot is a less dangerous drug than alcohol.  Add in driving and its just as deadly.    


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 Thanks, Pete.  I don't know what those are.  Do they vary from state to state?  Or are they pretty standard like field sobriety checks for alcohol??



Yeah Marly they are standardized, just like SFST's.

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