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How to get onto SWAT or K9

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Jpd_new_max50

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First become a LEO.  Then we will tell you.


SWAT operators and K9 handlers had to master being proficient Officers/Deputies/Troopers/Constables, etc. before doing what they do now. 


I do both, but I'm a POLICE OFFICER before I'm K9 or SWAT.


Good luck, keep your nose clean, and stay safe.


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George Orwell

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.”
― Sun Tzu

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Pete you are so correct.

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You can always break down the numbers....


According to Terry Fleck (K9 Law God...jk), of the nearly 1,000,000 sworn LEOs out there, there are only 16,000 K9 handlers. 


At my PD (like others out there), about 7% (20 of 300) of the Department are on the SWAT team. 


 


So, after finally beating out thousands of entry level police officer applicants and getting hired.....you basically have to do it all over again to get into the LE field you want to get into (Detective, Traffic, SWAT, K9, Schools, and so on). 


 


Concentrate on getting hired before asking what you want to do.  Good luck to all!


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can you work in a team environment?


are you mission oriented>




can u follow orders?


are you tacticall proficient?


are you physically fit?


are you extremely ethical?


are you willing to withstand long hours of ardous training?


are you willing to be called out at any time of the day or night?


are you willing to go above the basic calling and fully commit to a goal>?


are you a master of the craft of policing?


are you a take charge individual or do you wait around to be told what to do?


do you have a excellent knowledge of search and seizure, the laws of your state, your community, your sops, and the standards of the profession


are you willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for your community and mission


are you willing to be out on a call in all kinds of weather to accomplish the mission>?


are you willing to dedicate your off duty time to take care of, train your dog, make sure your kit is operable?


are you up to speed on new developments and training standards?


are you willing to work with members of other depts who might have a different approach to tactics, mission and strategies?


do you have a working relationship with command staff?


 


thats just a start


 

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Bump...these two question get old, I mean they really do get old. Both show a complete lack of research and maturity for law enforcement and it is totally impossible for me to take someone serious who talks like that.


I think alot of these people who think swat swat swat would be better off joining the Army or Marine combat arms and volunteer for deployments if they want that sort of thrill.

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rickm says ...



can you work in a team environment?


are you mission oriented>




can u follow orders?


are you tacticall proficient?


are you physically fit?


are you extremely ethical?


are you willing to withstand long hours of ardous training?


are you willing to be called out at any time of the day or night?


are you willing to go above the basic calling and fully commit to a goal>?


are you a master of the craft of policing?


are you a take charge individual or do you wait around to be told what to do?


do you have a excellent knowledge of search and seizure, the laws of your state, your community, your sops, and the standards of the profession


are you willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for your community and mission


are you willing to be out on a call in all kinds of weather to accomplish the mission>?


are you willing to dedicate your off duty time to take care of, train your dog, make sure your kit is operable?


are you up to speed on new developments and training standards?


are you willing to work with members of other depts who might have a different approach to tactics, mission and strategies?


do you have a working relationship with command staff?


 


thats just a start


 



That's just basic Policing.

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PSD_Team_Leader says ...



Bump...these two question get old, I mean they really do get old. Both show a complete lack of research and maturity for law enforcement and it is totally impossible for me to take someone serious who talks like that.


I think alot of these people who think swat swat swat would be better off joining the Army or Marine combat arms and volunteer for deployments if they want that sort of thrill.



 


I tell “kids” that all the time who talk about SWAT like they now something if you think you are that HUA! Join the Marines!


-Fallow Your Bliss

(It’s a play on words…not a spelling error)

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PSD_Team_Leader says ...



Bump...these two question get old, I mean they really do get old. Both show a complete lack of research and maturity for law enforcement and it is totally impossible for me to take someone serious who talks like that.


I think alot of these people who think swat swat swat would be better off joining the Army or Marine combat arms and volunteer for deployments if they want that sort of thrill.



 


I tell “kids” that all the time who talk about SWAT like they now something if you think you are that HUA! Join the Marines!



OO-Rah.  Tell them if they think SWAT school is tough, don't ever enlist in the Corps and go to Recon school.  They'd die.

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BUMP


-Fallow Your Bliss

(It’s a play on words…not a spelling error)

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bsl your right, in re reading it - it do sound like basic policing

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rickm says ...



bsl your right, in re reading it - it do sound like basic policing



Yeah he has a point, its the standards that all police officers should be asked before being made a conditional offer for employment

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PSD_Team_Leader says ...



Bump...these two question get old, I mean they really do get old. Both show a complete lack of research and maturity for law enforcement and it is totally impossible for me to take someone serious who talks like that.


I think alot of these people who think swat swat swat would be better off joining the Army or Marine combat arms and volunteer for deployments if they want that sort of thrill.



BUMP


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It may all be the same as normal LE requirements and seem simple to you once you're a serving law enforcement member but when you haven't been in a civilian LE position or really talked to a recruiter it can be the simple things that you overlook. Such as having to be a member of the LAw Enforcement for your area before you can be a member of their SWAT or K-9, and because I've failed to think about something so simple as that I appreciate what Pete wrote and the tips that other officers left as well. Thanks and I'll remember the simple stuff before I get too caught up in gung ho fantasies of kicking in doors or finding drugs and bombs with a K-9 xP

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It may all be the same as normal LE requirements and seem simple to you once you're a serving law enforcement member but when you haven't been in a civilian LE position or really talked to a recruiter it can be the simple things that you overlook. Such as having to be a member of the LAw Enforcement for your area before you can be a member of their SWAT or K-9, and because I've failed to think about something so simple as that I appreciate what Pete wrote and the tips that other officers left as well. Thanks and I'll remember the simple stuff before I get too caught up in gung ho fantasies of kicking in doors or finding drugs and bombs with a K-9 xP



Huh?


How are you going to be a member of an elite unit without being an Officer with that agency? That's like being an Army Ranger. You kinda gotta be in the Army first.

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Tengri says ...



It may all be the same as normal LE requirements and seem simple to you once you're a serving law enforcement member but when you haven't been in a civilian LE position or really talked to a recruiter it can be the simple things that you overlook. Such as having to be a member of the LAw Enforcement for your area before you can be a member of their SWAT or K-9, and because I've failed to think about something so simple as that I appreciate what Pete wrote and the tips that other officers left as well. Thanks and I'll remember the simple stuff before I get too caught up in gung ho fantasies of kicking in doors or finding drugs and bombs with a K-9 xP



Huh?


How are you going to be a member of an elite unit without being an Officer with that agency? That's like being an Army Ranger. You kinda gotta be in the Army first.



Eh, like I said I got excited it wasn't that I thought I wouldn't be an officer in the agency just that I would be a K-9 Officer or SWAT Officer in the agency. It's the small stuff that you're going to overlook...or maybe it's just me.

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Typically you're going to be Patrol for a minimum of 2 years before you even get a chance to try out for a Specialized Unit. And even then, there's only so many positions, and the senior guys get first dibs. I knew a K9 guy at the SO that didn't get his chance to Try for K9 for 9 years. And as Far as SWAT goes, the Job itself is HIGHLY over glamourized, and you don't get called out nearly as often as some folks like to think. Unless you work in a place Like Detroit, LA, Chicago, etc etc, you could go an entire career, and never once get called out.

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two years? try five or ten. SWAT is going the way of the goonie bird, as its just too darn expensive to maintain a team and most places dont use them anyway, what is going to more prevelant is multi jurisdictional teams, which will be harder to get in

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Thats the number one issue that most people outside of LE overlook...most agencies dont even have a SWAT team. In this area, there is one full time SWAT team, just one, and that is HPD. The other 60+ agencies in the area do not have a full time SWAT team. Now many have SRT units...which are on call and like mentioned, almost never get called out...and the ones that do get called out, it is usually for narcotics warrants, felony arrests, mental warrants, or high risk search warrants.


The beauty of LE is anyone who wants to get SWAT training now can get it. The lowly officer right out of FTO/probationary period can now take police tactical courses on his own or through the request process through work. The days of doing nothing and calling SWAT are gone. Patrol officers are doing their own felony warrants, narcotics units are doing their own search warrants, there are divisions and units that have specific purpose for specific areas of LE, any cop can go through a building clearance, high risk patrol tactics, active shooter incident, incident command, tactical patrol rifle/pistol/shotgun, low light shooting...and on and on course.


I could go on and on, this will always be a part of PL...someone will always say they want to be SWAT, while not really concentrating on the broad "scholastic' side of LE

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As for K9, good luck with that. As someone mentioned, you pretty much have to have someone die or get fired to move into that position. We have 2 or 3 "King" units in my agency and the 2 guys I have met are not going anywhere anytime soon. And my agency is a 300 deputy agency....imagine how hard it is to get for an agency that is lets say 10-50 officers.


and thats another thing for the people who are not in LE....do they take into account the size of the agency they want to work for?

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Thats the number one issue that most people outside of LE overlook...most agencies dont even have a SWAT team. In this area, there is one full time SWAT team, just one, and that is HPD. The other 60+ agencies in the area do not have a full time SWAT team. Now many have SRT units...which are on call and like mentioned, almost never get called out...and the ones that do get called out, it is usually for narcotics warrants, felony arrests, mental warrants, or high risk search warrants.


The beauty of LE is anyone who wants to get SWAT training now can get it. The lowly officer right out of FTO/probationary period can now take police tactical courses on his own or through the request process through work. The days of doing nothing and calling SWAT are gone. Patrol officers are doing their own felony warrants, narcotics units are doing their own search warrants, there are divisions and units that have specific purpose for specific areas of LE, any cop can go through a building clearance, high risk patrol tactics, active shooter incident, incident command, tactical patrol rifle/pistol/shotgun, low light shooting...and on and on course.


I could go on and on, this will always be a part of PL...someone will always say they want to be SWAT, while not really concentrating on the broad "scholastic' side of LE



When active shooter incidents started becomeing more common and more violent, that was kinda the begginning of the end of SWAT, now in many agencies the patrol officer is the SWAT guy, he has the weapon (M4 or the like) and some of the same training, and handles the situation (with other officers of course).

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Yessir...have some buddies in other agencies who are patrol officers and 2 of them tell me that their are issued ballistic shields and kevlar helmets to be kept in the trunks of the patrol cruiser. Many agencies use patrol officers to execute felony warrants and of course that IS who is going to respond to an ASI...right on.


When I went to the tactical command and supervision course in the Dallas area a few months back, I learned that Irving, Dallas, and Bedford (all northeast Texas agencies) all require SWAT or SRT to execute warrants for those "in crisis" (ie mentally ill) who are suicidal, homicidal, and armed. In mental warrants, we do anywhere from 5-10 of those a week along with the myriad of other mental warrants we do. That went a long way to show me that while there is still SWAT/SRT units out there, there are also certain divisions that employ SWAT tactics, training, and execution in pursuance of their duties. It is not hard to imagine the Gulf Coast Violent Offenders Taskforce (which large agencies in the area contribute officers and deputies to), Narcotics, Vice, Street Crimes, Hot Spots, Auto Theft, Gang units and other units that target felony crimes and high risk warrant service employing advanced gear, training, and tactics for their specific areas. And thats just to name a few of the divisions that would target one specific area that SWAT teams used to include in their broad spectrum.


The real need for SWAT/SRT for the forseeable future will be of course barricaded suspects and hostage rescue...two HIGHLY specialized types of "missions" that require hours of training each month to even qualify a team to even consider undertaking such endeavor, let alone actually doing it.